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Five Years Later, Anthrax Questions Swirl Anew at FBI
Newhouse ^ | October 13, 2006 | Kevin Coughlin

Posted on 10/13/2006 3:46:10 PM PDT by Shermy

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To: EdLake

Someone said....It didn't have to be that good. (Pure)

So why was it???


51 posted on 10/14/2006 4:08:26 PM PDT by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: Battle Axe
Someone said....It didn't have to be that good. (Pure) .. So why was it???

I sort of answered this in another post. But here it is again:

A lot of other people were surprised by the purity because they were expecting something from some biological weapons program.

Such programs concentrate on quantity not quality/purity. They use industrialized processes where purity is a waste of time and money. Dropping a pound of powder that's only 10 percent spores on a soldier will kill him just as dead as an ounce of 100% pure spores, and the production costs for the impure powder are much MUCH less.

"PURE" spores come from a lab. The anthrax mailer didn't HAVE to create a powder of pure anthrax spores. The powder in the media letters was only 10 percent spores; the rest was just debris. Nevertheless, that impure powder harmed more people (12) than the powder made from PURE spores (10), but that's primarily because people took antibiotics to protect themselves from the second mailing. (And it depends upon how you count Kathy Nguyen. If you mistakenly believe that she was killed by the second mailing, then the pure and impure powders hurt the same number of people -- 11 each.)

Why did the anthrax mailer send PURE spores in the second mailing? Apparently he did it because the first mailing had almost no effect. It didn't achieve the intended result. It scared no one. So he created a really scary powder for the second mailing.

Ed

www.anthraxinvestigation.com

52 posted on 10/15/2006 1:15:02 PM PDT by EdLake
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To: Shermy

consistent statements?

Dateline, November 2, 2002. One year after the attacks:
http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/Bioter/fbisecretlyrecreate.html
FBI investigators and federal scientists have been secretly working for months to replicate the type of anthrax used in last year's deadly mail attacks, as part of a previously undisclosed strategy designed to determine precisely how the spores were manufactured, officials said yesterday.
FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III, who revealed the experiments in remarks to reporters here, said that using such "reverse engineering" could help investigators narrow the list of possible suspects.
"We're replicating the way or ways it might be manufactured, but it is not an easy task," Mueller said. "We are going into new territory in some areas."

Dateline September 29, 2003, 2 years after attacks:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-09-29-anthrax_x.htm?POE=click-refer
WASHINGTON — Two years after the nation's deadly anthrax attacks, the FBI still has not been able to re-create the process the killer used to produce the substance sent through the U.S. mail, a top FBI official said Monday.
But Michael Mason, the new assistant director in charge of the FBI's Washington field office, said testing has helped investigators "narrow" some aspects of the investigation and convinced them that the culprit has special expertise.
"We would not have that if reverse engineering had completely failed to provide us with any information or valuable leads," Mason said.

Dateline September 28, 2006, 5 years after attacks:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060929/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/fbi_anthrax_2

"The FBI and its partners in this investigation have never been under any misconceptions about the character of the anthrax used in the attacks," Assistant FBI Director Eleni P. Kalisch wrote Holt on Thursday. "On the contrary, since the earliest months of this investigation, we have consulted with the world's foremost scientific experts on anthrax and relevant bio-forensic sciences, both inside and outside the FBI. While there may have been erroneous media reports about the character of the 2001 anthrax, the FBI's investigation has never been guided by such reports."


53 posted on 10/16/2006 8:05:58 AM PDT by TrebleRebel
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To: Shermy

If the statement from Ms. Kalisch bore any reflection with reality, don't you think the statements from year 1 and year 2 would more accurately read:

Year 1:
"We're replicating the way or ways it might be manufactured, but it is not an easy task," Mueller said. "We are going into new territory in some areas."
should have read:
"We're replicating the way or ways it might be manufactured. This is a relatively easy task since the anthrax was just pure spores and is routinley made by microbiologists," Mueller said. "We don't have to go into new territory or anything"

Year 2:
Two years after the nation's deadly anthrax attacks, the FBI still has not been able to re-create the process the killer used to produce the substance sent through the U.S. mail, a top FBI official said Monday.
should have read:
Two years after the nation's deadly anthrax attacks, the FBI has been able to re-create the process the killer used to produce the substance sent through the U.S. mail, a top FBI official said Monday. It was straightforward to do this, since no special additives were used


54 posted on 10/16/2006 8:08:56 AM PDT by TrebleRebel
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To: TrebleRebel
consistent statements?

You are just picking out the words which support your beliefs, while ignoring the facts which do NOT support your beliefs.

The first link you cite also includes this:

Some experts suggested that federal investigators, who have never coped with an anthrax agent as sophisticated as the material recovered from letters to Sens. Thomas A. Daschle (D-S.D.) and Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.), may be feeling their way through the science to discover how difficult the agent would be to make.

"They'd probably want to look at several methods of doing it -- try to make it several different ways to reproduce the end result," said David Franz, head of the Chemical and Biological Defense Division of the Southern Research Institute and former commander of the the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute for Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID), the nation's principal biodefense research center. "It doesn't seem like an unreasonable idea."

The second article you cite includes this:

Scientists said Monday that it is unclear what Mason's revelation means. They say much depends on whether the FBI is attempting an identical re-creation.

There are many ways to create the powders in the anthrax letters. So, you have to duplicate the powder exactly if you want to create evidence for use in court. That means you also have to duplicate the lab contamination.

When you have to distort and leave out facts to make your case, that just shows how WRONG you are.

Ed

www.anthraxinvestigation.com

55 posted on 10/16/2006 9:58:41 AM PDT by EdLake
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To: EdLake

It doesn't surprise me in the least that you see perfect consistency in the FBI's statements from year 1, year 2 and year 5.


56 posted on 10/16/2006 11:45:14 AM PDT by TrebleRebel
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To: samadams2000; Shermy
"Ed Lake has tracked the case closely, self-publishing a book, "Analyzing the Anthrax Attacks, The First Three Years" and moderating a Web site. Lake is convinced the FBI knows the perpetrator but lacks evidence to prosecute. He believes the killer is a scientist from central New Jersey who wanted America to gird for an al-Qaida bioterror attack in the wake of Sept. 11."

If true, it would be someone with insider Al Qaeda knowledge...since the first anthrax letter was mailed on September 8, 2001.

57 posted on 10/16/2006 6:26:00 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Battle Axe
"If they filled the envelopes in a public park, then down wind, or in the soil, there would be left over spores. Someone would eventually get an infection."

No.

You have random anthrax spores in wool processing facilities, as well as on the ground in sheep-grazing areas...without people getting infections.

An anthrax infection takes hundreds of spores at a single moment. It's a weak bio-agent.

It's the first thing for which a vaccine was ever developed (Louis Pasture circa 1850).

58 posted on 10/16/2006 6:32:20 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Duke of Milan
"This is also why it was mostly postal people who died and were affected. Others who work for the po can easily confirm what I'm saying."

The first person to die was **not** from the Post Office, and the many people who were later infected were treated with modern anti-bodies that cure anthrax infections easily when applied early...a fact that ruins any statistical analysis of who died because of what...because once we realized that we had been hit with a bio-attack, the proper medicine was used to treat/prevent anthrax infections among the exposed.

59 posted on 10/16/2006 6:37:32 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: EdLake
"There is NO proven connection between the anthrax attacks and Muslim terrorists. "The Florida anthrax attack" was from "the New Jersey mailings". One of the letters sent from the Trenton, NJ, area was sent to Florida."

Incorrect. In fact, no anthrax letter was **ever** found in the AMI building in Florida. Just theories about a wierd celebrity letter that a few staffers remember once seeing.

My own theory is that the wife of one of the AMI execs, who just happened to be the landlord for 2 of the 9/11 terrorists (she rented their apartment to them in Florida) caused Bob Stevens (who worked in the AMI building) to become infected via anthrax-tainted cash used to pay her their rent.

60 posted on 10/16/2006 6:45:37 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

the mysterious "JLo" letter as I recall.


61 posted on 10/16/2006 6:47:02 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: EdLake
"The false claims were mostly made by the MEDIA and by scientists who were just speculating about what the MEDIA told them."

That's incorrect. Two different military labs found the same thing independently, stated it, and put the names of their supervisors onto the public reports of the strain/purity/weaponization.

Those aren't errors, and no lab, certainly not some byline buried deep in a bungled FBI report, has the credibility to challenge the two military labs' analysis.

62 posted on 10/16/2006 6:49:27 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

You are right that it takes a "bolus" of spores to contract an infection under normal conditions. You just about have to open the bottle and pour it into a sore!!!

However, they did feel that perhaps 3 spores into the lungs would cause an infection. Our bodies are counting on our nose hairs and mucus to catch them before the lungs.

However, I think you are thinking of smallpox as being one of the first vaccines........correct me if I am wrong.

Smallpox to cowpox


63 posted on 10/16/2006 6:50:39 PM PDT by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: Battle Axe

http://www.bt.cdc.gov/coca/summaries/anthrax031604.asp


64 posted on 10/16/2006 6:55:02 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
I don't buy your tainted money theory. Bob Steven's computer keyboard was loaded. He had clearly examined something while hovering over his keyboard. It had come through the mail as the mail area was contaminated too. Ernesto Blanco opened the mail.

There were people who saw the J-Lo letter and the trails of spores did not match the travels of the letter as I remember.

AMI got a lot of mail and they routinely destroyed most of it.

The air condition system as well as the fans on the copy machines transmitted it all over the building.

There would have been other infections in North Carolina, where Bob Stevens went on vacation if his money in the wallet was contaminated.
65 posted on 10/16/2006 6:58:02 PM PDT by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: Southack
Whoaaaaa You got me.


Then who did the smallpox/cowpox.....turning 60 has not been kind to me.
66 posted on 10/16/2006 6:59:58 PM PDT by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: Battle Axe
"There would have been other infections in North Carolina..."

No. He may have spent the tainted money in Florida. He may have gotten infected by using the tainted money to snort cocaine at his keyboard.

Plus, it takes a lot of spores to get infected.

It all comes back to the 2 degrees of separation. Bob Stevens worked in the AMI building where the AMI exec's wife was the landlord for 2 of the 9/11 terrorists.

That's the anthrax connection between victim and Osama.

Further, what you aren't being told is that human dna was recovered in the mailed letters. We already know that the anthrax perp(s) are or aren't Arab/Persian...the public just isn't being told which.

But the FBI knows...and the FBI is keeping silent on the human dna because it runs contrary to their public anthrax investigation so far.

67 posted on 10/16/2006 7:09:12 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

I agree with your two degrees of separation.

We know that they are or aren't Arabs???????


68 posted on 10/16/2006 7:46:44 PM PDT by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: Battle Axe

Yes. We know if they are Arabs or if they are not Arabs.

Sadly, the public isn't being told the answer that was found in the anthrax letters dna.


69 posted on 10/16/2006 7:50:43 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Battle Axe

This story says a "stray spore" was found on the keyboard.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/2001-10-15-tracking-anthrax.htm


70 posted on 10/16/2006 9:17:04 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Southack

You nailed Ed Lake. He likes to spread false information that it was all just a big misunderstanding with the media. Of course you are correct. There are dozens of named Federal officials who stated silica was used as an additive.
The Armed Forces Institute of Pathology (AFIP) published a Newsletter in October 2002 (1 year after the attcks) stating that silica was a key additive of the powder sent to yourself. They used a technique of SEM/EDX to determine this. The persons responsible for this work were Florabel Mullick, Frank Johnson, Victor Kalasinsky and Marie Jenkins. They relate this finding here: http://www.afip.org/images/public/nl081002.pdf


71 posted on 10/17/2006 4:30:44 AM PDT by TrebleRebel
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To: Shermy

Where is that scientific report showing all of the floors of the AMI building??? They showed the keyboard was loaded? It was a screening of the building.


72 posted on 10/17/2006 5:05:31 AM PDT by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: Shermy

http://www.ph.ucla.edu/EPI/bioter/anthraxamibuilding.html

I think it was more than a stray spore.


73 posted on 10/17/2006 5:39:31 AM PDT by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: Southack
"There is NO proven connection between the anthrax attacks and Muslim terrorists. "The Florida anthrax attack" was from "the New Jersey mailings". One of the letters sent from the Trenton, NJ, area was sent to Florida."

Incorrect. In fact, no anthrax letter was **ever** found in the AMI building in Florida.

It's true that no letter was found, but traces of anthrax were found in post offices which indicate that the anthrax letter was postmarked on September 18, 2001, in Trenton, NJ, just like the other four media letters, and it was transported to Florida.

The letter was addressed to an obsolete address for The National Enquirer in Lantana, Florida. It was then forwarded from Lantana to the AMI offices in Boca Raton. It was opened by Stephanie Dailey, whose job was to open letters for The National Enquirer. She's the only person besides Stevens and Blanco who tested positive for anthrax exposure.

There is no evidence of any kind that there was any other letter containing anthrax that went to anyplace in Florida.

Ed

www.anthraxinvestigation.com

74 posted on 10/17/2006 8:55:01 AM PDT by EdLake
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To: Southack
"The false claims were mostly made by the MEDIA and by scientists who were just speculating about what the MEDIA told them."

That's incorrect. Two different military labs found the same thing independently, stated it, and put the names of their supervisors onto the public reports of the strain/purity/weaponization.

Which two labs were those?

AFIP (The Armed Forces Institutes of Pathology) detected silicon and oxygen in the anthrax and ASSUMED it was some kind of silica additive. But no one SAW any additives under a TEM or SEM. AFIP put their FALSE ASSUMPTIONS into a self-serving newsletter. It wasn't any kind of official report.

Ed

www.anthraxinvestigation.com

75 posted on 10/17/2006 9:01:45 AM PDT by EdLake
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To: Battle Axe
Where is that scientific report showing all of the floors of the AMI building??? They showed the keyboard was loaded? It was a screening of the building.

The CDC charts showing where anthrax spores were detected in the AMI building can be found on my site by clicking HERE.

Note that the third floor where Bob Stevens worked and where the J-Lo letter was opened is the least contaminated floor in the building.

The mailroom area where Stephanie Dailey opened the actual anthrax letter is the MOST contaminated area in the building.

The National Enquirer described exactly how and where the so-called "J-Lo letter" was opened. That article can be read by clicking HERE. They may have thought it was the anthrax letter, but the evidence says it wasn't. If the J-Lo letter had been loaded with anthrax, that entire area on the third floor would have been covered with anthrax, and the person who actually opened it -- Bobby Bender -- would have been contaminated, if not dead. He carried the OPEN letter around the third floor office showing it to people - including Bob Stevens.

Ed

www.anthraxinvestigation.com

76 posted on 10/17/2006 9:23:08 AM PDT by EdLake
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To: Shermy

Correct. That flat out lie causes me to doubt everything else in the article. Saddam and al Queda remains the joint suspects to me.


77 posted on 10/17/2006 9:36:16 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: txrangerette

"Let me inject a tad of reason and common sense." This is going to make you very unpopular among the Shoot first and never ask questions crowd.


78 posted on 10/17/2006 9:42:43 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: EdLake

The significant issue with this anthrax was not "purity" but SIZE the spores were milled to the perfect size for inhilation. Like Baby Bear they had to be juuust right not too small not too big.

There were only a few labs capable of that kind of milling and of that few only Iraq had the motivation to do something like this.


79 posted on 10/17/2006 9:47:25 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: EdLake
AFIP (The Armed Forces Institutes of Pathology) detected silicon and oxygen in the anthrax and ASSUMED it was some kind of silica additive.

Another famous false statement from Ed Lake's playbook. That they ASSUMED it was silica is simply an argument invented by Ed Lake which he propogates with religious fervor all across the internet. He seems to think that if he puts this on the internet often enough, it might become true. Detrick saw an unidentified material on the anthrax spores after performing SEM. They sent it to AFIP to identify that unidentified material. AFIP identified the material as SILICA. It's all stated quite clearly in AFIP's report. They even showed a SEM/EDX of the silica reference sample they used to prove the unidentified substance was silica. That picture is shown below.



When US Army investigators at Ft Detrick, Md, examined anthrax found in a letter sent to Sen. Thomas Daschle last fall, they discovered that the highly refined spores floated in the air, making them much easier for potential victims to inhale. What made this anthrax so easily aerosolized? A series of sophisticated tests revealed some clues, but the presence of another unidentifiable substance left the investigation incomplete. That’s when Ft Detrick contacted AFIP’s Department of Environmental and Toxicologic Pathology for assistance.

"Ft Detrick sought our assistance to determine the specific components of the anthrax found in the Daschle letter," said Florabel G. Mullick, MD, ScD, SES, AFIP Principal Deputy Director and department chair. AFIP experts utilized an energy dispersive X-ray spectrometer (an instrument used to detect the presence of otherwise-unseen chemicals through characteristic wavelengths of X-ray light) to confirm the previously unidentifiable substance as silica. "This was a key component," Mullick said. "Silica prevents the anthrax from aggregating, making it easier to aerosolize.
80 posted on 10/17/2006 9:57:40 AM PDT by TrebleRebel
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To: Southack; TrebleRebel

How many more years do you guys think are going to go by before Lake stops pissing on all of us and telling us that it's raining? His strained leaps of credulity become tougher for me to swallow all the time.


81 posted on 10/17/2006 10:04:54 AM PDT by jpl (Victorious warriors win first, then go to war; defeated warriors go to war first, then seek to win.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
The significant issue with this anthrax was not "purity" but SIZE the spores were milled to the perfect size for inhilation. Like Baby Bear they had to be juuust right not too small not too big.

That is totally untrue.

First of all, anthrax spores ONLY COME IN ONE SIZE. They are roughly 1 micron in diameter, and 1.5 microns in length. Milling down a spore to get it to the right size would be like milling down an ostrich egg to create a chicken egg. It's idiotic. It's impossible.

Second, the anthrax spores in the letters WERE NOT MILLED. Milling is done to break up clumps of spores which were dried together. Milling leaves traces. When you mill spores, you get chips of spores in the powder, and most of the spores would appear to have flat sides as a result of the milling. (If you have two or more spores stuck together, and you separate them by milling, the area where they were stuck together will be flat.) Everyone who looked at the spores said there was no sign of milling.

The nonsense about milling was just a misunderstanding by people who knew nothing about such things. It was probably the DUMBEST thing ever said about the anthrax, and it was said by MANY people who just didn't know what they were talking about.

Ed

82 posted on 10/17/2006 10:09:39 AM PDT by EdLake
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To: jpl
How many more years do you guys think are going to go by before Lake stops pissing on all of us and telling us that it's raining? His strained leaps of credulity become tougher for me to swallow all the time.

What I've been saying for years was recently confirmed in a scientific report written by a top FBI scientist. If you want to read the report, you can do so by clicking HERE.

But I gather you view statements by the FBI as just part of the grand conspiracy to mislead the American public. Right?

Here's what FBI scientist Douglas Beecher wrote in that scientific, peer reviewed report:

Individuals familiar with the compositions of the powders in the letters have indicated that they were comprised simply of spores purified to different extents (6). However, a widely circulated misconception is that the spores were produced using additives and sophisticated engineering supposedly akin to military weapon production. This idea is usually the basis for implying that the powders were inordinately dangerous compared to spores alone (3, 6, 12; J. Kelly, Washington Times, 21 October 2003; G. Gugliotta and G. Matsumoto, The Washington Post, 28 October 2002). The persistent credence given to this impression fosters erroneous preconceptions, which may misguide research and preparedness efforts and generally detract from the magnitude of hazards posed by simple spore preparations.

Ed

83 posted on 10/17/2006 10:21:48 AM PDT by EdLake
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To: EdLake

There was an article about this posted just a week or so ago which claims otherwise and specifies the range within which these spores must be in order to be effective when inhaled. And it claims these were within that range.


84 posted on 10/17/2006 10:23:57 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: EdLake
What I've been saying for years was recently confirmed in a scientific report written by a top FBI scientist.

That report references an article in Science magazine as it's source. It does NOT give any data, nor does it reference insiders. As it stands, the FBI paper is quite meaningless.
85 posted on 10/17/2006 10:31:13 AM PDT by TrebleRebel
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To: TrebleRebel
That report references an article in Science magazine as it's source. It does NOT give any data, nor does it reference insiders. As it stands, the FBI paper is quite meaningless.

Not to mention that the FBI refused to make this Douglas Beecher chap available to the press to answer questions, and more importantly, they have also refused on multiple occasions now to answer questions that members of Congress have (in classified briefings no less).

It almost gives one the impression that they've got something to hide.

86 posted on 10/17/2006 10:37:12 AM PDT by jpl (Victorious warriors win first, then go to war; defeated warriors go to war first, then seek to win.)
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To: TrebleRebel
AFIP identified the material as SILICA.

True. AFIP identified the material as silica in a self-promoting newsletter they wrote. It was NOT a scientific report of any kind, nor was it peer-reviewed. It was just intended to show people are important AFIP is.

In reality, AFIP had no capability for determining the material was silica. They only had the capability for detecting what kinds of ATOMS were in the anthrax that didn't belong in natural anthrax. They detected ATOMS of silicon and oxygen in the anthrax. Silicon atoms do not appear in natural anthrax. Silicon atoms do not appear all by themselves in nature. They are always combined with something else, usually oxygen atoms.

A combination of silicon and oxygen atoms could indicate silicone, some form of manufactured glass or some other combination. But silica is the most common combination of silicon and oxygen atoms. And silica is something that is commonly used to "weaponize" anthrax. So, the natural ASSUMPTION was that there was silica in the anthrax. But it was JUST AN ASSUMPTION. There were no visible silica particles in the anthrax.

It took at least a month to figure out how there could be silicon and oxygen in the anthrax if no one could see any silica particles. The official word has not been released by the FBI, but the best evidence is that the silicon and oxygen were some form of lab contamination from the culprit's lab. Scientists located two old scientific reports which indicated that spores can pick up silicon due to lab contamination. The assumption was that the silicon was somehow absorbed from glass lab equipment. The whole new science of Microbial Forensics was developed to analyze such contamination to see if it can point to a specific lab or a specific process.

It's truly ridiculous to accept what is written in a self-serving newsletter over what was written by a top FBI scientist in a peer-reviewed scientific report printed in the top scientific magazine on microbiology.

Ed

87 posted on 10/17/2006 10:45:00 AM PDT by EdLake
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To: justshutupandtakeit
There was an article about this posted just a week or so ago which claims otherwise and specifies the range within which these spores must be in order to be effective when inhaled. And it claims these were within that range.

You are misunderstanding. Yes, particles do have to be within a certain range (1 to 5 microns) to be deadly when inhaled. But ALL ANTHRAX SPORES ARE IN THAT RANGE. It's when lots of spores are CLUMPED together into BIG CLUMPS that are larger than 5 microns that they are caught by hairs in the nose and do not get inhaled, or they are coughed out.

You should not mistake what is said about "particles" or "clumps" as pertaining to spores. INDIVIDUAL spores come in only one size. This is a BASIC SCIENTIFIC FACT, and no report regardless of where you read it will change that.

Ed

88 posted on 10/17/2006 10:53:06 AM PDT by EdLake
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To: TrebleRebel
As it stands, the FBI paper is quite meaningless.

Only to those who ignore facts in order to promote some kind of conspiracy theory.

Ed

89 posted on 10/17/2006 10:55:13 AM PDT by EdLake
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To: EdLake
Only to those who ignore facts in order to promote some kind of conspiracy theory. The fact is that the FBI paper did not provide a shred of evidence or data to support it's assertion. In fact, it even gave a reference to an article that said the exact opposite of what was claimed - and that reference was the SOLE authority on basing the claim there were no additives.
90 posted on 10/17/2006 11:07:38 AM PDT by TrebleRebel
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To: EdLake
"It's true that no letter was found, but traces of anthrax were found in post offices which indicate that the anthrax letter was postmarked on September 18, 2001, in Trenton, NJ, just like the other four media letters, and it was transported to Florida." - edlake

Your story breaks down. Yes, no letter was found. After that, what was found in various post offices is of less importance (in regard to the Florida attack) because the anthrax could have been delivered via non-postal means such as on tainted cash.

"The letter was addressed to an obsolete address for The National Enquirer in Lantana, Florida. It was then forwarded from Lantana to the AMI offices in Boca Raton. It was opened by Stephanie Dailey, whose job was to open letters for The National Enquirer. She's the only person besides Stevens and Blanco who tested positive for anthrax exposure." - edlake

Nope. No letter was found, so you can't pretend to state it's address. Also, an "obsolete address" would have required a Florida letter to be mailed even before September 8.

You've essentially missed every important detail of this entire case.

91 posted on 10/17/2006 11:48:11 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: TrebleRebel; EdLake; justshutupandtakeit; jpl; Southack; Battle Axe; muawiyah; Allan; Mitchell

Interestingly this development, the "no addititve" assertion, does no hurt but helps the FBI case against, or from, Dr. Hatfill.

The small flurry of articles on the anniversary gave the impression the set of perps was greatly enlarged and went beyond people of Hatfill's expertise. To the degree they admitted the Ames strain is in labs across the world this certainly spread the possibility of perps.

But regarding sophitication the media spin was wrong. In reality, IIRC, the weaponization (or whatever you call it) process tended to preclude Hatfill as a suspect, not include. His degree and experience lent itself to vaccine research and such, but the expertise of someone like a chemical engineer, and access to appropriate equipment, was required to produce the "weaponized" product.





92 posted on 10/17/2006 11:49:45 AM PDT by Shermy
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To: EdLake
"AFIP (The Armed Forces Institutes of Pathology) detected silicon and oxygen in the anthrax and ASSUMED it was some kind of silica additive. But no one SAW any additives under a TEM or SEM. AFIP put their FALSE ASSUMPTIONS into a self-serving newsletter. It wasn't any kind of official report."

AFIP published accurate analysis, not "false assumptions" as you need to pretend in order for your cock-eyed scenario to still have a prayer. See the link in post #71 above.

93 posted on 10/17/2006 11:51:26 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: EdLake
In reality, AFIP had no capability for determining the material was silica.

Apart from the SMS/EDX capability for determining the material was silica as outlined in post 80 complete with pictures. You should sell used cars.
94 posted on 10/17/2006 11:52:47 AM PDT by TrebleRebel
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To: EdLake
"In reality, AFIP had no capability for determining the material was silica." - Ed Lake

Wow!

What a whopper! You sir, are the biggest liar I've seen on Free Republic in at least two weeks.

95 posted on 10/17/2006 12:03:46 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: jpl; EdLake
"How many more years do you guys think are going to go by before Lake stops pissing on all of us and telling us that it's raining? His strained leaps of credulity become tougher for me to swallow all the time."

What you have to ask yourself is why? Is Ed Lake lying because of his ego, or because of his ideology, or because he's hoping for financial (or social) gain?

But that he's lying is clear; outlined in black and white with direct quotes above.

96 posted on 10/17/2006 12:08:17 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Shermy

See post #80


97 posted on 10/17/2006 12:18:30 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

"See post #80"

Not my point. IOW, Hey, let's get beyond weaponization or not and to real important stuff - which result is best to defend one's self from a Hatfill lawsuit.

There are careers and reputations to protect!!


98 posted on 10/17/2006 12:52:08 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: genefromjersey
Naw, just a teaspoon and some envelopes.

The anthrax was prepared elsewhere.

99 posted on 10/17/2006 12:53:22 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Duke of Milan

Good point ~ and, given the material letter and flat trays are made out of, you end up having a second opportunity to "aerosolize" almost anything ~ as you remove weight (mail) from a tray, the tubes in the container rebound to their original form and suck in air and whatever spores are around. When you add weight (mail) to the tray, the air and whatever else is in the tubules is expelled.


100 posted on 10/17/2006 12:59:01 PM PDT by muawiyah
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