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To: BearArms
On this point the question is, why don't the social conservatives favor a total ban, not only on private embryonic stem cell research, but on all private scientific or fertility treatment related uses of human embryos that result in the destruction or discarding of such embryos? If these embryos are human persons as valuable as you or I, why don't social conservatives believe they are deserving of legal protection?

Pro-lifers generally would support such a ban... but with abortion available up until birth, protecting embryos is not even close to being on the table right now. So it doesn't constitute a wedge issue.

But many social conservatives support sodomy laws, which prohibit gay sex, as well as many forms of heterosexual sex.

I would say that very few social conservatives care much for sodomy laws. Many criticized the Lawrence vs. Texas decision, for instance, not out of a desire for sodomy laws so much as disgust over the judicial intrusion of one's sexual likes and dislikes into the Constitution.

Many also support government crusades against adult pornography, strip clubs, sex toys, and "indecent" television and radio programs. These positions are directly contrary to the libertarian sensibilities that tend to predominate among economic conservatives.

Most are only interested in protecting children from inadvertent exposure to these things, for the same reason that we have laws against walking down the street nude. Almost nobody cares what you do in your house.

11 posted on 10/13/2006 12:54:35 PM PDT by Sloth ('It Takes A Village' is problematic when you're raising your child in Sodom.)
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To: Sloth
Pro-lifers generally would support such a ban... but with abortion available up until birth, protecting embryos is not even close to being on the table right now. So it doesn't constitute a wedge issue.

On the contrary, banning abortion is what's currently not on the table due to Roe V. Wade. There is no constitutional right to use human embryos in experimentation, however. A ban on such experimentation would very likely be upheld in the courts, since it would not conflict with the legal rights of another human being, as an abortion ban would. Yet, we hear nothing from pro-life groups about this issue.

I would say that very few social conservatives care much for sodomy laws. Many criticized the Lawrence vs. Texas decision, for instance, not out of a desire for sodomy laws so much as disgust over the judicial intrusion of one's sexual likes and dislikes into the Constitution.

You may not support sodomy laws (if so, good for you). However, many religious right groups support them quite vigorously. Just one example would be the debate in Arizona a few years ago over whether to repeal that state's sodomy law. Religious conservatives mobilized in an attempt to defeat the repeal.

Most are only interested in protecting children from inadvertent exposure to these things, for the same reason that we have laws against walking down the street nude. Almost nobody cares what you do in your house.

No, it's not about protecting the children. Children can't patronize a strip club or rent a porn video. There are groups on the religious right who's primary mission is to close these businesses down.

You sound like you're not a hardcore social conservative. If so, I congratulate you for respecting the right of other adults to live as they please. However, don't try to excuse those who really do wish to use the power of the state to crush lifestyles they consider sinful. I can assure you they do exist and they're disturbingly influential.

12 posted on 10/13/2006 1:35:05 PM PDT by BearArms
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