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Senate Candidates Divided On Immigration Issue (Harris, Nelson)
WESH TV Channel 2 Winter Park, FL ^ | 10-14-06 | Greg Fox

Posted on 10/14/2006 5:36:22 PM PDT by JulieRNR21

Senate Candidates Divided On Immigration Issue

The two candidates for U.S. Senate find themselves on opposite sides of the battle over immigration reform.

Republican Katherine Harris is attacking incumbent Democrat Sen. Bill Nelson, saying he wants to give a free ride to citizenship for people living in this country illegally.

A recent survey shows illegal immigration is a top concern among Florida voters, WESH 2 News reported

In fact, more voters said they're worried more about immigration than they are about terrorism or the war in Iraq.

Willie Telismon said he doesn't mind grueling work. Picking fruit pays little, but he said he's proud to say he's received his immigrant working papers after coming to this country illegally.

More than 800,000 illegal immigrants are working in Florida, mostly in low-paying jobs.

Even for those who attain U.S. citizenship, the process can take two or more years.

Demonstrators who have marched in protest of current immigration laws are demanding citizenship for 12 million illegal immigrants in the U.S.

"We just want to have the American dream like everyone else," said Elias Piccard, who marched in a recent rally.

"We just want to be treated fairly. We want to be treated like humans. And sometimes we're not," Adriana Ortiz said.

Illegal immigrants are committing themselves to hard work, but a new study shows they're costing Florida taxpayers more than $4 billion per year in health care, education and other social programs. Another study shows only half pay taxes.

Harris voted for the U.S. House bill that proposes building a fence along the Mexican border and holding employers criminally liable if they hire illegal aliens. Nelson supports a plan passed by the Senate that would give some illegal immigrants a path to citizenship, but he does not call that amnesty.

"You take a portion of those and you send them back, but a portion of them that are needed for the labor supply, they can't have a criminal record, they have to pay back taxes and fines, they have to learn English, and they have to have a full-time job of employment," he said.

"We differ strongly on that point. The bill that he supports, tens of millions of new citizens would come into our country. Tens of millions. Up to 100 million new citizens. And at a cost of $50 billion annually in social services alone," Harris said. "Those are dollars that our taxpayers, everyday citizens are incurring for an act against our law."

It is an important decision for voters. No compromise bill has been forged, and whoever wins the Senate race next month will play an important role in deciding which immigration law is passed.

It's an easy choice, WESH 2 political reporter Greg Fox reported. If you're a hard-liner on illegal immigration, Harris may be your candidate. If citizenship for millions of illegal immigrants is OK with you, Nelson might be your choice.


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: amnesty; florida; illegals; katherineharris
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1 posted on 10/14/2006 5:36:23 PM PDT by JulieRNR21
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To: windchime; danamco; PhilDragoo; MinuteGal; Mase; Nick Danger; mission9; pleikumud; Dominick; ...

A recent survey shows illegal immigration is a top concern among Florida voters, WESH 2 News reported

In fact, more voters said they're worried more about immigration than they are about terrorism or the war in Iraq.


2 posted on 10/14/2006 5:38:07 PM PDT by JulieRNR21 (Volunteer Now...to get out the GOP Vote.......or the Dems will be in charge! Yikes!)
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To: rodguy911; tiredoflaundry; SE Mom

ping...


3 posted on 10/14/2006 5:43:20 PM PDT by Txsleuth (FREEPATHON TIME--You need FR, you know you do, so please don't forget to donate!!)
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To: JulieRNR21

She has no prayer of winning.
She would have been lucky to hold her House seat.


4 posted on 10/14/2006 5:43:49 PM PDT by indianrightwinger
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To: JulieRNR21
I hope this plays prominently in her TV ads I think Nelson would hang himself with this issue.p>
5 posted on 10/14/2006 5:48:14 PM PDT by CremeSaver
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To: indianrightwinger

The topic of this thread is the illegal immigration issue & how Harris & Nelson differ on that issue!


6 posted on 10/14/2006 5:49:23 PM PDT by JulieRNR21 (Volunteer Now...to get out the GOP Vote.......or the Dems will be in charge! Yikes!)
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To: JulieRNR21

Katherine needs to get the message out that Nelson ALSO voted AGAINST the ban on partial birth abortion, and voted AGAINST the Patriot Act.

I wonder how many dumbed-down Floridians will vote for POS Nelson in spite of his dismal girlyman record. Nelson is a complete embarrassment to Florida.

GO KATHERINE HARRIS!


7 posted on 10/14/2006 5:50:40 PM PDT by goresalooza (Nurses Rock!)
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To: indianrightwinger

I don't believe either of your statements.


8 posted on 10/14/2006 5:50:42 PM PDT by CremeSaver
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To: CremeSaver

I agree. Harris opposes amnesty & Nelson voted for it and also to give illegals social security!

I think she'll make sure the voters know the truth!


9 posted on 10/14/2006 5:51:06 PM PDT by JulieRNR21 (Volunteer Now...to get out the GOP Vote.......or the Dems will be in charge! Yikes!)
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To: goresalooza; Sam Ketcham

Excerpt:

"We differ strongly on that point. The bill that he supports, tens of millions of new citizens would come into our country. Tens of millions. Up to 100 million new citizens. And at a cost of $50 billion annually in social services alone," Harris said. "Those are dollars that our taxpayers, everyday citizens are incurring for an act against our law."

It is an important decision for voters. No compromise bill has been forged, and whoever wins the Senate race next month will play an important role in deciding which immigration law is passed.

It's an easy choice, WESH 2 political reporter Greg Fox reported. If you're a hard-liner on illegal immigration, Harris may be your candidate. If citizenship for millions of illegal immigrants is OK with you, Nelson might be your choice.


10 posted on 10/14/2006 5:53:32 PM PDT by JulieRNR21 (Volunteer Now...to get out the GOP Vote.......or the Dems will be in charge! Yikes!)
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To: JulieRNR21

The real topic is FL Senate race.......

Nelson has a lock on it because of the weak candidate on our side.

He was beatable, unfortunately.


11 posted on 10/14/2006 5:54:45 PM PDT by indianrightwinger
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To: JulieRNR21

>>A recent survey shows illegal immigration is a top concern among Florida voters, WESH 2 News reported

In fact, more voters said they're worried more about immigration than they are about terrorism or the war in Iraq. <<

True, but Katherine Harris seems to be a late convert to this issue !


12 posted on 10/14/2006 5:55:33 PM PDT by marc costanzo
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To: indianrightwinger

What happening in CA regarding illegals & amnesty?

Is it as big an issue in CA as it is in FL?


13 posted on 10/14/2006 5:57:05 PM PDT by JulieRNR21 (Volunteer Now...to get out the GOP Vote.......or the Dems will be in charge! Yikes!)
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To: indianrightwinger
She has no prayer of winning.

We will see on election day.

She would have been lucky to hold her House seat.

She threw her hat in the race fair and square. She won her primary.

14 posted on 10/14/2006 5:57:28 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: JulieRNR21

It is a big issue.....and the candidate who promotes illegals and amnesty has better chance of winning.......California is weird!


15 posted on 10/14/2006 5:58:27 PM PDT by indianrightwinger
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To: marc costanzo

Not late at all. She's been talking about Nelson's votes for many months!

She came out early in support of a more secure border and the frnce!


16 posted on 10/14/2006 5:58:33 PM PDT by JulieRNR21 (Volunteer Now...to get out the GOP Vote.......or the Dems will be in charge! Yikes!)
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To: indianrightwinger
Nelson has a lock on it because of the weak candidate on our side.

Other top FL Republicans declined to run against him.

Harris did, and beat the 3 losers in the primary.

So, your griping is irrational.

17 posted on 10/14/2006 5:58:45 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

No quarrel with her winning the primary fair and square.
I still think she is a weak candidate the GOP could have nominated.


18 posted on 10/14/2006 5:59:24 PM PDT by indianrightwinger
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To: indianrightwinger

I lived in CA in the 90's. We decided to move to Florida because of the high taxes the illegal problem had created.


19 posted on 10/14/2006 6:02:13 PM PDT by JulieRNR21 (Volunteer Now...to get out the GOP Vote.......or the Dems will be in charge! Yikes!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Agreed on all points.

Griping only because a weakling like Nelson is going to head back to the Senate......


20 posted on 10/14/2006 6:02:21 PM PDT by indianrightwinger
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To: marc costanzo

21 posted on 10/14/2006 6:04:38 PM PDT by JulieRNR21 (Volunteer Now...to get out the GOP Vote.......or the Dems will be in charge! Yikes!)
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To: indianrightwinger
I still think she is a weak candidate the GOP could have nominated.

Do you even know what a primary is?

If she was a weak candidate, then the primary would have been the time to eliminate her.

Like I said, other prominent Republicans declined to run for the seat. So, she beat the competition and is the nominee.

So, you either support her or you support Nelson.

22 posted on 10/14/2006 6:06:25 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: indianrightwinger

The FL GOP grassroots are working hard to GOTV! Crist is very popular....he can pull up the ticket!

It ain't over!
The only poll that matters is on November 7 th.


23 posted on 10/14/2006 6:06:55 PM PDT by JulieRNR21 (Volunteer Now...to get out the GOP Vote.......or the Dems will be in charge! Yikes!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Of course, of the two, I support her.

My money donations will be going to other closer races though.


24 posted on 10/14/2006 6:09:51 PM PDT by indianrightwinger
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Do you even know what a primary is? If she was a weak candidate, then the primary would have been the time to eliminate her.

Do you honestly believe that the result of that primary showed her to be a strong candidate? She had 100% name ID against no-names with no money. She couldn't even get a majority of the vote.

25 posted on 10/14/2006 6:12:12 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Republican Wildcat
Do you honestly believe that the result of that primary showed her to be a strong candidate? She had 100% name ID against no-names with no money. She couldn't even get a majority of the vote.

It's her fault that she didn't have better competition?

Jeb, Franks, Bense....where were these guys?

Whatever. She got 50% of the primary vote. That's all that matters. I support Harris and hopes she wins. If she doesn't, hey, she has an impressive background and can easily get a job in the private sector.

26 posted on 10/14/2006 6:17:16 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Republican Wildcat

Is there an illegal problem in Kentucky?

Is it an important issue in your state races?

Do you have any conservative candidates who oppose amnesty and want stronger border security?

It's the #1 issue in Florida!


27 posted on 10/14/2006 6:21:44 PM PDT by JulieRNR21 (Volunteer Now...to get out the GOP Vote.......or the Dems will be in charge! Yikes!)
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To: JulieRNR21
I'm hoping that come Nov. 8 we have a new Senator. I absolutely despise Nelson and I'm not all that fond of Martinez. We need a true conservative representing Florida.

For all the naysayers: How about a little support instead of all the negativity?

28 posted on 10/14/2006 6:32:29 PM PDT by CremeSaver
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To: indianrightwinger; JulieRNR21; Nick Danger; getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL

"She has no prayer of winning.
She would have been lucky..."



That sounds like a curse. How about a blessing instead--and some get out the vote campaign district walking?

Some of us are praying for a WIN and don't believe in LUCK.

Godspeed Mrs. Harris!


29 posted on 10/14/2006 6:35:17 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: CremeSaver
How about a little support instead of all the negativity?

They're too busy supporting clowns like Chafee & Lieberman.

30 posted on 10/14/2006 6:42:03 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: JulieRNR21
It is an important decision for voters. No compromise bill has been forged, and whoever wins the Senate race next month will play an important role in deciding which immigration law is passed.

Certainly simplifies the choice.

HARRIS FIGHTS AGAINST NELSON’S COSTLY IMMIGRATION AGENDA (Florida)

 

31 posted on 10/14/2006 6:46:35 PM PDT by windchime (I consider the left one of the fronts on the WOT.)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

Some of us are praying for a WIN and don't believe in LUCK.



BRAVO BUMP


32 posted on 10/14/2006 6:46:59 PM PDT by JulieRNR21 (Volunteer Now...to get out the GOP Vote.......or the Dems will be in charge! Yikes!)
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To: JulieRNR21

Well said Julie!!!


33 posted on 10/14/2006 6:48:05 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: CremeSaver

I have not seen one ad from her.


34 posted on 10/14/2006 6:49:00 PM PDT by kara37
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To: JulieRNR21; All

Click on the link http://rajforcongress.com/default.asp and watch the video with the elephant at the border.

Don't buy what politicians lie about the border -- they don't care at all!


35 posted on 10/14/2006 6:52:15 PM PDT by soccer_maniac (OPEC gets $620 billion/year - How much are you contributing ?)
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To: indianrightwinger
If he was so beatable, why didn't Jeb Bush run for the Senate since he can't run for governor again.

I'm tired of hearing FReepers bash Harris when no one else wanted to run.
37 posted on 10/14/2006 6:56:06 PM PDT by BW2221
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To: indianrightwinger

she would have held her seat in a landslide.

Apparently, you know nothing about her district.


38 posted on 10/14/2006 6:56:46 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: JulieRNR21
Is there an illegal problem in Kentucky?

Yes. Is it an important issue in your state races?

No. Do you have any conservative candidates who oppose amnesty and want stronger border security?

Yes. It's the #1 issue in Florida!

I somehow doubt that...but I'm not there so who knows.

39 posted on 10/14/2006 7:15:31 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: JulieRNR21
Good evening my FRiend. I hope this post finds you and Richard doing well.

Long time no see. Maybe we can get together at Ms. Harris' victory party in November. Keep up the good work.

5.56mm

40 posted on 10/14/2006 7:17:03 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: BW2221

It's my understanding that his wife, Columba wanted a break from politics. The word is she didn't want Jeb running for any office!


41 posted on 10/14/2006 7:17:21 PM PDT by JulieRNR21 (Volunteer Now...to get out the GOP Vote.......or the Dems will be in charge! Yikes!)
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To: Republican Wildcat

According to this TV station:

A recent survey shows illegal immigration is a top concern among Florida voters, WESH 2 News reported.

In fact, more voters said they're worried more about immigration than they are about terrorism or the war in Iraq.


42 posted on 10/14/2006 7:19:02 PM PDT by JulieRNR21 (Volunteer Now...to get out the GOP Vote.......or the Dems will be in charge! Yikes!)
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To: M Kehoe

Good evening!

It would be great to see you and The First Lady at the Harris Victory Party!


43 posted on 10/14/2006 7:20:10 PM PDT by JulieRNR21 (Volunteer Now...to get out the GOP Vote.......or the Dems will be in charge! Yikes!)
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To: soccer_maniac; Extremely Extreme Extremist; bill1952; BW2221

Poll: Immigration Could Decide Tight Races
[Issue Could Be Decisive in Many Battleground Contests]

A new poll examines the views of likely voters nationally and in 14 contested Senate and House races. The findings show strong majorities of Americans want immigration laws enforced and illegal immigrants to go home. One of the strongest findings is that the public overwhelmingly opposes increases in legal immigration of the kind found in the bill passed earlier this year by the Senate.

The results are surprisingly consistent across the country, both in terms of how voters see the problem, and what they want done about it. Unlike many other polls, the survey uses neutral language and avoids terms like “amnesty” and “illegal alien.” The survey was done by the polling company inc. for the Center for Immigration Studies.

In addition to a national poll, detailed polling on immigration was done in four contested Senate races -- Missouri, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Montana -- and in 10 contested House races: Arizona 5th, Connecticut 4th, Indiana 8th, Kentucky 4th, Pennsylvania 6th, Texas 17th, Louisiana 3rd, Georgia 8th, Colorado 7th, and Ohio 6th.

The results are embargoed until Monday, October 16, at 9:30 a.m. Advance copies are available to the media. The data will be available online at www.cis.org

---Mark Krikorian, CIS
October 11, 2006


44 posted on 10/14/2006 7:43:54 PM PDT by JulieRNR21 (Volunteer Now...to get out the GOP Vote.......or the Dems will be in charge! Yikes!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist; kara37
I guess supporting RINO's has always paid off at least before this year, we have enough of them in congress to prove that.

I have not seen any ads from Rep. Harris either. I think she will wait until closer to the election and than there will be a TV and newspaper blitz. Money may be an issue as I don't think that she is getting much from the RNC senatorial committee. The RNC is pouring money into Chaffee's campaign. It doesn't seem to matter who the primary voters choose they almost ignore us in an effort to keep "the club" intact.

I get so crazy over the choices that the RNC makes. Arlen Specter comes to mind.

45 posted on 10/14/2006 8:10:49 PM PDT by CremeSaver
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To: JulieRNR21
From the article: "More than 800,000 illegal immigrants ... costing Florida taxpayers more than $4 billion per year ..."

Let's see. That would be $5000 per illegal. I wish somebody would give me $5000. Do you think if I went to Mexico they would .... No, of course not.

46 posted on 10/14/2006 8:42:52 PM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: BW2221

Of course, anyone who's been following the illegal immigration issue knows that Bush's "comprehensive" plan is a code word for amnesty. But some of us aren't as dumb as he thinks. It's ironic but Nelson and Bush agree more than Bush and Harris!


47 posted on 10/14/2006 9:30:51 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: JulieRNR21
As Sam Ketcham would say, "NS Dick Tracey". As I said I voted, yes and Buchanan BUT for 1 Dem and left a lot of State offices BLANK just to show that Rove and Bush's strategy of playing hard ball with the electorate will have consequences in 2008 unless Rove and Bush wake up. "Meni, meni, meni" The writing is on the wall!
48 posted on 10/14/2006 9:34:37 PM PDT by Sam Ketcham (Amnesty means vote dilution, increased taxes to bring them UP to the Poverty Level!)
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To: JulieRNR21

>>What happening in CA regarding illegals & amnesty?

Is it as big an issue in CA as it is in FL? <<

California has already gone Third World !

We waited too long to deal with this issue, without politically incorrect solutions - -

result: Leftwing democrats took over this state completely .

Hopefully it is not too late for Florida .

Where illegals take over, so do the CommunistCrats !


49 posted on 10/14/2006 9:50:46 PM PDT by marc costanzo
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To: JulieRNR21

Isn't discussing the Nelson-Harris "race" a waste of good bandwidth?


50 posted on 10/14/2006 10:10:51 PM PDT by montag813
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