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Guys should evolve beyond masculinity
SFGate ^ | 10/8/06 | Robert Jensen

Posted on 10/13/2006 1:25:04 PM PDT by SeenTheLights Mom

Men being Men is a Bad Deal. Guys should Evolve Beyond Masculinity. By Robert Jensen

Sunday, October 8, 2006

It's hard to be a man; hard to live up to the demands that come with the dominant conception of masculinity, of the tough guy.

more..http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2006/10/08/ING0FLHO7M1.DTL

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: feministcrap; girliemen; homosexual; liberalism; robertjensen; robertjensenisgay; wuss
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To: SeenTheLights Mom

Maybe I didn't get it. It seemed to me that the guy was preaching against boorish behavior that passes for machismo, not masculinity. No one likes a jerk who's idea of manhood rests in the notion of who's ass he can kick.


151 posted on 10/13/2006 7:57:34 PM PDT by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: SeenTheLights Mom; Army Air Corps; HitmanLV; Alberta's Child; proud_yank; scott7278; Rca2000; ...
From there, the argument that we need to scrap masculinity is fairly simple. To illustrate it, remember back to right after 9/11. A number of commentators argued that criticisms of masculinity should be rethought. Cannot we now see -- recognizing that male firefighters raced into burning buildings, risking and sometimes sacrificing their lives to save others -- that masculinity can encompass a kind of strength that is rooted in caring and sacrifice? Of course men often exhibit such strength, just as do women. So, the obvious question arises: What makes these distinctly masculine characteristics? Are they not simply human characteristics?

The next time a building is on fire with you in it, I wish a 5'0” 80 lbs firefighter woman comes to your rescue. I'm sure you won't diminish her effort and sacrifice to save your butt from the engulfing flames. She might not have the strength of a masculine man, but she possesses the noble human characteristics that will suffice to save you from an imminent death. If in the process she fails, we can all feel proud that men and women are considered equally endowed with comparable traits and characteristics, to the exclusion of important differences.

All jokes aside, I hope masculinity never disappears. Real women like real men, and that means masculine men. I've loved the idea of real men since I was a little girl. No one told me to, it was in my mind and built into my system. Whenever I saw a movie I picked the masculine guy as the guy I liked the most... no wimpies, crybabies, or mama boys, I never liked that.

I don't necessary consider masculine men to be calendar boys with a massive body structure. They are usually gays and they totally turn me off. Sure, a nicely built man is always nice, but more importantly is the way they think, and the way they relate to women. I like guys who are courteous and sweet, as I find that to be totally masculine.

A masculine guy is a man who makes his voice heard, and I don't mean by shouting. He is a man who commands respect, who isn't a henpeck, and who doesn't listen to old ladies tales. Rather, he is able to stand for himself and think for himself. See, effeminate guys love to be around the old biddies for the latest gossip... this reminds me of a hairdresser I had a few years ago who was gay and loved to gossip with the old ladies. A real man doesn't do that.

A masculine man is protective, romantic, and courteous and as the same time tough – he doesn't waffle. My idea of masculine man is Donald Rumsfeld (he's old but he still looks good), Bibi Netanyahu, (I love Bibi.) And from the movies... I was a kid when I saw My Fair Lady and fell in love with Rex Harrison, lol, he could've been my grandfather, but I thought he was beautiful and a manly man. Also, when I saw Christopher Plummer in the Sound of Music, oh wow! John Wayne, Steve McQueen, Humphrey Bogart.

I can't think of an actor roughly my age who is a manly man. Leonardo DiCaprio, yikes! Keanu Reeves, double yikes. If we talk of older ones... Tom Cruise, Ben Affleck, Matt Damon, ughhhhh you got to be kidding me. I think Damon is gay and Tom... well...

See, it's hard to measure up with the old timers.... the truly masculine men. I'm not saying there aren't masculine men nowadays, but God forbid they get swept into the current fagginess so prevalent among the elite class and the pseudo intellectuals.

152 posted on 10/13/2006 8:37:30 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul
John Wayne

Victoria, you just went up a notch in my book.

I can't think of an actor roughly my age who is a manly man. Leonardo DiCaprio, yikes! Keanu Reeves, double yikes. If we talk of older ones... Tom Cruise, Ben Affleck, Matt Damon, ughhhhh you got to be kidding me. I think Damon is gay and Tom... well...

Two, three.... well, many more notches :-)

Great post.
153 posted on 10/13/2006 8:48:02 PM PDT by proud_yank (Socialism - An Answer In Search Of A Question For Over 100 Years)
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To: Victoria Delsoul
A masculine man is protective, romantic, and courteous and as the same time tough – he doesn't waffle. My idea of masculine man is Donald Rumsfeld (he's old but he still looks good), Bibi Netanyahu, (I love Bibi.) and Scott. And from the movies... I was a kid when I saw My Fair Lady and fell in love with Rex Harrison, lol, he could've been my grandfather, but I thought he was beautiful and a manly man. Also, when I saw Christopher Plummer in the Sound of Music, oh wow! John Wayne, Steve McQueen, Humphrey Bogart...

Hee, hee.

154 posted on 10/13/2006 8:49:01 PM PDT by scott7278 (The War on Terror includes defending the homefront from the MSM.)
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To: proud_yank

Great! I feel good now. :-)


155 posted on 10/13/2006 8:49:50 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: scott7278

It's true! LOL


156 posted on 10/13/2006 8:50:19 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul

On a similar note, I love truly feminine women. Women who have a good heart and a good mind and who are a compliment to a man rather than a competitor against a man in a relationship. Also, what the hell happened to fashion models? I look at movies from the 1950s and 1960s and see women who are built like women and not stick-thin, hipless waifs. I would much rather see more women look like Anne Margaret rather than Paris Hilton.


157 posted on 10/13/2006 8:50:48 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Victoria Delsoul

No problem! Your last paragraph was great too. The whole metrosexual thing is pretty annoying.


158 posted on 10/13/2006 8:51:37 PM PDT by proud_yank (Socialism - An Answer In Search Of A Question For Over 100 Years)
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To: Army Air Corps

I totally agree with you. And that's my point, you can see the difference between men and women in the old days.


159 posted on 10/13/2006 8:52:02 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: proud_yank

I can't stand it!


160 posted on 10/13/2006 8:52:31 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Any man in your life is a lucky man indeed.

Hats off.

161 posted on 10/13/2006 8:53:06 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper

Thanks much.


162 posted on 10/13/2006 8:54:36 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: jasoncann
Does anyone else besides me see a resemblance?

Robert Jensen............................George Stephanopoulos

163 posted on 10/13/2006 8:55:09 PM PDT by grey_whiskers
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Holy moley, Victoria -- this has to be one of the best posts I've ever seen on FreeRepublic!

I don't necessary consider masculine men to be calendar boys with a massive body structure. They are usually gays and they totally turn me off.

LOL!!!

164 posted on 10/13/2006 8:57:33 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: gogeo
professor/bisexual/activist/marxist/

The words just flow together, don't they?

165 posted on 10/13/2006 8:58:12 PM PDT by radiohead (Hey Kerry, I'm still here; still hating your lying, stinking, guts you coward.)
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To: Alberta's Child

I guess Friday the 13th works for me, LOL.


166 posted on 10/13/2006 8:58:56 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul
LOL! I completely forgot about that.

That was truly an inspired post.

167 posted on 10/13/2006 9:00:52 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Revolting cat!
+ =

Cheers!

168 posted on 10/13/2006 9:01:05 PM PDT by grey_whiskers
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To: Cobra64

Bush would kick Kerry's ass on a Mountain Bike.

The November 2005 issue of "Mountain Bike" magazine has an article where some of the writers/editors of that mag went mountain biking with Bush.

Resting heart rate in the 50's. He smoked' em.

Cheers!

169 posted on 10/13/2006 9:03:58 PM PDT by grey_whiskers
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To: Alberta's Child
You can say that again, lol. I think so, too.

Well, after reading Jensen's article, it just came easily.

170 posted on 10/13/2006 9:04:53 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Well said! Kudos and thanks for posting these insightful thoughts! I think way too many people are just very unsure of what they want to be in life, and what they want out of life.

One one hand, we have more than ever people saying how strong their self esteem is and how independent they are, and on the other hand we have more people than ever clearly in unhappy situations with their love lives. So much for many folks 'knowing what they want.'

I think being basically honest and realistic with yourself is essential to any kind of fulfillment in life. You have clarity on this issue and that is very rare. Congrats! :-)
171 posted on 10/13/2006 9:05:54 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do succeed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: HitmanLV
Thanks Hit.

I think being basically honest and realistic with yourself is essential to any kind of fulfillment in life. You have clarity on this issue and that is very rare.

You got that right. That's a good point.

172 posted on 10/13/2006 9:07:51 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul

It's true, it's true.


173 posted on 10/13/2006 9:08:25 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do succeed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: HitmanLV

It is.


174 posted on 10/13/2006 9:08:49 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Re: Your post 152...

Thunderous Applause!

Full Disclosure: can you name a male leading actor of yesteryear who sets your heart aflame (or would, if he were that age today...)?

Cheers!

175 posted on 10/13/2006 9:08:52 PM PDT by grey_whiskers
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To: Victoria Delsoul
You can say that again, lol.

OK . . . That was truly an inspired post. ;-)

176 posted on 10/13/2006 9:09:00 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: LibWhacker

Even for a guy that's just nasty. So much muscle that the range of motion is crippled ? Too much.


177 posted on 10/13/2006 9:09:06 PM PDT by Centurion2000 ("Be polite and courteous, but have a plan to KILL everybody you meet.")
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To: grey_whiskers; Victoria Delsoul
Yes, I read your Plummer/Bogart... I was kinda hoping for your take on Sean Connery and/or Cary Grant :-)

Cheers!

178 posted on 10/13/2006 9:10:16 PM PDT by grey_whiskers
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To: Victoria Delsoul

Personally, I blame the hippies (Why not? It isn't as though they are going to stand-up and fight the accusation). All those dudes wearing their hair like women and getting "in touch with mother nature".


179 posted on 10/13/2006 9:10:55 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: grey_whiskers
Thanks much for your comments.

Yeah, and Roger Moore, I think he was great, too.

180 posted on 10/13/2006 9:11:34 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Alberta's Child

LOL, thanks AC.


181 posted on 10/13/2006 9:12:26 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: SeenTheLights Mom
For the author of this drivel

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182 posted on 10/13/2006 9:12:51 PM PDT by Centurion2000 ("Be polite and courteous, but have a plan to KILL everybody you meet.")
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To: SeenTheLights Mom
BOOK: WILD AT HEART (GREAT BOOK!)



Book Description
God designed men to be dangerous, says John Eldredge. Simply look at the dreams and desires written in the heart of every boy: To be a hero, to be a warrior, to live a life of adventure and risk. Sadly, most men abandon those dreams and desires-aided by a Christianity that feels like nothing more than pressure to be a "nice guy." It is no wonder that many men avoid church, and those who go are often passive and bored to death. In this provocative book, Eldredge gives women a look inside the true heart of a man and gives men permission to be what God designed them to be-dangerous, passionate, alive, and free.

183 posted on 10/13/2006 9:13:40 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: Victoria Delsoul

Another thing about modern culture...
What happened to feminine beauty? Women like Raquel Welch could wear a bulky jumpsuit and still be gorgeous because she had confidence that she was beautiful. Today, actresses (and many young women today), for the most part, seem to think that having atrificial enhancements and showing acres of skin are the definition of beauty. A woman's beauty comes from confidence - confidence that she is beautiful.

Also, a woman's beauty comes from her mind and her abilities. For me, I would be seriously "turned-on" by a woman who can discsuss the Austrian school of economics (among other topics) and cook. Heck, I'd walk on coals for a woman who could cook from scratch (a skill that I greatly admire). Also, a woman's beauty comes from having a good heart and, for me, a wickedly-good sense of humour.


184 posted on 10/13/2006 9:21:23 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Army Air Corps
A woman's beauty comes from confidence

That's an excellent point.

Heck, I'd walk on coals for a woman who could cook from scratch (a skill that I greatly admire).

Uh oh, that's not so good... how about frozen dinner? LOL!

185 posted on 10/13/2006 9:26:00 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul

http://www.scott7278.com/FR/thankyou.mp3

Bonus points if you can name the person!


186 posted on 10/13/2006 9:26:21 PM PDT by scott7278 (The War on Terror includes defending the homefront from the MSM.)
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To: Victoria Delsoul

As long as it is hot when it hits the plate...


187 posted on 10/13/2006 9:27:34 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: scott7278

Andy Kaufman.


188 posted on 10/13/2006 9:29:06 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul

My heart flutters... :)


189 posted on 10/13/2006 9:29:36 PM PDT by scott7278 (The War on Terror includes defending the homefront from the MSM.)
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To: Army Air Corps

Whew!!! OK, hahaha.


190 posted on 10/13/2006 9:29:39 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: scott7278; Army Air Corps; proud_yank; Alberta's Child; HitmanLV; All
A song for everybody.

Who's Your Daddy

191 posted on 10/13/2006 9:34:34 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul

One of my favorites! I want the truck from the video!


192 posted on 10/13/2006 9:35:41 PM PDT by scott7278 (The War on Terror includes defending the homefront from the MSM.)
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To: Victoria Delsoul

Oh, boy -- what an appropriate song . . . from the "anti-metrosexual" of country music. LOL!


193 posted on 10/13/2006 9:36:48 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: scott7278
I heard that Freddy Fender isn't doing well. :-(

You'll lose a good thing

194 posted on 10/13/2006 9:39:40 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Alberta's Child

Yes!!!


195 posted on 10/13/2006 9:40:10 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul

Do you have "Should Have Been a Cowboy?"


196 posted on 10/13/2006 9:40:28 PM PDT by scott7278 (The War on Terror includes defending the homefront from the MSM.)
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To: scott7278

Let me check.


197 posted on 10/13/2006 9:40:57 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: scott7278

Uploading right now.


198 posted on 10/13/2006 9:42:01 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: scott7278; Alberta's Child; Army Air Corps; All
You Should Have Been A Cowboy
199 posted on 10/13/2006 9:44:08 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul

http://www.legends1430.com/?sid=393426&nid=53

I got to meet this gentleman today, and he was talking about how nice it was to see young people showing an interest in country music, especially classic country music.


200 posted on 10/13/2006 9:47:05 PM PDT by scott7278 (The War on Terror includes defending the homefront from the MSM.)
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