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Republicans - The Party Of Appeasement
10/14/2006 | Technomage

Posted on 10/14/2006 9:32:42 AM PDT by technomage

In conservative circles, much is made of the lefts willingness to appease terrorists, to appease rogue states. And this what they are, appeasers.

But, the Republican party cannot be left off the hook. They too have become a party of appeasement.

For some time now, the Republicans, be it the leadership or individual congressman, have been trying the appeasement route with disasterous affects.

Republicans in Congress and leadership have themselves become the appeasers, trying to appease Congressional Democrats and the media.

They have gone the appeasement route with the liberals in the Congress. No matter the results, which were absolutely predictable, the Republicans just kept trying that appeasement approach. They tried, and are still trying, to be 'compassionate' when it came to the liberals in Congress. They tried, and are still trying, to 'work together' with the liberals in Congress.

Never mind that the more they tried this approach, the more emboldened their enemies, the liberals, became. The more the Republicans tried, and are still trying, the appeasement approach, the more emboldened their enemies, the liberals, have become. The enemy has seen the weakness and stepped up their ruthless attacks.

And the Republican response: Well, if we try harder to work with them, give them a little more, maybe they will start to like us. This approach, tried over and over, has now brought the Republican party to the brink. Yet, little or no change in direction, particularly from the Republican leadership.

The Republicans are also trying this approach with the media. They are actually trying harder as they want to be 'liked' by the media in order to get their face on TV. The approach with the media has been: Well, if I criticize other Republicans or the President, the media might like me more and I get more face time. No matter that the media savages Republicans, that the media lies and conspires to throw them out of power, the Republicans kept right on with their approach.

Then we have the Republican appeasement of fellow Republicans. One thing about Congress, if something tawdry, something not quite right, something just plain illegal, is going on, you can be assured that more than one or two people know. But, Republicans became more like Democrats: Just slap them on the wrist, just ignore the problem, do not rock the boat. In other words: appease the offenders. "You better stop that activity, oh and here is a seat on a committee". Business as usual for politicians.

No matter what happens this election, one thing must change: The current Republican leadership must either change course to true conservative principles, or the leadership must be changed. From the RNC, to Rove, to Haestert, things MUST change.

The leadership approach of moderation (which is just appeasement) has failed miserably and brought the Republicans to the brink. And because of this approach, if the Democrats win, the Republicans have also put the lives of every single American in serious jeopardy as the liberals approach of appeasement to terrorists and rogue states will get many of us killed.

The liberals and the media (one and the same) smelled the blood in the water many months ago and unlike the Republicans, decided to go for the kill. And they just might succeed. Republican leadership, particularly in the Senate, has been spineless. The more their spines melted, the more the Democrats attacked. With no real counterattack, the Republicans have brought themselves to the brink.

The Republicans also tried the appeasement approach with you and me, the base, the heartland. They gave us tax cuts, they gave us two Supreme Court justices (which may end up as a positive or negative), they gave lip service on the border. They apparently thought this was enough appeasement of the conservative base to keep things the way they are.

They were mistaken.

All Republicans, from the President on down, share responsibility for this historic collapse. We can blame the media, we can blame the liberals, we can blame those stupid peeples, we can even go so far as to label people who vote Democratic as traitors (which is idiotic and childish).

But the real blame lies with the Republicans themselves. The approach of turning from conservative principles to a more 'moderate, understanding' approach has failed, period.

If the Republicans do pull out this election, things MUST change. The Republicans are fortunate in one respect: That the other side, the liberal side, is so dangerous to our safety, that it actually gives the Republicans a small chance.

If the Democrats had a cohesive message, they would probably win in a landslide of historic proportions. But all the Democrats have is hate, immorality, hate, appeasement of rogue states, hate, envy, hate, appeasement of terrorists, hate, cut and run, hate, raise your taxes, hate. That approach is the only reason why the Republicans have at least a chance.

I sure hope the Republicans pull this one out. But if they do not, we cannot blame the voters, we cannot blame the media, we can blame the spineless, moderate, appeasement approach of the Republicans themselves.

Let us only hope that they get out of that inside the beltway Washington DC mentality and realize that the more important (and successful) approach is to stick with true conservative values. It is more important to do that then it is to be invited to uppity DC parties, more important than face time on TV, more important than 'taking care of' large donors.

No matter the outcome of this election, it is time for the Republicans to clean up their own house, to go back to conservative values. And that means some drastic changes in leadership and approach.

Technomage
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1 posted on 10/14/2006 9:32:42 AM PDT by technomage
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To: technomage

How is Republican appeasement working for the Taleban, Saddam Hussein, Assad the lesser, Kim Jong Il, Islamic Fundamentalist, etc?


2 posted on 10/14/2006 9:35:00 AM PDT by msnimje (Democratic Leftists are nothing like LIBERAL. They are intolerant and intellectual cowards.)
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To: msnimje
How is Republican appeasement working for the Taleban, Saddam Hussein, Assad the lesser, Kim Jong Il, Islamic Fundamentalist, etc?

I believe you should re-read my post. Nowhere does it say, or imply, that Republicans have been appeasers to terrorists or rogue states. In fact, the post specifically mentions that it is the Democrats that do this.

3 posted on 10/14/2006 9:37:13 AM PDT by technomage (NEVER underestimate the depths to which liberals will stoop for power.)
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To: technomage
All Republicans, from the President on down, share responsibility for this historic collapse. We can blame the media, we can blame the liberals, we can blame those stupid peeples, we can even go so far as to label people who vote Democratic as traitors (which is idiotic and childish).

I will blame the voters if they allow the Dems back in power

4 posted on 10/14/2006 9:38:17 AM PDT by Mo1 (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC - BECOME A MONTHLY DONOR)
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To: technomage

The gop is too intimiated by the leftwing establishment and give it too much credence and legitimacy. Many of them are the declared enemies of America, decency, national security, and freedom.


5 posted on 10/14/2006 9:39:55 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: technomage
Never mind that the more they [the GOP] tried this [appeasement] approach, the more emboldened their enemies, the liberals, became.

Leftists are similar to Islamists in that respect. "Winning hearts and minds" and other "compassionate" measures just isn't going to work with either of them. The best approach is all-out war without regard for casualties.

6 posted on 10/14/2006 9:40:15 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: technomage

I agree with you totally. IMO, the GOP has no gonads and have, basically, rolled over in response to the untold amount of Liberal "slimeball" tactics since GW was elected. Where't their offense? All the Party has done is suck it up for years. Nice guys come in last!


7 posted on 10/14/2006 9:42:33 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: technomage

Appeasement is the wrong word. Bush and company actually love big government. They know perfectly well what they are doing and would be doing even if the Democrats disappeared tomorrow. They love, indeed are, big brother.


8 posted on 10/14/2006 9:42:37 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: msnimje

A more pertinent group to ask would be the 12 to 20 MILLION illegals here sucking the life-blood from the lower-middle class, bankrupting hospitals and welfare systems, etc., etc., ad nauseum...


9 posted on 10/14/2006 9:42:40 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: technomage

Agreed, R's have been mostly spineless in the Senate and ineffective in the House, but the Donks are much, much worse.
President Bush receives a C and not for his conservative efforts, mostly due to failure on the Immigration front, IMO.


10 posted on 10/14/2006 9:42:43 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: msnimje

By appeasing the Dems and the MSM, the GOP indirectly lends comfort to the terrorist...I think that's the point of the post. If the GOP loses either the House and/or Sen. this election, it will be because they've refused or been unable to get out and effectively fight for their positions.


11 posted on 10/14/2006 9:42:49 AM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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To: technomage

You need a 2/3 majority to do whatever you please, and the reps have the MSM slashing them continually. Please spend time criticizing the dems and not just the reps.


12 posted on 10/14/2006 9:48:42 AM PDT by tkathy (The Real Republican (RR) way is sticking to the issues and not finger pointing.)
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To: Captain Kirk
Bush and company actually love big government.

The GOP establishment doesn't even pretend to be the party of small gov't anymore. Ever since Reagan left office the party platform has been all about "a kinder, gentler nation" and "compassionate conservatism." Long past time the GOP return to its roots.

13 posted on 10/14/2006 9:49:35 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: technomage
I was going to give a arbitrary retort but I found myself agreeing with most of the points. The GOP, like every other party, has many baby boomers in it and for the most part they are the ones who are cautiously politically correct. They are the me, me, me generation and IMHO it is the reason there is much back stabbing, CYAsness in DC because it is all about the "ME". It is the PC culture that they were raised on that has brought appeasement at all levels of government. Sorry if I digress but it is my personal opinion. Let's hope the next generation will produce stronger willed individuals (If you are a Baby Boomer no offense)
14 posted on 10/14/2006 9:52:01 AM PDT by slowhand520
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To: My2Cents
By appeasing the Dems and the MSM, the GOP indirectly lends comfort to the terrorist...I think that's the point of the post. If the GOP loses either the House and/or Sen. this election, it will be because they've refused or been unable to get out and effectively fight for their positions.

In a larger sense, if the goal is to keep us safe in this hostile world, and we loose the political battle here to the Democrats, it makes no difference what we do in Iraq. Politics here at home is a major factor in keeping this country safe. Even if we win the war in Iraq, but loose the house, senate and white house to the Democrats, we are going to be far from safe.

15 posted on 10/14/2006 9:52:27 AM PDT by Random Access
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To: tkathy
You need a 2/3 majority to do whatever you please, and the reps have the MSM slashing them continually. Please spend time criticizing the dems and not just the reps.

I appreciate your response tkathy. The argument of a 2/3rds majority is moot. I have watched politics and the Republicans since 1980. It is the turn from strong conservative values to a more centrist moderate approach that has now put the Republicans in the position they are in. Reality is reality.

Oh, I have spent a great deal of time and numerous posts over the years severly criticizing the Dims, as I did in this post also.

It is unfortunate that you feel we cannot point out the flaws of the current approach and hope they can turn it around in time.

16 posted on 10/14/2006 9:57:34 AM PDT by technomage (NEVER underestimate the depths to which liberals will stoop for power.)
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To: slowhand520

Very good points slowhand520. I agree.


17 posted on 10/14/2006 9:58:24 AM PDT by technomage (NEVER underestimate the depths to which liberals will stoop for power.)
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To: technomage
I have to agree with this post.

Several people on FR have correctly pointed out that Islam has declared war on America, but America has not acknowledged that fact.

Similarly, the democrats have declared war on the republicans, but the republicans have not acknowledged that fact.

They need to.

18 posted on 10/14/2006 9:58:51 AM PDT by Washi (Support the country you live in, or go live in the country you support.)
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To: technomage
Well said!

Grab hold of something steady and don your flame retardant clothing, however. For the blindly faithful will come at you hard for questioning the power of the "Big R".

19 posted on 10/14/2006 10:06:52 AM PDT by ImpBill ("America ... Where are you now?")
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To: technomage

technomage, I agree!

Republicans are hardly acting like the majority party. Democrats seem much more united on many topics, and have suceeded in blocking so many conservative agenda items that the "majority" status seems almost worthless at times.


20 posted on 10/14/2006 10:07:57 AM PDT by Joann37
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To: ImpBill
Grab hold of something steady and don your flame retardant clothing, however

Suit on, ready for combat!!

21 posted on 10/14/2006 10:08:42 AM PDT by technomage (NEVER underestimate the depths to which liberals will stoop for power.)
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To: WashingtonSource

I agree...they need to fight the dirty fight like the leftists do but fight against the leftists....I am so sick and tired of watching them cave in...


22 posted on 10/14/2006 10:16:48 AM PDT by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: Mo1

Freepers must remember, the GOP and Dems do not have a majority amongst the voters. 15 to 20 percent are independents and they hold the balance of power. If the GOP loses, it is because the independents swung heavilly towards the Dems. For the independents, they do not see much of a difference between GOP and Dems. If they sense there is a need for change they will vote the incumbents out of office and replace it with the opposition. If the GOP loses they lost because they could not convince the independents to vote for them.


23 posted on 10/14/2006 10:16:50 AM PDT by Fee
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To: Joann37

Sheep in sheeps clothing is a very good description of the GOP these days. Nevertheless, I will be voting straight GOP ticket this year because the alternative is socialism and perversion.


24 posted on 10/14/2006 10:19:17 AM PDT by Mogollon
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To: slowhand520; technomage
Well I am a "boomer" and I don't take personal offense.

However it seems shallow, at best, to lump us all into a "blame them group".

Those who lead have been dividing us into smaller and smaller groups, all at each others throats for a piece of the pie, for so long now. And we follow, blindly. To the extent, that we have almost all, willingly, become some type of "hypenated-American" with the "me, me, me" mentality.

Please, in your endeavor to fix "blame" elsewhere, don't forget the multiple hundreds of thousands of "Boomers" who served this nation in honor and selflessness, leaving 55,000 of our brothers and sisters lying dead on the field of battle for the Ideal of America, when most of the American "parent" generation sat on the sidelines in quiet dumbness and then watched as we came home to be spit upon and reviled in many unthinkable ways.

We must all shoulder a portion of the responsibility for where we are today. Until we do, we are doomed as a culture and the "Republic" along with us.

25 posted on 10/14/2006 10:20:46 AM PDT by ImpBill ("America ... Where are you now?")
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To: technomage

Go back to DU troll! < /GOP bootlicker >


26 posted on 10/14/2006 10:22:13 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: technomage

Great post BTW. Remember Trent Lott's ridiculous "power-sharing" agreement with then-Senate minority leader Daschle?


27 posted on 10/14/2006 10:23:51 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: msnimje
"How is Republican appeasement working for the Taleban, Saddam Hussein, Assad the lesser, Kim Jong Il, Islamic Fundamentalist, etc?"

Well, let's see here.

Taliban: Bush has them on the run, has killed thousands of them. But they won't go away, and he hasn't been able to crush them. This isn't his fault though, and it certainly doesn't amount to appeasement. Although I was appalled recently to learn that we had two hundred Taliban leaders all standing in a small formation and we had the armed drone at the ready to kill them, but we let them live because they were standing on "sacred ground". This disgusting incident was, in fact, an nausiating act of appeasement.

Saddam Hussein: Overthrown by Bush, but Bush is appeasing the new Iraqi "government" and the Iraqi people like a true politically correct moderate with liberal leanings. People like the militant mullah Sadre are allowed to live and prosper, even though he has the most potent militia in Iraq and has engaged U.S. and Iraqi troops in combat many times, and even though he controls a multitutde of stooges in the Iraqi government. This is pure appeasement.

Kim jon Il = Appeasement, and nothing but appeasement. President Bush has labeled this man "evil" and dangerous to world peace, but when little midget tyrant fired seven missiles over the sea of Japan recently, Bush did nothing. Now the little fat dictator has tested a nuke, against the will of the entire world, and Bush does...... nothing. "We will not attack or invade North Korea", he stated.

Islamic fundamentalists: = Window dressing, appeasement at its best. We have spent a massive amount of money, (1/2 trillion dollars), and time, (three years), on killing only a few thousand of them. Even if we have killed, say, 10,000 "radical" muslims, the cost has been prohibitively high due to the way Bush has defined our enemy, (way too narrowly), and also due to his appeasing, PC "rules of engagement".

We fight in Iraq with the tightest of any restraints ever placed on an invading army, and we pay a heavy prive for it. I don't need to get into details about how many of our warriors are rotting in prisons, charged with 'war crimes'; and how many others have been charged with 'war crimes' and had to fight for their lives to get acquitted from these bogus charges. Bush's appeasing response? Order the U.S. Marines to undergo "sensitivity training".

Club Gitmo: More appeasement. These murderers and war criminals are being treated like royalty. Air conditioning, prayer mats, three square meals, korans that are placed in sanitary containers in their cells so they'll know that no filthy 'infidel' has touched it and 'defiled' it. Top quality food and medical attention.............. these animals are absolutey living life far more comfortably than our own troops are, and far more comfortable than most civilian prisoners in the U.S. APPEASEMENT, with a capital "A".

Defining our enemy: President Bush narrowly defines our enemy as "radical islamists who have 'hijacked' a, ahem, 'great religion'. The rest of islam are a "peaceful religion". blech.

Every terror expert in the world agrees that terror is growing in leaps and bounds, worldwide, which point to the obvious conclusion that "terrorsts" are just typical muslims who are following the tenets of their demonic book, the koran. We kill ten, twenty take their place. Kill 1,000, 5,000 take their place. This is of course because islam is NOT a 'religion of peace', but a religion of blood-letting barbarians who seek to conquer the world through any means possible, with terrorism being their most modern tool.

Illegal immigration: Bush is a liberal do-nothing President when it comes to our borders. He desires amnesty for up to 20,000,000 illegal aliens, and his new 'border control' measures are window dressing. President Horge Bush is the grande appeaser of the illegal invaders.

Though Bush is surely better than any and every liberal democrat, he is none-the-less a politically correct, moderate appeaser himself. Bush is a step-up from the Democrats, but at a time in history when we need a President who is the entire stairway up from the liberals.

28 posted on 10/14/2006 10:24:59 AM PDT by TheCrusader
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To: ImpBill
Please, in your endeavor to fix "blame" elsewhere,

With all due respect, I believe it is the Congressional Republicans themselves, along with the leadership, that bare a great deal of blame for the position they now find themselves. True, voters bare some responsibility, the media bares some responsibility, the liberals, but it is the Republicans themselves that, I believe, bare the brunt of blame.

How many hundreds of posts here on FR have we seen over the past 2, 3, 4 years complaining about Republican lack of spine, of Republican capitulation on numerous subjects, of Republican lack of action on borders, etc.

They still have a small window of opportunity to turn this around, but that window is closing fast. I will be voting Republican, but I am not sure how the majority of the peeples will vote.

don't forget the multiple hundreds of thousands of "Boomers" who served this nation in honor and selflessness, leaving 55,000 of our brothers and sisters lying dead on the field of battle for the Ideal of America, when most of the American "parent" generation sat on the sidelines in quiet dumbness and then watched as we came home to be spit upon and reviled in many unthinkable ways.

For God's sake ImpBill, how did my post give you the impression that I have forgotten those sacrifices? I actually do take offense at that. I cannot understand how you came to that conclusion.

29 posted on 10/14/2006 10:29:44 AM PDT by technomage (NEVER underestimate the depths to which liberals will stoop for power.)
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To: Fee
15 to 20 percent are independents and they hold the balance of power.

I really don't buy this argument and even the Great Limbaugh has debunked it time and time again.

That there is a huge swath of "independent" voters "frustrated" with the political process is ludicrous. If the GOP sticks to a strong conservative message, these people will be won over easily. See Reagan's landslides and the 1994 Republican Congressional takeover for examples.

All this talk about "middle of the road," "centrist," and "moderate" is nothing more than DNC/media ruses to move the ideological hash marks further and further to the left.

30 posted on 10/14/2006 10:32:17 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Mo1
I will blame the voters if they allow the Dems back in power



"Blame the voters" is the approach that the left uses when they lose elections. Are we incapable of critical self appraisal in the face of electoral setbacks as well? I agree with the author of this article, the GOP deserves a large share of the blame. Instead of facing possible defeat in November, the GOP should be on the verge of finishing off the Dems as a national party. There is ABSOLUTELY NO excuse for losing to the current Democratic Party.
31 posted on 10/14/2006 10:57:34 AM PDT by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: rob777
I admit the republican party needs work

But there is not a chance in hell I would ever vote for and hand control back over to the Dems so they can basically give our country to the UN
32 posted on 10/14/2006 11:07:51 AM PDT by Mo1 (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC - BECOME A MONTHLY DONOR)
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To: Mo1
But there is not a chance in hell I would ever vote for and hand control back over to the Dems so they can basically give our country to the





I cringe at the prospect of the Dems regaining political control, but if it happens, there is NO WAY that I will ignore the fact that a great deal of the blame will rest with the GOP leadership. I am not convinced yet that the Dems will regain control. Either way, the GOP needs to clean out its current leadership.
33 posted on 10/14/2006 11:18:15 AM PDT by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: ImpBill
Points well taken. I did say in most instances. And there are exceptions to the rule. Obviously the ones who have given the ultimate sacrifice cannot be lumped into the category. Yet you cannot deny the "tsunami" of the baby boom generation. My point is that our leaders today who fall in the Boomer generation are a victim of sociology rather than ideology.

Watch every retirement commercial and tell me that the baby Boomers aren't self absorbed. We have to be reminded constantly that they were the generation that made a difference. That they were the generation of revolution. And what are the images that Fidelity, Met Life and other insurance companies force down out throat? The 60's, protest, Vietnam and every other baby boomer synonyms. When the WWII generation they did so quietly. Not needing advertising to tell us how special they are. Again there are exceptions and they are the ones who gave the ultimate sacrifice but for the most part the Baby Boom generation has bought us promiscuous sex, a drug culture, entitlement mentality, warm fuzziness and pseudo ailments.
34 posted on 10/14/2006 12:39:19 PM PDT by slowhand520
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

You misinterpret my posting. Independents do exist, and they want distinct comparisons between GOP and Dems. Most independents vary on social issues, but they want problems solved, low taxes, ethical government, fiancially responsible government, against open borders and etc. These are their common ground with conservatives. When the GOP Congress expands government spending, earmarks and etc, GWB keeps talking about amnesty, GOP senators opposing border fence, the distinction is starting to blurr. If the independents see GOP not much different from Dems, then the Dems and their allies in the MSM will create negative impressions to sway the independents that it is a time for change because life under the Dems will be no different than the current GOP and to take a chance with the Dem opposition.


35 posted on 10/14/2006 12:46:56 PM PDT by Fee
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To: technomage
You were just a courtesy copy in that it is your thread and the other gent seemed to want to "blame" the Boomer Generation. Remember, I already agreed with you and what you posted.

I am glad you will be voting and watching. I am not sure if I will even grace the polls with my presence. If I don't it will be the first time since 1967, when I was first able to vote (age 21). But I will more than likely go and do my "duty". Greg Adams
Brownsville, TX (On the other front line)

36 posted on 10/14/2006 4:15:35 PM PDT by ImpBill ("America ... Where are you now?")
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To: slowhand520
Ahhhhhhhhhh, you speak of all the "Boomers" that got the MSM attention in the 60's. Same bunch getting the attention today, but a small vocal minority, as far as I was and am now concerned.

Tens of thousands in the streets, while hundreds of thousands of us served an ungrateful nation.

Perhaps the MSM and those who place all their trust in it can really find their place in the "blame game".

Again, my point is that "we" all need to accept responsibility for where we have gotten and "we" all need to make the changes we can to restore Constitutional Republican Democracy to our once great Republic.

Have a great day and God Bless America, again!

Greg Adams
Brownsville, TX (On the other Front Line)

37 posted on 10/14/2006 4:20:35 PM PDT by ImpBill ("America ... Where are you now?")
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To: ImpBill
You were just a courtesy copy in that it is your thread and the other gent seemed to want to "blame" the Boomer Generation. Remember, I already agreed with you and what you posted.

I am glad you will be voting and watching. I am not sure if I will even grace the polls with my presence. If I don't it will be the first time since 1967, when I was first able to vote (age 21). But I will more than likely go and do my "duty". Greg Adams Brownsville, TX (On the other front line)

Thank you for the clarification.

Look, as crappy as the Republicans have been on many things over the past few years, the Deathocrats would be a disaster that this country may not be able to handle.

Pinch your nose and vote Republican!

IF, and I know it is a big if, the Republicans do retain power, I believe we have a better chance of getting them to change their ways then we do with slimy liberals.

38 posted on 10/14/2006 4:48:06 PM PDT by technomage (NEVER underestimate the depths to which liberals will stoop for power.)
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To: technomage

BUMP


39 posted on 10/15/2006 3:58:31 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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