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Are the Democrats Whigging Out? (*snort*)
The American Thinker ^ | 10/13/2006 | J. Peter Mulhern

Posted on 10/13/2006 6:04:27 AM PDT by Dark Skies

Predicting what will happen if the Democrats win control in one or both houses of Congress next month is a burgeoning cottage industry. It is, however, both more interesting and probably more useful to consider what will happen if they don’t.

If Democrats win they will crow and bray and make nuisances of themselves with frivolous, ankle-biting investigations. They may even connive with the White House and some foolish Republican legislators to enact “comprehensive immigration reform.” If they do, the principal effect will be to turn our illegal immigration problem into a crisis, creating a major political opportunity for the next generation of GOP leaders. Aside from that, very little will change.

Democrats are too conflicted and too politically timid to force any significant change in the Bush administration’s foreign and defense policies. They frittered away their dominant position in American politics by procuring the Ford administration’s surrender in Vietnam. Ever since, they have been crippled by the widespread (and entirely accurate) perception that they are not to be trusted with our national security. They may belong, body and soul, to the lunatic left, but most of them are not about to step over the same cliff twice.

In any case, having stepped over that cliff in the 70’s, the Democrats are very unlikely to win either house of Congress in 2006. The American people may loathe the Republican Party every bit as much as the Washington Post thinks they do, but nothing in our history suggests that a majority of American voters is crazy enough to trust Democrats with significant power during a war.

The headlines of the moment are orchestrated to create the appearance that a Democrat restoration is at hand. After the news industry has prepared them for victory in the run up to three consecutive electoral defeats, the Democrats should be wary. Many, probably most, of them are not. They have made the mistake of believing their own propaganda yet again.

In the likely event that Democrats wake up on the Wednesday after the first Tuesday in November and find that the federal government is firmly in Republican hands for another two years how will they react? After licking their wounds by dabbling in deranged conspiracy theories about election fraud, they will fall to fighting among themselves like starving sled dogs. There will be casualties. Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid will all have trouble keeping their jobs in the wake of yet another failure.

In the ensuing succession struggles the deep divisions in the Democrat Party will be laid bare. Some Democrats will claim that the party must take the war more seriously and appear more moderate to win. Others will argue that the party must be true to its ideological roots on the far left so that it may win a majority by the power of passion and persuasion. Neither side of this debate will grasp the true nature of the Democrat dilemma.

The would-be moderates don’t understand that Democrats can’t win without the left. The ideological purists don’t understand that Democrats can’t win with it.

If the Democrats ceased to be the leftist party they would lose their all-important propaganda apparatus in the heirloom media. They would lose all their intellectual firepower (such as it is) in the universities and all the cachet of Hollywood. Their fundraising base would disappear. They would become a me-too party relegated to winning elections in most of the country only when the Republican candidate got caught in bed with either a live boy or a dead girl.

As essential as the left is to Democrats, it can’t muster anything approaching a nationwide majority. This is hardly surprising. The left is anti-American and most Americans aren’t.

The left is defined by it’s loyalty to a trans-national ideal. Nation states in general and the United States in particular are obstacles to the realization of that ideal. Whenever the interests of the United States and the ideological purposes of the left conflict, which is often, American leftists work against their own country.

Consider, for example, the grotesque foolishness of Kyoto and the left’s determined efforts to undermine our ongoing war for national survival. Even the dimmest voter can smell the contempt leftists have for ordinary people and for everything they hold dear. The more voters understand that Democrats are the political wing of the American left, the fewer votes they will cast for Democrats.

Professional Democrats have tried for years to have their cake and eat it too. They have tried to keep the loyalty of the left without getting identified with it. That worked during the ersatz peace of the Clinton years when they were still winning, at least sometimes.

The pressure of war and defeat has made it much more difficult for Democrats to have it both ways. They have tried desperately to straddle the divide between those who want to defend America from our deadly enemies and those who don’t. John Kerry made an ass out of himself trying to bridge that gap and then discovered that Americans don’t really want an ass in the White House.

Since Kerry went down in flames, canny Democrats have tried to say very little about the war but to say it as indignantly as possible. They have been in tune with the left’s anger without overtly adopting its politically poisonous defeatism. This tightrope act isn’t likely to work for them any better than Kerry’s contortions did.

After yet another defeat even the Democrats may finally grasp that they can’t have it both ways. They can follow Joe Lieberman’s path and stand for American interests at the price of parting ways with about half their voters. They can also follow Ned Lamont and stand up for the left at the price of losing the other half. Either choice would mean that the Democrat Party could no longer seriously contend for a share of power in national elections.

This isn’t the first time a major American political party has been closely divided over a defining issue. The Democrats’ dilemma in 2006 looks a lot like the Whigs’ dilemma in 1852. The Whigs depended on support from both slave holders and abolitionists. They tried to straddle the slavery issue but they couldn’t. Their party broke apart and disappeared.

The Democrats have much deeper roots than the Whigs, who lasted only 24 years. They are likely to linger in some form for quite some time. But one more unexpected defeat just might tear them apart and prompt a dramatic political realignment.

At some level, Democrats seem aware of this danger. They are fighting the 2006 campaign like the existential struggle which, for them, it may very well be. It smacks of desperation, to choose an example at random, when the party of pederasty attacks Republicans for failing to condemn a homosexual congressman in advance of any evidence that he did anything wrong.

The political game has never been a better spectator sport and the stakes have rarely been higher.

J. Peter Mulhern is an attorney in the Washington, DC area.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: democrats; election; pelosi; reid; whigs
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1 posted on 10/13/2006 6:04:27 AM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: Dark Skies

I was just about to post this! I've been thinking along these lines for some time.


2 posted on 10/13/2006 6:09:04 AM PDT by Renfield
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To: Dark Skies
The entrance of the Clintons onto the national stage and the redistricting/gerrymandering of Congressional districts in the early 90's that gave whiney black congressmen incredibly safe districts was the perfect storm that killed the democrat party.
3 posted on 10/13/2006 6:09:48 AM PDT by Crawdad (My kingdom for a real conservative without a conscience.)
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To: Dark Skies

bump for later


4 posted on 10/13/2006 6:10:24 AM PDT by RayStacy
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To: Renfield
Music to my ears!

In the likely event that Democrats wake up on the Wednesday after the first Tuesday in November and find that the federal government is firmly in Republican hands for another two years how will they react? After licking their wounds by dabbling in deranged conspiracy theories about election fraud, they will fall to fighting among themselves like starving sled dogs. There will be casualties. Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid will all have trouble keeping their jobs in the wake of yet another failure.

5 posted on 10/13/2006 6:11:39 AM PDT by Dark Skies (Allah sez "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.")
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To: Dark Skies

hows about this one:

"wanna drag the country into yet another bitter, partisan impeachment? - Vote Democrat!"


6 posted on 10/13/2006 6:14:45 AM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you)
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To: Renfield
Cogent summary of the Dem dilemma. From his lips to God's ears!
7 posted on 10/13/2006 6:15:10 AM PDT by Panzerlied ("We shall never surrender!")
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To: Dark Skies
Predicting what will happen if the Democrats win control in one or both houses of Congress next month is a burgeoning cottage industry.

Frankly, a no-brainer. Buffett, Soros, Pickens, and other frat bros. will get their lapdogs to:

IMPEACH!

Pubbies a little slow to grasp that????

8 posted on 10/13/2006 6:15:28 AM PDT by 100-Fold_Return (They Took My Saddle in Houston, Broke My Leg in Sante Fe, Lost Wife + Girlfriend)
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To: Dark Skies

I am going to invest in hankies. There will be a lot of moonbat tears on November 7th.


9 posted on 10/13/2006 6:22:42 AM PDT by YdontUleaveLibs (Reason is out to lunch. How may I help you?)
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To: Dark Skies

Like serpent head said, if dimokkkrats cant win this election, they need to fold their tents and go home. Fact is, they cant win, that is, unless Republicans dont turn out.They know it. Thats why they dont talk issues, they just complain about Bush. No answers, just bitching. Hoping to discourage Republicans from going to the polls.

If Republicans turn out, dimokkkrats will lose, and we can drive a stake thru the dark heart of this immoral, anti American bunch of bastards. Let's do it!


10 posted on 10/13/2006 6:28:34 AM PDT by weezel
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To: Dark Skies
Democrats in Florida are running as conservatives. Every TV ad claims they are "pro-life, pro-gun, pro-defense". They KNOW they have a boat anchor tied to their ankles pulling them down and are desperate to fool voters.
11 posted on 10/13/2006 6:30:54 AM PDT by PogySailor (Media bias? What media bias?)
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To: YdontUleaveLibs
I am going to invest in hankies. There will be a lot of moonbat tears on November 7th.

Make sure you get the organically grown hemp kind. ;^)

12 posted on 10/13/2006 6:31:31 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: Dark Skies
By 2012 the RATS will be fighting with Gang-Green for minority control.
13 posted on 10/13/2006 6:32:00 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Demonrats want the Gays out of Congress.....stand back and let them purge their base.)
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To: Dark Skies

If the Republicans keep Congress, watch for Howard Dean to be ousted as DNC chairman and very likely we could see an early retirement for Senator Harry Reid. Repressenatitive Nanci Pelosi may survive, but who knows for how long.


14 posted on 10/13/2006 6:35:45 AM PDT by RayChuang88
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To: Dark Skies
"This isn’t the first time a major American political party has been closely divided over a defining issue. The Democrats’ dilemma in 2006 looks a lot like the Whigs’ dilemma in 1852. The Whigs depended on support from both slave holders and abolitionists. They tried to straddle the slavery issue but they couldn’t. Their party broke apart and disappeared."

I have wondered about this for some time. What will take the place of the Democrats? The demographics are against them. The facts are against them. They have no real possibility of outside support (with the possible exception of China). All that they really have is the slowly dying MSM.
15 posted on 10/13/2006 6:38:52 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Dark Skies

>>>"They have made the mistake of believing their own propaganda yet again.">>>

I just love that line!


16 posted on 10/13/2006 6:41:14 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: RayChuang88
It will also mean that the Clintons will have full control then (as much as full control you can have in that party).
17 posted on 10/13/2006 6:42:49 AM PDT by 103198
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To: Dark Skies
This election is really a no-lose situation, as far as I'm concerned. The possibilites:
1) the Dems fail to grab either House, and thereby look utterly incompetent and impotent.
2) the Dems take one House, and their impeachment and other inane efforts are countered before they even leave Congress, making them look petty and impotent.
3) They win both Houses, and the GOP finally gets their wake-up call. The expected impeachment calls will be seen for the childish revenge that they are, and they will turn off about 10% of the electorate, which opens up an easier path to vicotry for some GOP candidate in 2008. Meanwhile, the GOP might actually figure out that we really mean it when we say we want lower federal budgets, border security, and politically incorrect leadership, in addition to the strong(-ish) foreign policies they've been trying to maintain.
18 posted on 10/13/2006 6:43:17 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: marktwain
Someone will replace them but whoever it is needs to identify the vacuum of leadership in this country and step into it.

IMO, that vacuum exists to the right of President Bush...not to the left.

19 posted on 10/13/2006 6:50:45 AM PDT by Dark Skies (Allah sez "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.")
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To: Dark Skies

OH, I would love for this to be right!


20 posted on 10/13/2006 6:50:59 AM PDT by soccermom
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To: Dark Skies

The dims will learn nothing if they fail to gain control of the house or senate. Their SOP is political opportunism, that's all they really stand for anymore.


21 posted on 10/13/2006 6:56:07 AM PDT by Brett66 (Where government advances and it advances relentlessly freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Dark Skies
One thing I think is that if the dems lose their bid to take Congress, it's time for new dem leadership as the Pelosi and Reid ships aren't bringing them where they want to go.

I also think, win or lose, it's time for new GOP leadership in Congress. Frist is gone anyway, and Hastert's rotten leadership helped bring the GOP to the brink of losing it all. The GOP gets new leadership, also.
22 posted on 10/13/2006 6:58:49 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do succeed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: marktwain
What will take the place of the Democrats?


This is simple, the Republicans will move to the left, and a new party will form on the right.

I am a Republican because it is the only balance to the Democrats. Once I am sure the Democrats are no longer a major polictical party, I will find a home in a party that is to the right of the current Republican party.

23 posted on 10/13/2006 7:05:34 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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To: Dark Skies

Mulhern published some of the most insightful pieces about the Clinton impeachment, most of which turned out to be accurate, that I can recall. He doesn't publish much---probably because he's busy actually making money---but he's dead on. The Dems are resembling, more and more, the Federalist Party in 1814, with nowhere to go but into a million little pieces.


24 posted on 10/13/2006 7:17:08 AM PDT by LS
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To: Crawdad

Good point, but Mulhern rightly argues that the stage was set before that with the opposition to Vietnam, wherein the Dems lost their ability to defend the country.


25 posted on 10/13/2006 7:17:54 AM PDT by LS
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To: Dark Skies

There is a lesson here for all of us. To have ideals, to have principles are good. But to put these ideals and principles ahead of all else is bad (in the sense it will keep you from winning elections).

The vast majority of Amerian voters view themselves as being in the middle. They are afraid of both the hard left and the hard right.

When one extreme takes over a political party, they will lose many voters in the middle. This is the danger of those with "one issue" voters. You either believe everything I do, or I will not vote for you.

Polictics is compromise. You want to win elections, convince voters your ideas are not "crazy", convert them to your view.

The Democrats could win this year if they had not fallen under the influence of the far left. If after 9/11 they had fallen behind the President, quit the constant attack on him and his administration, support the war effort, they could be heading towards control of both houses next month.

But "purity" has won over common sense. The desire to destroy President Bush, and fight him on everything, while not offering any alternative, does not give the voters any choice.

They will win the purity vote from the far left. But will they will the average American in the middle support them?

The Democrats claim they never get their "message" out, but I suspect most know what the Democrats stand for. Income distribution via higher taxes, Special rights for the correct minorities, no support for the military, in fact they will "cut and run", abotion on demand, and the destruction of all "middle class values".

If you support those things, you will vote for the Democrats, if not, Republican.


26 posted on 10/13/2006 7:28:55 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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To: Renfield

One possible outcome may be RINOs on one side and conservatives on the other. The Libs and Rinos will team up because the RINOs are just libs pretending to be for the people.


27 posted on 10/13/2006 7:35:08 AM PDT by gr8eman (Everybody is a rocket scientist...until launch day!)
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To: Renfield; All

Rush prompted this new thinking: What if the dems lose? a couple of days ago. I think there's still something up on his website about it. It was a great monologue.

But this one statement is a highlight for me: "They [the dems] have made the mistake of believing their own propaganda yet again." Some of their propaganda is based on a 11-16% over-weighting of dems in the polling data. This is making it very distorted. But it's asuaging the "kooks" from their party, who foolishly believe it's really true.

This is exactly what the dems did in 2002 and 2004 - remember how Carville put the trashcan on his head when all his predictions ended up in the "trashcan" ..??


28 posted on 10/13/2006 7:41:42 AM PDT by CyberAnt (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: CyberAnt
They ALWAYS hype their chances and whip the media into echoing the Democratic victory dance ahead of time. It serves to sway the opinions and votes of those who truly are not in touch with the issues and current events and simply want to vote with the likely winners, and it sets the stage perfectly for cries of stolen elections if the mirage turns to sand.

The difference with the Democrats is, they actually BELIEVE their own mirage.

29 posted on 10/13/2006 8:18:19 AM PDT by Sender (Error 404: tagline not found)
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To: Renfield

Never underestimate the power of evil, ignorance, hate and silliness when it comes to emotional voters who just hate W and the GOP. 15 seats and 6 seats is not a very huge leap. Still, I would love to see some poll or study which actually shows if the GOP can take any Dem seats!!! Now that would be a news story.


30 posted on 10/13/2006 8:31:58 AM PDT by phillyfanatic
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To: Dark Skies
n the likely event that Democrats wake up on the Wednesday after the first Tuesday in November...

It's actually the first Wednesday after the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November.

31 posted on 10/13/2006 8:45:38 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: RayChuang88
If the Republicans keep Congress, watch for Howard Dean to be ousted as DNC chairman and very likely we could see an early retirement for Senator Harry Reid. Repressenatitive Nanci Pelosi may survive, but who knows for how long.

...and, of course, Charlie Wrangler will resign. </sarcasm>

32 posted on 10/13/2006 8:54:49 AM PDT by Aeronaut (Hebrews 13:4)
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To: Dark Skies
[ They have made the mistake of believing their own propaganda yet again. ]

And THEN Dirty Harry Reid turns up with the October surprise(the land deal)..
That even the MsM can't assume the postion and swallow.. after they have sucked with abandon in the past.. Culture of Corruption indeed.. Nancy(Pelosi) do your duty.. Course; if you do, a few you're OWN deals in Mexifornia may come to light..

33 posted on 10/13/2006 9:06:29 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole.)
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To: Dark Skies
IMO, that vacuum exists to the right of President Bush...not to the left.




My thoughts exactly. The implosion of the Dems gives conservatives a chance to force the GOP to the right or sever ties without fear of handing over the reigns of power to the Dems.
34 posted on 10/13/2006 10:25:30 AM PDT by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: PogySailor

Democrats in Florida are running as conservatives. Every TV ad claims they are "pro-life, pro-gun, pro-defense". They KNOW they have a boat anchor tied to their ankles pulling them down and are desperate to fool voters.

In your estimation, what are their chances of success?

es


35 posted on 10/13/2006 11:49:27 AM PDT by eddiespaghetti ( with the meatball eyes)
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To: Dark Skies
Are the Democrats Whigging Out?

Not since Traficant went to the pokey.

36 posted on 10/13/2006 11:50:32 AM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: Dark Skies
There will be casualties. Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid will all have trouble keeping their jobs in the wake of yet another failure.

I don't suppose they would allow Reid to run the Senate minority party from his prison cell.

Excellent read, BTW. I've been waiting for this kind of analysis.

37 posted on 10/13/2006 11:54:04 AM PDT by JCEccles
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To: Dark Skies

Great article and a brilliant analysis.


38 posted on 10/13/2006 11:59:43 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: CIB-173RDABN
That's patently ridiculous!

The Dem Party will not just fade away; it will be replaced and the GOP will still need your support. And a faaaaaaaar right party will NOT have any more of a chance, then, than it does now.

39 posted on 10/13/2006 12:05:44 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: CIB-173RDABN
Re#26,

Several good points.

I would add that Rats have continued to depend on the MSM and DBM to conceal their dilemma and shape opinion against Republicans, and it is working less and less as each day goes by. As you say, the rat message has actually gotten out by the MSM, it's just that the average American can now read between the lines, and has alternative media sources.

40 posted on 10/13/2006 12:18:59 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Striving to obtain liberal victim status.)
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To: Crawdad

Interesting observation.


41 posted on 10/13/2006 12:29:40 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: marktwain
I have wondered about this for some time. What will take the place of the Democrats? The demographics are against them. The facts are against them. They have no real possibility of outside support (with the possible exception of China). All that they really have is the slowly dying MSM.

The only way for Democrats to survive is for the far left to implode. The hard left would have to be disgraced and lose their power in academia, the press and Hollywood. This is not out of the question, but may take a generation to happen. If the far left collapsed, it would allow the people on the left side of the spectrm to act more like sensible liberals who love America and have common sense, more like liberals used to act in the 1950s and early 1960s before they became rabid and radicalized.

42 posted on 10/13/2006 12:35:22 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: nopardons

Polictical parties are not immortal. They can and do "die".

Once the Democrat party is no longer an effective polictical force, there will be a "vacume". The Republicans have grown because many Democrats had lost faith in their party and joined them. These does not mean they embrased the Republican party, they have in fact brought with them many of their own ideas. Which is why the Republican party is moving towards the left.

My point is, there are some like myself who only stay in the Republican party because it is a balance to the Democrat Party. I have no choice. If the Democrat party self destruct, I will find a new home, to the right of the current Republican party.

Can this happen, yes. Will it happen, who knows. But there is no gurantee that the Democrat party will remain a polictical force, and in fact there are signs it is breaking up.


43 posted on 10/13/2006 12:37:39 PM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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To: CIB-173RDABN
"They are afraid of both the hard left and the hard right."

It depends on what you define as "hard right".

I maintain that the "problem" with the republican party is that it isn't conservative enough and by trying to pick up the "middle" they actually lose voters; not to the dims but to regular people who are more conservative than mushy republicans and just don't vote. You can see it in the presidential elections of 1996.

Again, it depends on what you call "hard" but I think Reagan had plenty of hard right ideas as did Newt and the "revolution" of the 90s. Clinton, for all his popularity was marginalized off the get go and won the election only because Bush I, while probably a great guy, doesn't have many conservative bones in his body else he would have gone to the mat with the dims and not gotten rolled into raising taxes. It was only when republicans started going mushy with Dole and then "compassionate" conservatism (I guess plain old conservatism isn't?) and ignoring what they were elected to do (see the party platform) that they really started to slip.

Just a thought.

44 posted on 10/13/2006 12:50:55 PM PDT by Proud_texan
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To: Dark Skies
The two party system is very resilient. Whenever one party takes a policy stand the other party gets the dissenters, and stays in business that way. The Federalists failed because they weren't fully in the party game. They didn't understand that when they lost they had to go looking for support from other quarters. The Whigs collapsed because the expansion of slavery became the crucial issue, and they couldn't remake themselves into either a pro-slavery or an anti-slavery party.

Does globalism really divide the two parties as much as slavery once did? That's doubtful. Of course the Democrats are more oriented towards international organizations in the big picture, but Republicans have also been in favor of Nafta, free trade, and a lax immigration policy. The two parties do approach the question differently, but can we expect the current degree of polarization on foreign policy to become permanent? Or is it more a function of specific current conditions?

What Mulhurn says has more or less been said before, but I don't think it gets at what's going on.The Democrats are having trouble, but it has more to do with the positions they take on social issues, rather than with some big picture economic policy that they have. Nobody expects a party to put every aspect of an ideological program into effect. Rather they vote because they want a little more of this and a little less of that, and they don't trust the party any further than that little bit.

45 posted on 10/13/2006 1:38:44 PM PDT by x
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To: CIB-173RDABN
Yes, while it is true that one, ONE major political party is no longer with us ( the Whigs ), the reason for its collapse was slavery. The majority of Whigs went off to the GOP and the rest ( who were the KNOW NOTHINGS and anti-abolishon ) floundered.

Should the Democrat Party belly up, some would probably become GREENIES, while others would form a new party. This would leave a few to wander around partiless, or join the GOP. But that would NOT mean that some faaaaaaaaar right fringe party would take their place, with the present day GOP becoming the Dem substitute. Your supposed "vacuum" theory is based on a false premise.

This nation is not composed of enough faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar righties to form another party and take over an empty space , once the Dems implode. And in order to actually WIN elections, you need a majority of the voters to vote for one party.

Nope, there simply are NOT enough of your type to pull off what so clearly you desire. And there is no factual evidence , that you can state, which fortifies your grand delusion.

46 posted on 10/13/2006 6:11:44 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Proud_texan
You're forgetting about that idiot Ross Perot and Bob Dole being a bit colorless; not to mention the fact that the MSM still had a much more powerful sway, back then, than they do now.

What got Reagan elected, the first time, was the four hideous years of Carter and the 444 days of American captives in Iran. Please don't try to rewrite historical fact.

47 posted on 10/13/2006 6:16:14 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Perhaps. This is one of those things only time will show who is correct.


48 posted on 10/13/2006 6:35:48 PM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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To: CIB-173RDABN

No "perhaps" about it; I am correct.


49 posted on 10/13/2006 6:42:57 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: soccermom
Oh, me too! I want to see America stick it to the Democrats. I want to wipe the smug expressions right off those damn Bolshevik faces!
50 posted on 10/13/2006 6:47:39 PM PDT by Uncle Vlad (You cannot protect the peoples' civil liberties if you refuse to protect the people.)
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