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Friday Night Fights: Conservative Woman KOs Bill Maher and Ben Affleck
Newsbusters ^ | Oct 15, 2006 | staff

Posted on 10/15/2006 6:23:08 AM PDT by Kid Shelleen

is quite doubtful that HBO’s Bill Maher knew what he was in for when he scheduled Danielle Pletka of the American Enterprise Institute to be on his "Real Time" panel Friday night. After all, with CNN’s Lou Dobbs and liberal actor Ben Affleck surrounding her, it seemed highly unlikely the lone conservative in the discussion would survive the scrum, let alone win the debate. However, not only did Pletka hold her own, but she also ended up schooling Maher and Affleck on a virtual plethora of geopolitical issues making this one of the more enjoyable Friday Night Fights in recent memory (video link to follow).

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: benaffleck; billmaher; daniellepletka; loudobbs
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This is a little unfair. There were only 3 liberal weenies against one conservative women. Next time Mahr needs to invite some more liberals to help him. Maybe he can get Al Franken. I hear he is looking for work.. /sarcasm
1 posted on 10/15/2006 6:23:09 AM PDT by Kid Shelleen
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To: Kid Shelleen

Was Ben Affleck sober?


2 posted on 10/15/2006 6:24:27 AM PDT by Perdogg (Democratic Party - The political wing of Al Qaida)
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To: Kid Shelleen
..and liberal actor Ben Affleck..
TYPO -- that should be Ben 'AFLAC' (quack!)

:-)

3 posted on 10/15/2006 6:27:59 AM PDT by Condor51 ("Alot" is NOT a word and doesn't mean "many". It is 'a lot', two separate words.)
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later read


4 posted on 10/15/2006 6:32:10 AM PDT by Mo1 (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC - BECOME A MONTHLY DONOR)
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To: Kid Shelleen
The first lesson came when Affleck had the gall to suggest that Iran and North Korea “became more evil after” President Bush made his Axis of Evil speech during the 2002 State of the Union address (emphasis mine)...

Well they did, let's be honest about it. The president said we would not sit back and allow the North Koreans test a long range missile. They tested one. The president said we would not sit back and watch North Korea become a nuclear power. It appears that the did. The president said we would not let Iran become a nuclear power. They're pressing ahead full bore to become one.

I watched the show. If winning means that Pletka shouted as loudly as Mahr and Affleck then she won. Did she convert anyone? No, but then again it's always a liberal audience so neither did Mahr.

5 posted on 10/15/2006 6:34:27 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Kid Shelleen

Good for her! We need someone like her in a visible position in our government to make these points to the American people (and the rest of the world, for that matter).


6 posted on 10/15/2006 6:38:39 AM PDT by Joann37
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To: Kid Shelleen

She won't be invited back. That transcript is something else. She bitchslapped Maher and dismissed Affleck.


7 posted on 10/15/2006 6:38:49 AM PDT by Thebaddog (Labs Rules! Brilliant!)
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To: Kid Shelleen
The sad fact is, these "debates" happen on entertainment shows. They should be happening in prime time between senators and congresspeople who have these facts on hand, and can let the American people know the reality of our world, without all this PC MSM "well, that's your opinion, but Edward Said's ghost believes otherwise, and he's smart" or whatever.

Americans are uninformed because the media is unwilling to risk losing audience share by putting this stuff out there regularly, as part of their responsibility to the public. People would rather watch Lost than learn about our world, but they will then bitch for four years about how "the government isn't doing enough to educate our children".

If every American spent four hours per election cycle researching the facts about the issues, Republicans would have nothing to fear from the Democrats, ever.

8 posted on 10/15/2006 6:44:46 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Republican, atheist, pro-life)
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To: Thebaddog

I'd like to hear more from this lady.


9 posted on 10/15/2006 6:46:06 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Well they did, let's be honest about it.

I think the point being made by Danielle is that had President Bush not called them the 'Axis of Evil', these two countries would still be doing everything they are now doing. Of course, that can't be proven but her point about North Korea developing their nuclear capability and not participating in talks was done in the 90's. It's a good bet we'd be where we are today had he not called them the Axis of Evil.

10 posted on 10/15/2006 6:46:54 AM PDT by tsmith130
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To: Thebaddog

Hey--watch the video link. She really does "bitch slap" Maher at the end with the "UN ass" comment. He really was reeling, and she really was POed.


11 posted on 10/15/2006 6:47:16 AM PDT by Clara Lou (Proud mom of a USMC enlistee.)
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To: Perdogg

Affleck was there as a ventriloquist's dummy. He was in so far over his head.


12 posted on 10/15/2006 6:48:30 AM PDT by Clara Lou (Proud mom of a USMC enlistee.)
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To: Kid Shelleen
I watched it. Conclusion - Ben Affleck is a moron. He really believes that because Bush called N. Korea and Iran evil - then the became evil. If only Bush had used nice words, Iran and N. Korea would be nice. WHAT A MORON.
13 posted on 10/15/2006 6:49:39 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Kid Shelleen

And there are freepers who are actually fans of that appeaser, Lou Dobbs?


14 posted on 10/15/2006 6:50:10 AM PDT by Zechariah11
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To: Non-Sequitur
Well they did, let's be honest about it.

No.  They didn't.  Take off your DBM inspired blinders.  They were just as evil before the speech, but the DBM was ignoring them, as was the Clinton administration throughout the 90s.  But they were just as evil.

All that happened was that things they had been working on for a very long time came to fruition.  Buying into the DBM "Bush made them bad" idea is foolish and contributes to the evil that they do.  Don't be an enabler of evil by commission or omission and certainly don't believe anything they say about the world out there.

16 posted on 10/15/2006 6:53:09 AM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: Kid Shelleen

I haven't finished the thread, but if someone finds a link to this exchange, please keep me in mind.


17 posted on 10/15/2006 6:54:39 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Non-Sequitur

Agree...i thought she was weak even within a field of pu##ies.


18 posted on 10/15/2006 6:54:44 AM PDT by chasio649
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To: Baynative
Our congress has become a habitat for the lowest common denominators, dreggs of American society.

I agree. It's pretty sad when our so-called representatives go on talk shows that are run by comics and actors just to try to appease a bunch that will never vote for them anyway.

19 posted on 10/15/2006 6:55:52 AM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: Kid Shelleen
How can anyone argue with liberals who put forth irrational hysteria! And Affleck with his brain dead liberal mantra "we are making them more evil!" Good Lord! These people are morons!

Danielle Pletka was excellent but had to keep talking over moonbat talking points which is a futile to combat.

20 posted on 10/15/2006 6:57:36 AM PDT by avacado
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To: Kid Shelleen

It's 1936 all over again, The politicians who see the reality of the situtation are calling for confrontation. Meanwhile, the opposition party is winning hearts and minds (and votes) by offering peace instead of war to an ignorant electorate. The public wants peace and votes accordingly.....

....and then Hitler ionvades Poland (Woops) or (today) Al Qaeda types nuke Israel or Chicago or London. It's been done before. Democracies are easy to manipulate when it comes to these matters. I just wonder who gets to be Winston Churchill (assuming Western Civilization survives). John Kerry is my choice for Neville Chamberlin. He'll be in Tehran blowing their President in Spring of 2008 for sure.


21 posted on 10/15/2006 6:59:21 AM PDT by Firefox1
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To: Kid Shelleen
It takes a village woman....
22 posted on 10/15/2006 6:59:23 AM PDT by Fawn (http://www.jokaroo.com/funnyvideos/toilet_obsession.html)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Pletka! Pletka! Pletka! Woot!

For anyone who missed the link to the transcript at the top of the thread:

http://newsbusters.org/node/8335


23 posted on 10/15/2006 7:00:05 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Phsstpok
No. They didn't. Take off your DBM inspired blinders. They were just as evil before the speech, but the DBM was ignoring them, as was the Clinton administration throughout the 90s. But they were just as evil.

They were evil before the speech. Now they're evil and have tested long range missiles and supposedly nuclear weapons. That seems to me to be more evil than before.

24 posted on 10/15/2006 7:00:14 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: tsmith130
I think the point being made by Danielle is that had President Bush not called them the 'Axis of Evil', these two countries would still be doing everything they are now doing.

OK, they're Axis of Evil founding members and are doing what the President said we would not sit still for them doing. And that is better how?

25 posted on 10/15/2006 7:01:42 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Kid Shelleen
"They already saw the first ass."

Priceless.

26 posted on 10/15/2006 7:02:45 AM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Yardstick

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7z14zfDtUU&mode=related&search=


27 posted on 10/15/2006 7:03:02 AM PDT by Stallone (Dealing with Democrats IS the War on Terror.)
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To: 1rudeboy
link to exchange
29 posted on 10/15/2006 7:06:35 AM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: Non-Sequitur
OK, they're Axis of Evil founding members and are doing what the President said we would not sit still for them doing. And that is better how?

It's not better...it's frightening! But to lay the blame solely at the feet of Pres. Bush is moronic and myopic...which is why he wants (and was urging) the rest of the world to step up but they keep stepping back which is even more frightening.

Just what would you have had Pres. Bush do?

30 posted on 10/15/2006 7:08:15 AM PDT by tsmith130
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To: Non-Sequitur
Well they did, let's be honest about it.

Earth to non-sequitor: North Korea descended into the abyss of evil in 1950 and Iran followed in 1979 during the Democratic administrations of Truman and Carter, respectively.

They've remained there ever since, becoming purer strains of evil with the the occasional Democratic US president's eager assistance ever since.

Your fatuous comment is like saying that Michael Moore became slobby and morbidly obese only when someone had the gall to tell him to his slobby and grossly obese face that he has a weight and hygiene problem.

31 posted on 10/15/2006 7:11:26 AM PDT by JCEccles
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To: Non-Sequitur

Moron.


32 posted on 10/15/2006 7:12:50 AM PDT by JCEccles
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To: Non-Sequitur

Nope. You still don't get it. Evil is an approach to living and dealing with things. Missiles and a nuke are tools that can be used to perform good or evi acts. It doesn't change their nature that they have demonstrated that they have these things. It does change their known capabilities.

Further, they obviously have been working on both for a very long time and Bush's speech didn't affect that in any way shape or form, nor did it advance the timetable for them having this capability. At most it advanced their revealing the capability to the world.

If you have a gun in your pocket and I don't know it, you are still just as dangerous to me as if you have shown it to me. I will be ignorant of the danger, but the danger is there none the less. And the fact that you have a gun doesn't make you good or evil, it's just a tool. The good or evil is in the way the tool is used.


33 posted on 10/15/2006 7:13:20 AM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: 2banana

I don't have to watch the video to tell you without a doubt Ben Affleck is a moron. Him and all the other Hollyweird Cocoa for Koo Koo Puffs should stick to making crappy movies.


34 posted on 10/15/2006 7:13:58 AM PDT by YdontUleaveLibs (Reason is out to lunch. How may I help you?)
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To: Non-Sequitur
The issue is one of timing. The plotters (e.g. Korea, Iran, Iraq, Al Queda, and yes even those leaders in Europe who would like to overtake the US in world stature) have been consistently plotting, but were 'flying under the radar' while gathering strength. What 9/11 and Bush have done is to shine a light on the sobering reality of the situation. That several events have taken place since that time (e.g. North Korean nuclear test) that further showcase the real intent of these 'plotters' is only because these formerly opaque enemies of ours were called-out prematurely into scrutiny and now there is no reason for them to continue trying to hide what they were planning all along.
35 posted on 10/15/2006 7:14:34 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Non-Sequitur
They were evil before the speech. Now they're evil and have tested long range missiles and supposedly nuclear weapons. That seems to me to be more evil than before.

To say that they wouldn't have tested missles or nucs if Bush hadn't said "Axis of Evil" is the height of stupidity.

Why do people have to continue to make exuses for evil, murderous regiemes?

36 posted on 10/15/2006 7:15:53 AM PDT by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Hey anytime someone can verbally slap Maher around the way he takes great pleasure in doing to others I give a thumbs up.That being said I don't need Danielle Pletka or George Bush to inform me North Korea and Iran are evil regimes, I came to that conclusion all by myself !!!


37 posted on 10/15/2006 7:18:57 AM PDT by Obie Wan
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To: Kid Shelleen
"I pulled that out of the UN ass!"

Classic!

As to Lou Dobbs' suggestion that we pull out of Iraq, her reply could have been, "You people have sat here all night worried at how WORDS are bringing us more terrorism, when there is nothing we could do that would foster more terrorism than that what Lou Dobbs just suggested."

38 posted on 10/15/2006 7:20:06 AM PDT by wayoverontheright
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To: Phsstpok

I'm stunned that Maher actually defended Saddam Hussein while knocking the U.S. I souldn't be, but that sort of thing always shocks me. Maher pushed the phony stat of 655,000 people killed by the US and her allies in the Iraq war while arguing against the one million killed under Saddam figure.


39 posted on 10/15/2006 7:20:31 AM PDT by alnick
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To: Kid Shelleen

BUMP!


40 posted on 10/15/2006 7:20:33 AM PDT by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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To: chasio649

Agree...i thought she was weak even within a field of pu##ies.




Me too - she came across a tad nutty. I was disappointed.


41 posted on 10/15/2006 7:23:56 AM PDT by countreegurl
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To: Non-Sequitur
Well they did, let's be honest about it.

I have to disagree. Your position is that if the West just leaves Iran and North Korea alone that they will behave magnificently and never bother anybody again in the civilized world.

Which is a total joke and dangerous.

42 posted on 10/15/2006 7:24:05 AM PDT by American in Singapore (Bill Clinton: The Human Stain)
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To: Kid Shelleen
Incredible body language. The guys all feared her knowledge, but put on false bravados. Ol' Hollywood-ben just kept peeking hungrily at the audience to see if he could get his needed applause. (Boy, wasn't the audience hand-picked!)
43 posted on 10/15/2006 7:24:10 AM PDT by bannie (HILLARY: Not all perversions are sexual.)
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To: Kid Shelleen

I watched the clip and saw what one USUALLY sees in these cases- a bunch of ignorant idiots who refuse to be confused by the facts when facing a person who actually KNOWS something about it.

Mahar and Affleck should go back to what they are paid to do- entertain, albeit in a mediocre fashion. Dobbs is just good at appeasing the nutjob who pays him.


44 posted on 10/15/2006 7:25:32 AM PDT by 13Sisters76 ("It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. " Thos. Sowell)
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To: countreegurl

I see the DU trolls are out in force this morning.


45 posted on 10/15/2006 7:26:16 AM PDT by JCEccles
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To: Kid Shelleen
I just watched it -- Some of her answers were hard to hear due to a combination of the applause by the moronic audience, and the three Liberal brain-dead excuses for men on the set.

It's fair to say she probably won't be invited on the show again -- way too much brain power and too many facts for the little willie show and its three viewers somewhere out there in telebishion land ...

46 posted on 10/15/2006 7:26:24 AM PDT by Babu
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To: YdontUleaveLibs
Affleck seems to be primping himself, ala John F'ing Kerry to run for office. An empty suit if I ever saw one.
47 posted on 10/15/2006 7:26:39 AM PDT by TruthFactor (The Death of Nations... pornography,homosexuality,abortion)
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To: 1rudeboy; All

This is the video link:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7z14zfDtUU&mode=related&search=


48 posted on 10/15/2006 7:28:31 AM PDT by musicman
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To: Phsstpok

OK, I'll bite what is DBM ?


49 posted on 10/15/2006 7:30:32 AM PDT by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: Kid Shelleen
Ben Affleck Education Bio: After Graduating high school the young Affleck dabbled in higher education at both the University of Vermont and California’s Occidental College. He found it all too restricting and opted to give Hollywood a try.

Another liberal dropout telling us how the world works! Pfffffttt...

50 posted on 10/15/2006 7:30:36 AM PDT by avacado
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