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Confessions of a 'Defeatocrat'
The Washington Post ^ | October 15, 2006 | John P. Murtha

Posted on 10/15/2006 1:08:48 AM PDT by John Carey

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To: John Carey
This is not defeatism. This is realism.

It's real defeatism.

21 posted on 10/15/2006 12:59:38 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: Lancey Howard; All

Well .. here ya go! Everybody listen up!!:

Charlie Rangel - who will be chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee (the people who hold the purse strings), has publically stated "I WILL DEFUND THE WAR".

We all know what that means. Another Vietnam. They will pull the purse strings and place the item in a necessary bill - and then dare the President to veto it.

So .. THEY DO HAVE A PLAN - THE PLAN IS TO "CUT AND RUN"; destablize the middle east (blaming Bush), bring our troops home - refuse to pay for their medical needs - stop giving them GI college funds - demoralize them - call them baby killers .. WHAT ELSE IS NEW!!

Go ahead you - "let's punish the repubs idiots" (and you know who you are) - you are going to totally destroy our military. I hope you can live with that!

22 posted on 10/15/2006 1:03:37 PM PDT by CyberAnt (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: bad company
Well Senator,

Ooops, you meant to say Congressman, although I'm sure he wants to be a Senator some day.

23 posted on 10/15/2006 1:06:23 PM PDT by webheart
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To: webheart
How's this for a couple of Defeatorepubbie Senators?
24 posted on 10/15/2006 1:09:51 PM PDT by SierraWasp (To be fair, Bill Clinton did more than any other President to protect us from the Branch Davidians!)
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To: John Carey

Murtha appears to be the leader of the defeatocrats.
25 posted on 10/15/2006 1:11:51 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: CyberAnt
You are correct the Dems to have a strategy and a plan for Iraq. They want to reuse the Vietnam template from 1969 to 1975. First gain control or as then keep control of the House where all money bills most originate. When enough momentum can be generated by the following actions begin pushing defunding actions for both the GWOT and Iraq.Second relentlessly criticize all administration actions on the GWOT and Iraq but be careful not to offer any real alternatives. The goal is to get the administration into a debate with itself and then move to exploit the usual opportunistic fissures this will cause. Eventually a small but loud mouthed Repub minority such as Chafee from RI will make common cause with the Rats and be used relentlessly to beat the Prez. Constantly harp on purported American misdeeds or blunders to sow defeatism and understate or deny any negative consequences of a precipitate US exit. Denigrate native supporters of the US in Iraq or Afghanistan as 'war lords', 'corrupt', 'drug traffickers, or 'incompetents' who it is inferred are hopeless or unworthy of US support and American deaths. Use the war as a tool to gain domestic political power and try to topple the administration through criminalizing the actions of major administration members. Impeachment of the SECDEF would be an example of this sort of thing. Actively assist in undermining US military operations through budgetary and legalistic constraints. The goal is a humiliating public defeat or rout such as the fall of Saigon redux. Immediately start yelling 'no recriminations' as the wave of Islamacist chaos rolls through the Mideast and deny that the enemies of the US are running amok around the world or that if they are dismiss it as internal 'unrest' and deny any importance. When a nuclear device is set off in the US hasten to blame the Repubs and Bush.
26 posted on 10/15/2006 3:09:09 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: John Valentine

That's a change in course I could live with.

27 posted on 10/15/2006 3:55:09 PM PDT by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: robowombat

By jove I think you've got it!!

28 posted on 10/15/2006 10:37:39 PM PDT by CyberAnt (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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