Skip to comments.Confessions of a 'Defeatocrat'
Posted on 10/15/2006 1:08:48 AM PDT by John Carey
The Republicans are running scared. In the White House, on Capitol Hill and on the campaign trail, they're worried about losing control of Congress. And so the administration and the GOP have launched a desperate assault on Democrats and our position on the war in Iraq. Defeatists, they call us, and appeasers and -- oh so cleverly -- "Defeatocrats."
Vice President Cheney has accused Democrats of "self-defeating pessimism." Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld has faulted us for believing that "vicious extremists can be appeased." The White House calls Democrats the party of "cut and run."
It's all baseless name-calling, and it's all wrong. Unless, of course, being a Defeatocrat means taking a good hard look at the administration's Iraq policy and determining that it's a failure.
In that case, count me in. Because Democrats recognize that we're headed for a far greater disaster in Iraq if we don't change course -- and soon. This is not defeatism. This is realism.
Our troops who are putting their lives on the line deserve a plan that matches our military prowess with diplomatic and political skill. They deserve a clear and achievable mission and they deserve to know precisely what it will take to accomplish it. They deserve answers, not spin.
Our military has done all it can do in Iraq, and the Iraqis want their occupation to end. I support bringing our troops home at the earliest practicable date, at a rate that will keep those remaining there safe on the ground. It's time that the White House and the GOP start working with Democrats in Congress to come up with a reasonable timetable for withdrawal and for handing the Iraqi government over to the Iraqis.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
Yep, that's what all the Democrat scumbags say: "Change course." "Bush is wrong on Iraq." Etc. Etc.
Never ONCE have I heard any SPECIFIC proposals from the Democrats on what they would do differently in Iraq and what SPECIFIC results they would expect from their proposals. All they have are meaningless soundbites like "change course".
100 + years later, and it is the same old story from the same treasonous party:
"The Peace Democrats were opposed to the war and would have accepted a negotiated peace resulting in an independent Confederacy. Most Peace Democrats were from the midwestern states of Ohio, Illinois, and Indiana, but political dissent was widespread throughout the North. Midwesterners had close economic and sentimental ties with the South, and many of them bitterly opposed the Union's war against what one of them called "the injured, incensed, downtrodden people of the South."
In 1861, Republicans started calling antiwar Democrats "copperheads", likening them to the poisonous snake. By 1863, the Peace Democrats had accepted the label, but for them the copper "head" was the likeness of Liberty on the copper penny, and they proudly wore pennies as badges.
The Copperheads mounted a forceful and sustained protest against the Lincoln administration's policies and conduct. The most popular of the Copperheads was Democratic Congressman Clement L. Vallandigham, who in 1862 introduced a bill in Congress to imprison the President. Instead, Vallandigham and a host of other Democrats, including judges, newspaper editors, politicians, and antiwar activists, were arrested and imprisoned without trial on the orders of Lincoln and Secretary of War Stanton, who had decided to take off their gloves in dealing with persons "guilty of any disloyal practice".
Fascinating Fact: At the 1864 Democratic convention, Vallandigham persuaded the party to adopt a platform that declared the war a failure and called for negotiations with the Confederacy. "
Its about time we took a page from our history.
The implication is that if the White House and the GOP are dumb and wrong, the Democrats and Murtha must be right and smart simply by virtue of their disagreement. This is lazy thinking at its worst.
Joe Biden is the only Democrat that has outlined a specific strategy, and it involves subdividing Iraq into three ethnically-dominated sectors -- Sunni, Shiite, and Kurdish. This supposedly would end sectarian violence, but the stickier and more important question of how to share oil money to the satisfaction of all when the majority of the crude comes from the persecuted Kurdistan region goes unanswered.
"Never ONCE have I heard any SPECIFIC proposals from the Democrats on what they would do differently in Iraq and what SPECIFIC results they would expect from their proposals. All they have are meaningless soundbites like "change course".
Nor does the DBM ask that question!! Just continues to give stories like this coverage.
Same story posted earlier under a different name and source...
Rep. Murtha blasts GOP for name-calling
© 2006 The Associated Press
WASHINGTON Rep. John Murtha, a decorated Marine veteran who favors withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq, wrote an essay for Sunday's Washington Post blasting Republicans for referring to him and other Iraq war opponents as "Defeatocrats."
Frankly, between a Democrats .....or a Defeatocrats .... I think the later fits perfectly!!!
Well where Murthafurka is concerned, the correct term is Faggocrat....which I took pleasure in calling him
oops - sorry
Rep. Murtha blasts GOP for name-calling
some were not convinced that Iraq was accelerating the development of nuclear weapons and had an active chemical and biological weapons program; and almost all believed that Iraq was not involved in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
Wasn't their cry that Iraq had no wmds at all and no ties to terrorism or al-quaeda at all? Is it me or has their war cry shifted on that issue again?
Was Gen. Eric K. Shinseki, former Army chief of staff, a defeatist when he said that it would take several hundred thousand troops to prevail in Iraq
I support bringing our troops home at the earliest practicable date
We don't have enough troops there so even less would be the answer. Thanks for that little gem.
Democrats also identified shortfalls in body armor, armored vehicles and electronic jammers to defeat roadside bombs. Democrats uncovered problems with the military readiness of our ground forces in the United States and fought for measures to restore it. That's hardly defeatist.
Nice try murtha but the only measure you put forth to increase the readiness of troops in the U.S. is to pull out of Iraq.
Well Senator, I gave you a chance, I read the entire column that the post provided you and all you have is defeatism. Not one idea to improve the situation. Not one sentence that could be constrewed as constructive criticism. You have offered nothing of value to the discussion. You have just fully reinforced Roves assertion that you are nothing but a Defeatocrat.
"Never ONCE have I heard any SPECIFIC proposals from the Democrats on what they would do differently in Iraq and what SPECIFIC results they would expect from their proposals."
You heard it. The RATS want to retreat to Okinawa.
Diana Irey BUMP!
Translation: "If we don't change course, we'll have enough success in Iraq on a regular basis that Republicans will keep getting elected over and over again - that's a disaster of epic proportions."
The SPECIFIC plans are to put into practice the Terrorist Bill of Rights and cut military funding in Iraq; fire the generals and bring on the Pampered Princes like pretty boy Wesley Clark, who may be another Mark Foley........and mind you, let the United Nations take over - take? You Bet.
Murtha IS the enemy.
"Casey said the level of attacks -- between 450 and 500 a week -- is roughly the same as it was a year ago. There were times when the level was between 800 and 900 attacks per week. The area of the attacks is also pretty confined. In 14 out of the 18 provinces in the country, there are only about three attacks a day."
For your consideration:
It's real defeatism.
Well .. here ya go! Everybody listen up!!:
Charlie Rangel - who will be chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee (the people who hold the purse strings), has publically stated "I WILL DEFUND THE WAR".
We all know what that means. Another Vietnam. They will pull the purse strings and place the item in a necessary bill - and then dare the President to veto it.
So .. THEY DO HAVE A PLAN - THE PLAN IS TO "CUT AND RUN"; destablize the middle east (blaming Bush), bring our troops home - refuse to pay for their medical needs - stop giving them GI college funds - demoralize them - call them baby killers .. WHAT ELSE IS NEW!!
Go ahead you - "let's punish the repubs idiots" (and you know who you are) - you are going to totally destroy our military. I hope you can live with that!
Ooops, you meant to say Congressman, although I'm sure he wants to be a Senator some day.
That's a change in course I could live with.
By jove I think you've got it!!