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The Koran is not 'a book of violence'
National Post (Canada) ^ | 10-13-06 | Hamid Rizvi

Posted on 10/13/2006 9:45:36 PM PDT by Pharmboy

Re: Professor Goes Into Hiding After Calling Koran 'A Book Of Violence,' Oct. 12.

What French philosophy professor Robert Redeker has to realize is that Muslims in the world are not against him because he is practising freedom of speech. Islam values the rights of every person and their right to express their opinion. Expressing their opinion is different, however, from openly denouncing or insulting the beliefs and religion of someone else. When Muslims in the world retaliate against such opinions -- or the Danish cartoons -- they are not trying to eliminate freedom of speech. Instead, we are trying to eliminate the unnecessary hatred against us that is based on completely false facts and analysis.

The fact that someone could call the Koran a "book of inherent violence" tells us how ignorant and uninformed that person is about our religion.

Secondly, what I found interesting was Prof. Redeker's comment, "We must distinguish between Islamists and those responsible Muslims out there who should without a doubt support me." I find it hard to understand what he is looking for. Does he want moderate Muslims to support him when he is insulting the basis of our religion without putting in the time and effort to understand it completely? Even though he will not face a violent backlash from moderate Muslims, Prof. Redeker will not gain any kind of support or encouragement either.

Muslim "reactions" and "retaliations" against supposed "free speech" are not coming out of thin air. In fact, authors such as Prof. Redeker are adding fuel to the fire and expecting it to extinguish itself. There is a simple solution to these "violent" retaliations. Let's keep practising free speech, but eliminate the ignorant insulting of Muslim beliefs. The retaliations will stop. It is pretty hard to clap with just one hand.

Hamid Rizvi, Toronto.


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This was published in the National Post as the "Letter of the Day." It had its own box in the middle of the page--quite prominent.

It's hard to believe how colossal an idiot this guy is.

1 posted on 10/13/2006 9:45:38 PM PDT by Pharmboy
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I guess Hamid Rizvi is unable to see the irony in his excuse. The Qu'ran is not a book of violence, and Muslims are peaceful, but if you have a negative opinion about them or their religion, they will try and kill you.


2 posted on 10/13/2006 9:48:34 PM PDT by oolatec
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To: Pharmboy

Well, not really. ;-)


3 posted on 10/13/2006 9:48:45 PM PDT by RedCell ("...thou shalt kill thine enemy before he killeth you by any means available" - Dick Marcinko)
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To: Pharmboy

Muslim = enemy of mankind.


4 posted on 10/13/2006 9:49:21 PM PDT by Jaysun (Idiot Muslims. They're just dying to have sex orgies.)
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To: Jaysun

koran tp would be top seller at Walmart.(idea!)


5 posted on 10/13/2006 9:51:45 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Somebody important make....THE CALL!)
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To: Pharmboy

Apparently I am more informed about the Quran and Hadiths than this guy or he is a colossal liar. Take your pick.


6 posted on 10/13/2006 9:52:06 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Pharmboy
"we are trying to eliminate the unnecessary hatred against us "

Submit or die

(see tagline)

7 posted on 10/13/2006 9:53:47 PM PDT by endthematrix (“Anyone who describes Islam as a religion as intolerant encourages violence.”)
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To: plain talk

Taqiyyah or Dissimulation or Deception
As a Muslim, you are allowed to LIE to protect yourself when confronted by your enemies.


8 posted on 10/13/2006 9:55:46 PM PDT by momof9
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To: Pharmboy

The koran says its ok to lie to further Islams aims, so this author is just being a good muslim in defending the indefensible..


9 posted on 10/13/2006 9:56:49 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi..)
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To: All

I love acronyms

Here's one
I.S.L.A.M. = I'm Satan Learn About Me


10 posted on 10/13/2006 9:57:40 PM PDT by momof9
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To: Pharmboy
Okay, Hamdi, here's the deal. When I'm in your country I'll abide by your rules. But then, I've read about the 13th century in history books, and have no interest in visiting it for real. Meanwhile, when you are in our country, or in any other that is living in the 21st century, you abide by our rules.

If you don't understand or like it, feel free to move.

Congressman Billybob

Latest article: "An Open Letter to President Bollinger"

Please see my most recent new statement on running for Congress, here.

11 posted on 10/13/2006 9:58:06 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Have a look-see. Please get involved.)
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To: Pharmboy

Prophet of Terror and the Religion of Peace--Part I
Mohammed, Prophet of Islam is known as the "Apostle of Peace" by Muslims. Nothing can be further from the truth.

This article is just one of a series that I will be publishing regarding sadistic cruel nature of Prophet Mohammed. In this article I will prove once again, that Mohammed was in fact a terrorist, criminal and murderer whose entire life was based on victimizing innocents and indulging in mindless violence, carnage and massacre. He was a man who destroyed peace wherever he went, and in its place brought terror, carnage and death.

When Mohammed first started screaming from the rooftops that he alone had the divine word of God, the people of Mecca ignored him. However, when he started insulting and defaming the religion of the peace loving Meccans, they couldn't take it anymore and tried persuading him to stop. Mohammed the coward was too scared of the growing hostility against him and instead of calling upon his Allah to strike down the Meccans, he crept out one night and fled for his life.

Ever since that incident, Mohammed was determined to take revenge on the Meccans. He escaped to Medinah, which had a sizeable Jewish population, and started plotting his revenge with a small gang of criminals. This was the beginning of Mohammed's trail of violence, hatred and bloodshed that would soon destroy the once flourishing culture of Arabia. The story has been documented in detail by his biographers, - surprise raids on trade caravans and tribal settlements, the use of plunder thus obtained for recruiting an ever growing army of greedy desperados, assassinations of opponents, blackmail, expulsion and massacre of the Jews of Medinah, attack and enslavement of the Jews of Khayber, rape of women and children, sale of these victims after rape, trickery, treachery and bribery employed to their fullest extent to grow the numbers of his religion Islam which ironically was supposed to mean "Peace"! He organised no less than 86 expeditions, 26 of which he led himself.

The motives of the converts to Islam was never in any doubt. As D.S. Margoliouth states in his book Muhammad and the rise of Islam

"Of any moralising or demoralising effect that Muhammad's teaching had upon his followers we cannot say with precision. When he was at the head of the Robber community, it is probable that the demoralising influence began to be felt; it was then that men who had never broken an oath learnt that they might evade their obligations, and that men to whom the blood of their clan had been as their own, began to shed it with impunity in the "cause of god". And that lying and treachery in the cause of Islam received divine approval. It was then too that Moslems became distinguished by the obscenity of their language. It was then too, that the coveting of goods and wives possessed by Non-muslims was avowed without discouragement from the Prophet...."
The details of all his criminal onslaughts in the form of battles and assasinations are chronicled in this article in a chronological manner. One should note that everytime the "Apostle of Peace" committed one of his criminal onslaughts, he always justified the crimes by quickly claiming a "divine revelation" which conveniently removed the blame from his bloodied hands. These convenient Suras are detailed immediately below the description of the incident.




1) Massacre of unarmed merchants during sacred month
Date: Late January(Rejeb), 623 A.D.
Place: Nakhla
Victims: 4 Merchants from Quraysh tribe of Mecca, the Tribe to which Mohammed himself belonged

Four UNARMED merchants were travelling to Mecca to sell their goods consisting of raisins, honey and animal skins. It was the holy month of Rejeb which was considered sacred for trade in Arabia. It was a point of honor that any form of warfare or violence was strictly forbidden in this month. Mohammed's gang attacked the helpless men from behind and stabbed two of them to death. They plundered all the goods as booty and Mohammed got one fifths of the share.

This shows the utter lack of morals or scruples on Mohammed's part. The Prophet of Islam did not possess a shred of pity or kindness, or the slightest sense of justice. He cold-bloodedly murdered two innocent people who had never done him any harm and did not even know him! All this was done in a month that the Prophet himself declared was a sacred month in which no warfare should take place. Mohammed was obviously motivated by nothing but hatred and greed.

Conveniently divine revelations came down from Allah that absolved him of all the guilt.

Koran 2:216
"Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that you hate a thing which is good for you and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, you knew not."

Here Mohammed is completely removing all blame from himself, for having started the fighting. The most insidious and devilish implication of this verse is that Allah is completely justifying Mohammed's murder of the innocent Meccans. Over and above this Mohammed is conveniently implying that warfare is hateful to him, but he participated in it because it was ordained by Allah! What sacrifices the "Apostle of Peace" had to make!

Koran 2:217
"They question you (O Mohammed) with regard to warfare in the sacred month. Say: Warfare therein is a great transgression but to turn men from the way of Allah and to disbelive in Him and the inviolable place of worship and to expel its people thence is a greater transgression, for persecution is worse than killing"

Here Allah is clearly saying that to kill or create warfare in the sacred month of Rejeb is a very grave offence, but to justify his own violation of Allah's rules, Mohammed comes up with the idea that since the people killed were unbelievers, it was perfectly okay! The reason given for the horrific murder of the innocent Meccans, is the fact that they did not believe in Mohammed's version of God. How much more tolerant and kind could the "Great Prophet" be!






2) Slaughter of Meccans who came to defend their caravans
Date: March (Ramadan) 17, 623 A.D
Place: The well of Badr
Victims: 70 merchants from Quraysh Tribe of Mecca, The Quraysh army which came to defend them

The merchandise being carried by this caravan was worth more than 50,000 Gold Dinars. Mohammed ganged up all the criminals of Medina and set out to raid the caravan with 300 men. The Meccans got word of the raid and sent out an army to protect the caravan. Throughout the entire battle Mohammad cowered in a hut which his men made for him. There he cried and prayed with feverish anxiety. At one point he came out of the hut and threw pebbles in the enemy's direction, screaming "Let evil look on your faces!" and "By him who holds my soul in his hands, anyone who fights for me today will go to paradise!" The Muslims killed over two hundred and took seventy prisoners. All seventy of the prisoners were ransomed, and any prisoner who did not fetch a ransom had his head chopped off.

Mohammed was gratified at the sight of his murdered victims. After the battle, he sent his followers to look for the corpse of Abu Jahal, one of the Meccans who had criticised him openly. When his corpse was found,they cut off the head and threw it down at Mohammed's feet. The "Apostle of peace" cried out in delirious joy, "Rejoice! Here lies the head of the enemy of Allah! Praise Allah, for there is no other but he!" The Prophet then ordered a great pit to be dug for the bodies of the innocents to be dumped. The Muslims then proceeded to hack the corpses limbs into pieces. As the bloodied mass of bodies was being thrown into the pit, a feverishly excited Mohammed shreiked, " O People of the Pit, have you found that what Allah threatened is true now? For I have found that what my Lord promised was true! Rejoice All Muslims!" One of the prisoners taken was the defiant Al Nadr Ibn al Harith, who had earlier taken Muhammad's challenge of telling better stories than him. Muhammad ordered Ali to strike off Nadr's head in his presence, so he could watch and exult in the pleasure of beheading the man who had insulted him. Another prisoner Uqba ibn Abi Muait was decapitated in front of the Prophet. Before being killed the prisoner cried out pitifully "O Prophet, who will look after my children if I should die?" The "Great Prophet of the Religion of Peace" coldly spat out "Hellfire", as the blade came down and spattered his clothes with Uqba's blood.

This time Mohammed needed a revelation that would not only absolve him of all the guilt for murdering so many innocent people, but also give him the "divine" right to get a huge share of the plundered booty. Quite a few revelations magically appeared after the battle of Badr.

Koran 8:65
"O Prophet exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you 20 steadfast,they will overcome 200 and if there be of you a 100, they shall overcome a 1000, because the disbelievers are a folk without intelligence"

This Sura clearly exposes Islam to be a religion that not only encourages violence but actually makes it a sacred duty for Muslims to kill anyone who does not believe in the Muslim version of religion. Not only is the "All forgiving Allah" exhorting his followers to kill anyone who is not Muslim, but he is also saying that all non-Muslims are so stupid that they will be unable to defend themselves and therfore deserve death!

Koran 8:67-68
"It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. You desire the lure of this world and Allah desires for you the hereafter and Allah is Mighty, Wise.. Now enjoy what you have won as lawful and good and keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is forgiving, merciful."

This verse is in reference to the prisoners that Mohammed held for ransom after the battle. Allah the "Merciful" is saying that they should all have been killed! In addition, Allah is conveniently commenting that whatever loot Mohammed has plundered is "lawful and good" because it was done in service to Allah. So murder, rape, plunder and destruction are all perfectly fine with Allah as long as they are done in the name of Islam! Mohammed is also insidiously making himself seem very kind for having spared the lives of the prisoners, when in fact he only let them live so he could get more money from the Ransom for them. In today's world this is called "Terrorism" of the worst kind.






3) Assasination of poets who criticised Mohammed's murderous ways
Date: Late March-April, 623 A.D
Place: Medinah
Victims: Two of the most famous poets of Medinah, who had the courage to criticise the murderous actions of Mohammed and his gang

After the battle of Badr, the people of Medinah were horrified that they had given refuge to such a blatant criminal and his followers in their city. Many began protesting the presence of such violent and murderous people in their city. In a free society like Pre-Islamic Arabia, the poets acted as society's conscience and were free to criticise, satirize and examine the actions of people. The two most famous poets of this kind were Abu 'Afak; an extremely old and respected poet and Asma bint Marwan; a young mother with the gift of superb verse.

Muhammad was enraged at their criticism. When he heard the verses composed by Asma Bint Marwan he was infuriated and screamed aloud, "Will no one rid me of this daughter of Marwan!" That very night a gang of Muslims set out to do the dirty deed. They broke into the poets' house. She was lying in in her bedroom suckling her newborn child, while her other small children slept nearby. The Muslims tore the newborn infant off her breast and hacked it to pieces before her very eyes. They then made her watch the murder of all four of her children, before raping and then stabbing her repeatedly to death. After the murder when the Muslims went to inform the Prophet, he said "You have done a service to Allah and his Messenger, her life was not worth even two goats!"

A month later the distinguished and highly respected Abu Afak, who was over a hundred years old and reknowned for his sense of fairness, was killed brutally in the same manner as he slept. Once again the Prophet had commented that morning "Who will avenge me on this scoundrel!"

This shows us exactly how much the tolerant and peace loving Prophet respected life. Muslims claim that Mohammed was extremely gentle and loved children. Indeed the horrifying way he had Asma Bint Marwan's five infants slaughtered certainly attests to this "loving" side of the Prophet.






4) The Siege of the Banu Qaynuqa
Date: April, 623 A.D
Place: Medinah
Victims: The Jewish Tribe of Banu Qaynuqa

In order to get full control of Medinah, Mohammed needed to get rid of all his opponents. The strongest of these opponents was Abdallah Ibn Ubayy, a powerful chief who was allied with the Jewish Tribe of Banu Qaynuqa. This tribe was also the weakest, because they were made up of craftsmen, in particular goldsmiths. By attacking them, Mohammed knew he could plunder a huge amount of wealth and weaken Ibn Ubayy. Mohammed needed an excuse to attack them so he made a girl married to one of his followers, pretend that she had been teased by the Jews. The Muslims blockaded the fort of the Banu Qaynuqa for fifteen days until the starving Jews surrendered. Immediately, the Prophet was ready to kill them all, but Ibn Ubayy seized hold of Mohammed and protested. Mohammed's face became black with rage as he shouted "Let go of me", but Ibn Ubayy was adamant and shouted back "No, by God, I will not let you go until you deal kindly with my allies. 400 men without armour and 300 with, who have always supported me against enemies. And you want to slay them all in one morning! By God, If I were in your place I would fear a reversal of fortune"

At this threat, the cowardly Mohammed turned pale, as he realised that all the people of Medinah were against him. He hit Ibn Ubayy on the face and ordered that the Jews be kicked out of their own homes. All their property was seized and looted, many of the prettiest women were taken as prisoners to become sex-slaves. Mohammed kept one-fifths of the enormous booty for himself. This is the way he repayed the kindness of the Jews of Medina, who had given him shelter and a refuge, when Mohammed had run away from Mecca in fear.

The revelations in the Eighth Sura of the Koran were clearly in reference to the Banu Qaynuqa and anyone who opposed the Muslims.

(Koran 8:55-57)
"Lo, the worst of beasts in Allah's sight are the ungrateful who will not believe."

"Those of them with whom you made a treaty and then at every opportunity they break their treaty and they keep not duty to Allah, If you come on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, so that they may remember."

Here Mohammed's acts of planned terrorism against the Jewish Tribe is justified by Allah, because according to the "Merciful" Allah, Non-Muslims are the worst of BEASTS! So it is perfectly all right to murder, rape, torture and pillage the non-believers! Not only that but Allah is advising Mohammed and the Muslims that when anyone protests against the injustices committed by Muslims, the Muslims should make sure and deal with them with such violence, that it will strike fear among anyone who may think of supporting dissent. This proves that the Koran is nothing but a political manual for controlling people with terror. Not even the fascist armies of Hitler engineered such devilish ideas.

The above are just a few of the incidents that demonstrate the intolerant and merciless nature of the inhuman acts committed by Mohammed and the Muslims. Further articles in this series will reveal more of Prophet Mohammed's heinous, sadistic and cruel crimes against humanity.



Note: Works of Abdullah Yusuf Ali, Muhammed Marmaduke Pickthall, Rodinson, Martin Lings have been used in this article.

http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/index.html


12 posted on 10/13/2006 9:58:09 PM PDT by Fred Nerks ("Illegitimi non carborundum",)
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To: cardinal4

I think we all heard the truth in here many times.
I LEARNED ALL I NEED TO KNOW ABOUT ISLAM ON 9/11!!!!!
I saw what happened and in that there is truth. All the rest is BS.


13 posted on 10/13/2006 10:00:42 PM PDT by oldenuff2no
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To: Pharmboy

Graphic
http://religionofterror.com/


14 posted on 10/13/2006 10:02:47 PM PDT by Taxbilly
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To: Pharmboy

No, just hard to believe his inane "viewpoint" was published.

Anyone have the date by which they (Islamics) will all spontaneously suicide themselves, if they don't achieve world domination?

What...no end to their insanity?
How about a bag limit?


15 posted on 10/13/2006 10:04:36 PM PDT by sarasmom (Lead, follow, or get out of the way .The "debate" ended on 91101 for serious adults.)
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To: Pharmboy

Why, cut him some slack. In is not a book of violence, it is a violent book.


16 posted on 10/13/2006 10:05:22 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: GSlob

In is =It is


17 posted on 10/13/2006 10:06:00 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: samadams2000

German Man Who Created Koran Toilet Paper Convicted:

http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/12568.html


18 posted on 10/13/2006 10:06:02 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Second to none!)
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To: oldenuff2no

You got it right. I was living in NJ at the time and remember all to well the feeling I had when I saw the pictures on TV. All I ever wanted to about Islam I learned that day.


19 posted on 10/13/2006 10:08:45 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: Pharmboy; M. Espinola; Hydroshock; All
Must see video report:

Video: "The Roots of Islamic Fascism"

20 posted on 10/13/2006 10:10:03 PM PDT by ex-Texan (Matthew 7: 1 - 6)
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To: Pharmboy
they are not trying to eliminate freedom of speech. Instead, we are trying to eliminate the unnecessary hatred against us that is based on completely false facts and analysis.

WOW! Let me try and help cut through the Nuance...

We don't want to eliminate Free Speech. We want to eliminate people who think we are violent, which is absolutely false.

21 posted on 10/13/2006 10:12:02 PM PDT by eeevil conservative (STEVE KING /JOHN BOLTON FOR '08...Ann picks King...I pick Bolton!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Islam is a 7th century throwback , primative "religion". No place for it in modern times at all. Thanx for the post


22 posted on 10/13/2006 10:13:38 PM PDT by sonic109
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To: Pharmboy

Books don't kill people.

Muzzies with knives and bombs do.


23 posted on 10/13/2006 10:14:18 PM PDT by djf (There is no such thing as "moderate muslims". They are all "silent supporters!!")
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To: Pharmboy
"The fact that someone could call the Koran a "book of inherent violence" tells us how ignorant and uninformed that person is about our religion."

Of course not, that's why it says all this stuff and more:

Qur’an:2:216 “Jihad (holy fighting in Allah’s Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims), though you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and like a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not.” [Another translation reads:] “Warfare is ordained for you.”

Qur’an:33:22 “Among the Believers are men who have been true to their covenant with Allah and have gone out for Jihad (holy fighting). Some have completed their vow to extreme and have been martyred fighting and dying in His Cause, and some are waiting, prepared for death in battle.”

Qur’an:9:111 “Allah has purchased the believers, their lives and their goods. For them (in return) is the Garden (of Paradise). They fight in Allah’s Cause, and they slay and are slain; they kill and are killed.”

All peaceful, loving stuff. Notice how those Koranic commands preach peace and love? If you don't, you must not be reading it properly.
Here are a few more, Maybe if you see a few more, you will see the pattern of peace and love, good will to all mankind. Remember, words are not as they may seem...

Qur’an:47:4 “So, when you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah’s Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam.”

There!! See the love? See the peace and tranqility of Islam? How can anyone say this is violence?

Noble Qur’an:2:190 Footnote: “Jihad is holy fighting in Allah’s Cause with full force of numbers and weaponry. [it is NOT a personal, inner struggle?] It is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its pillars. By Jihad Islam is established, Allah’s Word is made superior (which means only Allah has the right to be worshiped), and Islam is propagated.[not defensive?] By abandoning Jihad Islam is destroyed and Muslims fall into an inferior position; their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim.[so it's not just a few fanatics who are terrorists?] He who tries to escape from this duty, or does not fulfill this duty, dies as a hypocrite.”

Feel the LOVE people! Feel the LOVE of Islam!

Qur’an:047.033 “Believers, obey Allah, and obey the Messenger! [he was such a fine example] Those who disbelieve and hinder men from the Cause of Allah, He will not pardon. Do not falter; become faint-hearted, or weak-kneed, crying for peace. You have the upper hand.”

In otherwords, keep on killing My good Muslims! Cries of peace are for the weak hypocrates

Qur’an:9:5Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

Now there's a some peaceful Koran, not a word of violence there! That is pure LOVE people, can't you feel it?

Qur’an:9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”
Qur’an:9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”

Just like the peaceful mafia mobsters! Feeling the LOVE of Islam yet?

Qur’an:8:39“Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”
Qur’an:8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”

I;m so excited by all this love and peace I'm reading in the Holy Koran, I feel like I've gone to heaven! I can't believe it!! Why was I reading that evil Gospel all these years! It's so full of violence compared to this!

Qur’an:9:14 “Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them.” Qur’an:8:65 “O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding.”

I think the only one devoid of understanding are media like the national post, which has the GALL to publish such a blatant LIE!

What is so bloody amazing is that Canada, with all it's hate crime laws, allows this FILTH called the Koran to be preached in that country, despite it calling for Jews and Christians, fags and every other type of infidel to be killed.

24 posted on 10/13/2006 10:16:05 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary (Bukhari:V1B1N6 “Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country.”)
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To: Pharmboy

SUBMISSION


25 posted on 10/13/2006 10:17:56 PM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Nice! Someone here in the states has to be working on it. Its just too big of a market to overlook.


26 posted on 10/13/2006 10:18:24 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Somebody important make....THE CALL!)
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To: Pharmboy
I see. So if someone says something that offends a Muslim in any way, then that automatically gives all Muslims a free pass to seek vengeance with acts of terror, murder, and unspeakable atrocities on whatever scale they choose and for however long they feel like it. No bounds. No penalties of law or basic human decency need apply. Yep. Muslims are nothing but victims and are fully entitled to transform into mass murderous thugs at will. It is their Allah-given holy right after all.

So, from now on, the entire rest of the world is on notice. Nothing may be spoken, written, or even thought about without passing it through a Muslim filter. Muslims have the first and final word on all that is and shall be. Woe is me if I offend a Muslim on a Thursday because I wear a blue shirt or for any other reason that a warped, uncivilized, primitive mind devises.

Many of my ancestors went to early graves fighting such tyranny in pursuit of true liberty and freedom of expression. I will give my life in a heartbeat defending the same, as will millions upon millions of other unassuming, God-fearing, honest, hard-working, soft-spoken Americans with very big sticks. Push our buttons just a little too hard and learn a fatal lesson.

Just like the Koran is not violent, neither are guns. In both cases, people kill people, regardless of the weapon of convenience.
27 posted on 10/13/2006 10:19:45 PM PDT by CountryBumpkin
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To: Pharmboy
Expressing their opinion is different, however, from openly denouncing or insulting the beliefs and religion of someone else.

Not necessarily!

When Muslims in the world retaliate against such opinions -- or the Danish cartoons -- they are not trying to eliminate freedom of speech.

Are too!

28 posted on 10/13/2006 10:20:01 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Pharmboy

Hey Hamid! Its an insult to MY religion when YOUR people chop off some innocent person's head! What do you think of THOSE apples, bub!


29 posted on 10/13/2006 10:21:03 PM PDT by JaguarXKE
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It just never ceases to amaze me how the muslims push this rediculous propaganda in the midst committing such violence and bloodshed and people buy it.

Amazing.


30 posted on 10/13/2006 10:21:41 PM PDT by momof9
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To: momof9

You can thank our media for that, as well as our schools which do not teach real history.
In fact our schools are now teaching Islamic religion and Islamic rewritten history to our children.

There needs to be a massive revolt in this country, and soon!


31 posted on 10/13/2006 10:32:12 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary (Bukhari:V1B1N6 “Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country.”)
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To: Pharmboy
As long as we self-censor, pay tribute (foreign aid), and allow them immigrate, we can be free; at least until they find something else to be riled up about.

WE are accepteing Dhimitude rather than fighting.

32 posted on 10/13/2006 10:44:52 PM PDT by rmlew (DeathKlok Rules!)
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To: Nathan Zachary
What is so bloody amazing is that Canada, with all it's hate crime laws, allows this FILTH called the Koran to be preached in that country, despite it calling for Jews and Christians, fags and every other type of infidel to be killed.

We've got many of the same PC laws stateside FRiend, and it is allowed as well.
33 posted on 10/13/2006 10:49:06 PM PDT by proud_yank (Socialism - An Answer In Search Of A Question For Over 100 Years)
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To: Pharmboy; fanfan; GMMAC; Clive

ping


34 posted on 10/13/2006 10:49:27 PM PDT by proud_yank (Socialism - An Answer In Search Of A Question For Over 100 Years)
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To: Pharmboy
The Koran is not 'a book of violence'

No, it's a roll of toilet paper

35 posted on 10/13/2006 11:03:55 PM PDT by Wil H
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To: Pharmboy
Islamo-fascists preach everyday about how Islam is a religion that demands VIOLENCE against infidels.

Not a peep from the "outraged muslims"

But if someone who is not an Islamo-fascist states that Islam is a violent religion...

Burning embassies and murdered nuns result.
36 posted on 10/14/2006 12:17:22 AM PDT by The Lurking Lurker
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To: Pharmboy

Even though he will not face a violent backlash from moderate Muslims, Prof. Redeker will not gain any kind of support or encouragement either.

Absolutely correct, there being no moderate muslims.


37 posted on 10/14/2006 1:45:11 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Pharmboy

Islam isn't a religion it is a hate group and should be treated accordingly.


38 posted on 10/14/2006 1:45:23 AM PDT by YdontUleaveLibs (Reason is out to lunch. How may I help you?)
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To: Pharmboy

Of course it's not a book of violence. Sure, it says kill the infidels, but according to the Koran, killing infidels isn't violence. So there you are; it's a religion of peace.


39 posted on 10/14/2006 1:52:01 AM PDT by Redcloak (Speak softly and wear a loud shirt.)
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To: Pharmboy
If this is a "moderate" Muslim, I'd hate to see an extremist. If the moderates won't stand up for freedom of speech, which includes the right to criticize and denounce Islam, they're just a bunch of wimps and spineless cowards. Robert Redeker has paid a huge price for denouncing Islamic extremism and he shouldn't take anything he said back. It ain't the much parroted Religion Of Peace naive Western liberals like to imagine it as being. Its awful bloodiness is demonstrated not only by the historical record but by what Muslims do to each other not just to the infidels.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

40 posted on 10/14/2006 1:52:56 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: plain talk

You are absolutely correct...and as time goes by more and more people are beginning to come to that same understanding. Muslims are teaching the world the truth through their actions as opposed to their words.


41 posted on 10/14/2006 1:57:31 AM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: Pharmboy

It's pretty hard to clap with one hand, wrote Hamid Rizvi, claiming that voilence is not about Islam. Yes I agree, for a raghead that makes sense, his "religion of peace" cut the other one off.


42 posted on 10/14/2006 1:57:54 AM PDT by jerryem (This is my belief,,,you don't like it? OK I have others.)
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To: goldstategop

but what Muslims do to each other?
Iraq, 600.000 dead and counting, if the British and U.S Armies pull out maybe that number will get another 00 on the end.


43 posted on 10/14/2006 2:20:45 AM PDT by jerryem (This is my belief,,,you don't like it? OK I have others.)
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To: Pharmboy

Evil exists and its name is Islam. This morning's news is all about Muslims having accepted the Pope's apology. They want a dialogue. So does North Korea...for the same reason.


44 posted on 10/14/2006 2:29:39 AM PDT by hershey
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To: Pharmboy

He shows it is muslims who are ignorant and brainwashed about their violent, evil, inhuman belief system.


45 posted on 10/14/2006 2:31:06 AM PDT by tkathy (The Real Republican (RR) way is sticking to the issues and not finger pointing.)
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To: Fred Nerks

terrific history. the israelis should be publishing the evil inhuman beginnings of this awful belief system.


46 posted on 10/14/2006 2:33:49 AM PDT by tkathy (The Real Republican (RR) way is sticking to the issues and not finger pointing.)
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To: Pharmboy
The Koran is not 'a book of violence'

It is just a handy way to carry toilet tissue...

47 posted on 10/14/2006 2:34:52 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: tkathy

"...the israelis should be publishing the evil inhuman beginnings of this awful belief system."

I used to think the same thing. Until I discovered, that just like the rest of the world, the majority of Israeli people do not know much about the history of islam.

Sad, but true.


48 posted on 10/14/2006 2:54:58 AM PDT by Fred Nerks ("Illegitimi non carborundum",)
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To: Pharmboy
"Islam values the rights of every person and their right to express their opinion."

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

....sorry.....regaining composure......damn, but this guy's a riot.........I needed that.............

49 posted on 10/14/2006 2:58:08 AM PDT by RightOnline
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To: Fred Nerks

It's said that the actual writings of Mohammad were mainly poorly written and plagarized from the jews.


50 posted on 10/14/2006 3:04:34 AM PDT by tkathy (The Real Republican (RR) way is sticking to the issues and not finger pointing.)
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