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Porsche chief's disdain for America
The American Thinker ^ | 10-11-06 | Thomas Lifson

Posted on 10/11/2006 4:15:03 AM PDT by Renfield

Davids Medienkritik discovered deep condescension toward America from a German executive whose company makes most of its money here. Porsche CEO Wendelin Wiedeking defends the German “social model” of capitalism, and implies that we Americans are barely out of the backwoods with our rifles.

Europe’s culture is decidedly older than that of the USA. The Fuggers were doing business, while hunting was still the order of the day in America. Right now 37 million people in the USA live below the poverty line. The gulf between poor and rich has widened brutally. Do we want to have a situation like that in Europe and particularly in Germany?

Why would anyone buy an expensive car from a company whose head looks down on him?

I wonder what Herr Wiedeking has to say about the Japanese after a beers?


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Germany
KEYWORDS: antigerman; arrogance; euroirrelavance; eurotrash; eurotwits; germany; porsche; thehunsarecomming
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From David's Medienkritik ( http://medienkritik.typepad.com/blog/2006/10/porsche_ceo_exp.html ) Porsche CEO Expresses Prejudices Against America Prejudices against America are common among German elites in politics, business and the media. America is considered a country devoid of culture, with a capitalistic economic system that shows no regard for “social values”.

So it’s not surprising to hear a CEO of a major German company repeat such trash.

What is surprising, though, is the fact that this CEO heads a company deriving most of its sales and profits from catering to the rich in – America. The name of the company is Porsche, and the CEO is Wendelin Wiedeking. He had this to say about America in an interview with the German weekly SPIEGEL (Issue 39-2006):

SPIEGEL: Are you promoting the idea that the old German economic system with its social market economy, which is increasingly giving way to the Anglo-American, should be retained?

Wiedeking: We mustn’t copy one to one everything that works in the Anglo-American realm, particularly since we have proof delivered over the centuries that our idea about economies works too. We have a tradition. Europe’s culture is decidedly older than that of the USA. The Fuggers were doing business, while hunting was still the order of the day in America. Right now 37 million people in the USA live below the poverty line. The gulf between poor and rich has widened brutally. Do we want to have a situation like that in Europe and particularly in Germany? (Translation of quote by Richard Bartholomew) (For original German quote see below)

May I pose a question of my own: why would Americans buy one of the world's most hedonistic and expensive products from a foreign company whose CEO thinks, and frankly states, that America's culture is inferior to Europe’s and who accuses the American economic system of producing millions of poor people at an ever increasing rate? (And I didn't even mention Porsche's Nazi past...)

What’s your opinion American Porsche owners?

1 posted on 10/11/2006 4:15:04 AM PDT by Renfield
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To: Renfield

Royal european inbreeding will make people think like that...


2 posted on 10/11/2006 4:18:35 AM PDT by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: Renfield

The amazing thing is the poor here are wealthier than the middle class in most of Europe.


3 posted on 10/11/2006 4:19:38 AM PDT by DB ()
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To: Renfield

The new GT3 sure is nice.

But for those who can't afforded it (like me) the Honda S2000 offers a spectacular sports car experience and Honda quality for a mere 30K


4 posted on 10/11/2006 4:20:09 AM PDT by ElTiante
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To: ElTiante

I'll take my Audi S4 Cabrio any day


5 posted on 10/11/2006 4:22:33 AM PDT by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: Renfield
Porsche chief's disdain for America

Can't hold a candle to my disdain for all things German. Well, secular German.

6 posted on 10/11/2006 4:22:41 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (* nuke * the * jihad *)
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To: xcamel

I'm sure it nice, but it's not a sports car.


7 posted on 10/11/2006 4:23:28 AM PDT by ElTiante
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To: DB

Not really. I work with the truly poor here as part of a faith-based construction mission. Many folks here in the US really are quite poor. That does not make them miserable, however. And it does not make 37 million people destitute.

Some are miserable, some are destitute.

Poor in America can be brutal, but where one draws the poverty line IS a matter of perspective.

Perhaps (perhaps) 1/2 of the folks below our poverty line are on par with European middle class, but certainly not all.


8 posted on 10/11/2006 4:25:26 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: DB

I always like to ask uppity Europeans and their admirers here in the US if they'd like us to have a robust European economy too? The European economic situation is pitiful in comparison.

Here is a good comparison of the EU versus the US economies.
http://www.timbro.com/euvsusa/

Here is a quote from the study:

" If the European Union were a state in the USA it would belong to the poorest group of states. France, Italy, Great Britain and Germany have lower GDP per capita than all but four of the states in the United States. In fact, GDP per capita is lower in the vast majority of the EU-countries (EU 15) than in most of the individual American states. This puts Europeans at a level of prosperity on par with states such as Arkansas, Mississippi and West Virginia. Only the miniscule country of Luxembourg has higher per capita GDP than the average state in the USA. The results of the new study represent a grave critique of European economic policy."


9 posted on 10/11/2006 4:26:35 AM PDT by Maelstorm (The one thing that is certain about politics is that nothing is certain.)
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To: Renfield
BTW, our neighbors two doors down are native Germans. They came to the US with those very attitudes. They loved Clinton, thought Americans were boorish, fun cowboys.

10 years later he/she loves the US, understands why 9/11 motivates us so, understands our foreign policy reasoning, believes in the war on terror, supports capitalism and Bush, etc etc ... owns a 1956 Ford pickup

... and three Porsches.

This Porsche CEO believes all this about US cuz he is trained and MEDIA'd to do so.

Porsche NA is HQ'd in Atlanta. HE should spend more time here.

Bis spater.
10 posted on 10/11/2006 4:30:56 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: DB
The amazing thing is the poor here are wealthier than the middle class in most of Europe.

What is also amazing is that we measure poverty based upon household income, and that does not include the value of government subsidies such as food stamps, school lunch, aid to dependent children, earned income credit, medicare, disability payments, and the fair market value of government and subsized housing. If I recall correctly, Germany includes all the government freebies in calculating the number of people living below the poverty level.

11 posted on 10/11/2006 4:31:13 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: the invisib1e hand

"...Can't hold a candle to my disdain for all things German. Well, secular German...."

Bavarian wheat beer is wonderul. Must give them credit for that.


12 posted on 10/11/2006 4:32:18 AM PDT by Renfield
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To: Renfield
Right now 37 million people in the USA live below the poverty line. The gulf between poor and rich has widened brutally.

The Poverty Line is an invention of the United States Department of Agriculture. It does not apply to Germany, obviously. Germany does not have anybody below the Poverty Line, because there is no such thing as a German Poverty Line.

It would be interesting to compare the economic condition of the American poor with the German poor, but nobody bothers to do that. They just use our government-generated statistics to create sound bites to reinforce their own ignorance.

As for the brutal widening of the gap between rich and poor, what does that have to do with the plight of the poor? The fact of the matter is that the US poor are better off, by every conceivable measure, year after year. Their income, standard of living, and employment prospects continue to improve, while Germany and the rest of Europe stagnates.

People who complain about the gap between the rich and the poor are really complaining that the rich are too rich. Well, if being too rich is a problem, it is a problem I would like to have. Truth be told, good economic conditions make some folks very rich, but they make everybody better off. Whining about the gap between the extremes of rich and poor is just a poor attempt to find a negative in what is an altogether positive thing.

But it should not surprise us when ignorant Europeans parrot these idiotic talking points. They have been a staple of the US Democrat Party for the last 25 years. If all you did was listen to Democrat politicians and watch American television, you could easily get this mistaken impression.

13 posted on 10/11/2006 4:33:13 AM PDT by gridlock (The 'Pubbies will pick up at least TWO seats in the Senate and FOUR seats in the House in 2006)
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To: Renfield

Have disdain for this.

14 posted on 10/11/2006 4:34:04 AM PDT by SIDENET (I like liberals...they taste like CHICKEN.)
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To: Blueflag

See post #9.


15 posted on 10/11/2006 4:34:08 AM PDT by DB ()
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To: Blueflag

Poor people in the US are poor because of choices THEY MADE. They chose to use drugs, have children at 16, drop out of high school, whatever.


16 posted on 10/11/2006 4:34:45 AM PDT by Pete98 (After his defeat by the Son of God, Satan changed his name to Allah and started over.)
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To: DB

"The amazing thing is the poor here are wealthier than the middle class in most of Europe".




Yes exactly. And German sports an approximate unemployment rate of 12%.
So whom was more advanced than whom when that German thug was trying to take over the world??
Us here rednecks with our shotguns whupped ur arses.


17 posted on 10/11/2006 4:36:07 AM PDT by CommieCutter
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To: Renfield

When you make a product as capable and well built as Porsche it doesn't really matter what you say. It ain't going to affect sales one iota. The car does the talking.

Besides compare the corporate health of GM or Ford with BMW or Porsche..


18 posted on 10/11/2006 4:36:24 AM PDT by Dave Elias
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To: gridlock

Excellent thoughts


19 posted on 10/11/2006 4:37:21 AM PDT by Kimmers
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To: Renfield

Comment? In a word, 1973 911E Targa fully optioned for $13,800. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt, wore it, sold it. Socio-economics are clearly beyond this guy's grasp.


20 posted on 10/11/2006 4:37:33 AM PDT by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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To: Renfield

I have always made it a rule to never pay attention to what guys named "Wendelin" have to say.


21 posted on 10/11/2006 4:38:20 AM PDT by GnL
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To: Labyrinthos
It is worse than that. It literally looks at income only. You can own a half million dollar home free and clear and be counted as under the poverty line even though you don't have the expenses of making payments or rent.
22 posted on 10/11/2006 4:38:27 AM PDT by DB ()
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To: Renfield

Not as good as English real ale however..


23 posted on 10/11/2006 4:38:32 AM PDT by Dave Elias
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To: CommieCutter

Germany leads the world in prostitution and toys.


24 posted on 10/11/2006 4:39:51 AM PDT by battlegearboat
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To: xcamel

My 2001 Chrysler Sebring convertible will do.


25 posted on 10/11/2006 4:40:43 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: SIDENET
We do not need Porsche...

American men with embarrassingly small penises can compensate with good ol' American Iron

BTW, have you ever wondered why sports cars are such an obsession in Germany?

26 posted on 10/11/2006 4:41:10 AM PDT by gridlock (The 'Pubbies will pick up at least TWO seats in the Senate and FOUR seats in the House in 2006)
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To: Renfield
from Wikipedia:

.....The life of Ferry Porsche was intimately related to his father, Ferdinand Porsche senior, who taught his son all of his technical knowledge since his childhood. Father and son opened a bureau of automobile design, at Stuttgart in 1931.

Almost immediately, they worked together to fill their country's National Socialist regime's needs and they met Adolf Hitler at many business events. The Volkswagen Beetle was designed by Ferdinand Porsche senior and a team of engineers (that included Ferry Porsche).

After World War II, while the senior Porsche remained imprisoned in France being accused as a criminal of war....

27 posted on 10/11/2006 4:41:44 AM PDT by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Renfield
The Fuggers were doing business, while hunting was still the order of the day in America.

Fuggers all right. (??? I guess I have to look it up)

28 posted on 10/11/2006 4:43:32 AM PDT by beckaz (Deport, deport. deport.)
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To: Renfield
This story reminds me of an old comparison; "What the difference between a Porsche and a Porcupine? A Porcupine keeps it's pricks on the outside." I have never driven a Porsche 911, but have always wanted to more than any other car.
29 posted on 10/11/2006 4:43:38 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Renfield
Right now 37 million people in the USA live below the poverty line.

I love it when the "poverty line" is usedas a political tool. You see, the so-called poverty line is an arbitrary line drawn by politicians and social engineers to promote an agenda.

That so-called poverty line is raised every so often to make certain that a certain percentage can register as "below" and give a continuing reason for social programs.

My in-laws raised two children on what was, at the time, well below poverty line income. Yet they never wanted for necessitites, and actually had more than many of my students today who live in homes with a comparible income level.

The whole "poverty" BS comes from someonen's opinion of what is "necessary".

It is all about priorities. And when an arbitrary figure representing the "poverty line" is thrown out, I get rather perturbed by it.

But as I will likely never be able to afford a Porsche automobile, I guess I too should be classified as below the "poverty line"...

30 posted on 10/11/2006 4:46:36 AM PDT by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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To: gridlock

Viper is great for a Circus clown who typically drive cars that fall to bits as they drive around.


31 posted on 10/11/2006 4:47:09 AM PDT by Dave Elias
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To: DB

Wendelin is a liar. He's trying to keep the acceptance of the political streams that carry him.

If you'd be a CEO of a company like Porsche you'd lie and do politics as well. That's the job.

Beeing poor in france or in germany nevertheless will not really bite you. Of course it's a difference if you're poor in montana's country side or Detroit - but if I was an uneducated social drop out - I'd prefer Germany over the US any time especially if I had kids to bring up.


32 posted on 10/11/2006 4:48:04 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: gridlock

because they sell so good in the US :)


33 posted on 10/11/2006 4:48:42 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: battlegearboat
Germany leads the world in prostitution and toys

and the fat slob men with their underage young boys (Pattaya, Thailand).

34 posted on 10/11/2006 4:49:18 AM PDT by American in Singapore
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To: beckaz

That ! ...can't be of harm.


35 posted on 10/11/2006 4:49:43 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: Renfield
...we Americans are barely out of the backwoods with our rifles

I'd rather have a Humvee...and keep my rifle, thanks.

36 posted on 10/11/2006 4:51:23 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Renfield

Not sure I care what this kraut thinks.


37 posted on 10/11/2006 4:51:28 AM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: Blueflag

Europe, especially Germany has a huge amount of poor. It is amazing how they pretend poverty does not exist in their own nations, when it is painfully obvious. Our numbers and living standard are much higher than Germany's.


38 posted on 10/11/2006 4:53:08 AM PDT by gafusa
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To: beckaz
Fugger (fʊg'ər) , German family of merchant princes. The foundation of their wealth was laid by Hans Fugger, allegedly a weaver, who moved to Augsburg in 1367. His descendants built up the family fortune by trade and banking. With Jacob Fugger II, 1459–1525, called Jacob the Rich, the house entered its zenith. It owned extensive real estate, merchant fleets, and palatial establishments throughout Europe. Jacob's fortune was largely built on a virtual monopoly in the mining and trading of silver, copper, and mercury. He lent immense sums to Holy Roman Emperor Maximilian I and helped secure the election (1519) of Charles V as Holy Roman emperor by bribing the electors. Charles ennobled the family and granted them sovereign rights over their lands, including that of coining their own money. Then the richest family in Europe, the Fuggers were generous patrons of the arts and learning and philanthropists, notably at Augsburg, their residence. Under Raimund Fugger, 1489–1535, and Anton Fugger, 1493–1560, the house reached the limits of its power and fortune. Its decline paralleled that of the Hapsburgs, whose wars the Fuggers financed. Several descendants were prominent, but, except for some real estate, little is left of the once fabulous wealth.

bunch of Mother Fuggers if ya ask me??

39 posted on 10/11/2006 4:56:35 AM PDT by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Rummenigge
"I'd prefer Germany over the US any time especially if I had kids to bring up."

Not me.

I want my kids to have opportunities, to be all they can be. That's definitely not Germany. In addition there's more to life than basic creature comforts. There's well being in doing a good job, in providing for oneself. German socialism robs people of that. There's a reason why Germans don't have children.
40 posted on 10/11/2006 4:57:19 AM PDT by DB ()
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To: Renfield

"...and who accuses the American economic system of producing millions of poor people at an ever increasing rate?"

Of course, there is no reason for Wiedeking to sell cars in the U.S. considering the fact that his country's socialistic system has eliminated poverty and everyone -- EVERYONE -- can afford to buy his cars.


41 posted on 10/11/2006 4:58:21 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: Renfield

Yeah it's really bad over here, you Germans wouldn't like it so you should probably keep away.


42 posted on 10/11/2006 4:58:40 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Man defiles a rock when he chips it with a tool. Ex 20:25)
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To: Renfield
Bavarian wheat beer is wonderul. Must give them credit for that.

There are a lot of great things German. There is a particular girl, for example...

I always wrestle with this. Some things about Germany are positively sickening, not including the reality of the Holocaust, which words can't begin to describe.

But some things are great, as well. So I'm always torn between making sweeping, dismissing remarks and then having to concede the dichotomy.

Notwithstanding, I am Catholic and I love the Pope, who is living proof that even Germany is redeemable in God's hands.

43 posted on 10/11/2006 4:58:49 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (* nuke * the * jihad *)
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To: Renfield

I love how some Europeans extol their venerable culture, as if they had anything to do with it.


44 posted on 10/11/2006 4:59:07 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Renfield

Why go to Germany to find these guys? We've got plenty of them here. For example: Ted Turner. In fact, virtually every American media figure.


45 posted on 10/11/2006 4:59:43 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Renfield
Americans were free almost two centuries before Germans. Also, American culture is European (Anglo-Saxon base) plus, sort of the new improved model.

Social Values=socialism=stagnation=high unemployment=high taxes.

Germans are not replacing themselves.
Without change, Germany, as well and much of Europe is dying, while Muslims are replacing them.

Porsche has great cars if you like driving 150MPH (can't do that on the interstate), but not very practical for a family car.
46 posted on 10/11/2006 4:59:45 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: Renfield

I suppose the DUmmies fill up their Porshe's at Citgo.


47 posted on 10/11/2006 5:01:15 AM PDT by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Renfield

Jealousy is a dangerous thing.


48 posted on 10/11/2006 5:01:57 AM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: Dave Elias

I concur, and further can add the pleasure I have at my family reunions of beating my liberal, West Coast brother-in-law over the head with the fact that my '99 911 Carerra is an ECONOMY car (32 mpg highway)! Of course, not the way I drive it.


49 posted on 10/11/2006 5:07:43 AM PDT by T. Rustin Noone (The reason I'm single is I never get involved with people who have more problems than I do)
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To: Blueflag

And still that says little because of the vast difference of what a middle class in europe looks like (Difference Poland/Norway as an example)

There's certainly still a big gap between european countries. (Norway is cited to have the highest standard of life throughout the world - USA is 10th, germany 20th (darn reunification))


50 posted on 10/11/2006 5:11:08 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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