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FAA begins equipping its jets with anti-missile system
SF Gate.com ^ | October 12, 2006 | Paul J. Caffera

Posted on 10/15/2006 5:41:30 PM PDT by KeyLargo

FAA begins equipping its jets with anti-missile system

Move is latest to protect aircraft from terror attack - Paul J. Caffera, Special to The Chronicle Thursday, October 12, 2006

(10-12) 04:00 PDT Oklahoma City -- In yet another reminder of the lurking threat terrorist missiles pose to airliners, the Federal Aviation Administration has begun installing anti-missile systems on its fleet of aircraft.

Northrop Grumman spokeswoman Ellen Hamilton confirmed the $12.5 million contract to The Chronicle on Tuesday.

The first system was installed on a Bombardier Challenger 601 aircraft by FAA personnel last week at the Mike Monroney Aeronautical Center in Oklahoma City. In coming days, the FAA plans to install additional countermeasure systems on two additional Challenger 601s and one Challenger 604. The devices are designed to combat the threat from so-called MANPADS, or Man-Portable Air Defense Systems.

The defenses are to be installed on FAA jets used to inspect navigation beacons, radars and airport lighting at commercial airports.

The FAA would not comment on the installations. ...

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antimissile
"The FAA move is the latest in a stepped-up effort to protect "commercial derivative" aircraft from missile attacks. Commercial derivative aircraft are essentially commercial airliners the government has modified for official use. The twin presidential Air Force One aircraft, which have missile defenses installed, are modified Boeing 747s."
1 posted on 10/15/2006 5:41:31 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Tijeras_Slim; FireTrack; Pukin Dog; citabria; B Knotts; kilowhskey; cyphergirl; Wright is right!; ..

Aviation Ping


2 posted on 10/15/2006 5:43:27 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo
They must be contemplating some really horrendous rule changes!
3 posted on 10/15/2006 5:45:19 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: KeyLargo

Well, in addition to selecting commercial flights using Boeing aircraft, now I'll be looking for aircraft equipped with "missile defenses." And when will these be installed on airlines planes for the "common folk?"


4 posted on 10/15/2006 5:48:31 PM PDT by toddst
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To: KeyLargo

Pretty..........

5 posted on 10/15/2006 5:48:36 PM PDT by edpc (Violence is ALWAYS a solution. Maybe not the right one....but a solution nonetheless)
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To: KeyLargo

...and all the while our right to keep and bear arms is ignored and criminalized. We've got our democracy, but, as Franklin alluded, can we keep it?


6 posted on 10/15/2006 5:48:43 PM PDT by gorush (Exterminate the Moops!)
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To: KeyLargo

Oh sure, the FAA boys are 'protecting' their important little backsides using OUR tax dollars. Now that's what I call a good use of tax money. What self respecting terrorist is going to target the FAA anyway?
(sarcasm alert)


7 posted on 10/15/2006 5:51:20 PM PDT by whipitgood (Public schools have replaced a biblical moral code with pragmatism. Civilization, beware!)
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To: KeyLargo

8 posted on 10/15/2006 5:53:41 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Aerospace ping


9 posted on 10/15/2006 5:55:39 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: toddst

I believe these are modified LAIRCM systems. A full up LAIRCM runs around $5 million a plane, so I doubt they will be widespread.


10 posted on 10/15/2006 5:57:43 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I'm agnostic on evolution, but sit ups are from Hell!)
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To: KeyLargo

I wonder if al-Qaeda and the south American gangs have maybe smuggled MANPADS in to the US so they can shoot down commercial airliners. Nah! Not with the border security we have. /sarcasm off


11 posted on 10/15/2006 5:58:36 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Sliding butt stock, carry handle, gas operated. Named after a horse. What am I?)
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To: Mr Rogers
I believe they are deploying Counter MANPADS (the civilian version of the Guardian system).
13 posted on 10/15/2006 6:03:36 PM PDT by Just_an_average_Joe (Frank Costanza: I'm like the Phoenix, rising from Arizona.)
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To: Just_an_average_Joe

Sounds right. It should be a lot cheaper, but still too much for installing on all commercial aircraft unloess the threat becomes a lot greater.


14 posted on 10/15/2006 6:05:23 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I'm agnostic on evolution, but sit ups are from Hell!)
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To: gorush
and all the while our right to keep and bear arms is ignored and criminalized. We've got our democracy, but, as Franklin alluded, can we keep it?

The odds of success are roughly proportional to the amount of active, sacrificial effort we make to protect it; roughly inversely proportional to the amount of time and effort we give to predicting its demise.

15 posted on 10/15/2006 6:12:06 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (* nuke * the * jihad *)
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To: Made in USA

that is a fearsome sight indeed.


16 posted on 10/15/2006 6:12:38 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (* nuke * the * jihad *)
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To: Made in USA

That is awesome.


17 posted on 10/15/2006 6:16:24 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: the invisib1e hand; toddst; KeyLargo; george76
that is a fearsome sight indeed.

Yeah. Imagine what it'll look like when the pyros go off accidentally on a live tarmac with fuel trucks and pax on board.

Fearsome sight indeed.

But it's the FAA. What could go wrong?

18 posted on 10/15/2006 6:40:42 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: KeyLargo
Not flares, DIRCM

Flares tend to ignite things on the ground.

19 posted on 10/15/2006 6:40:54 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Made in USA

Kool!


20 posted on 10/15/2006 6:41:01 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: whipitgood
Well, the planes they are protecting are also paid for by our tax dollars. So, while they fly around inspecting all the infrastructure, I'm ok with them making sure they aren't shot down in our aircraft.
Or do you think that the pilots that fly, and the technicians that do the instrument calibration, are some kind of fat cats?
The airlines should be doing the same thing on all their planes in one way or another as they figure out how to afford it.
21 posted on 10/15/2006 6:47:51 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: toddst
And when will these be installed on airlines planes for the "common folk?"

El Al has had 'em for years. It's always interesting to taxi past an El Al airliner... interesting non-standard bulges here and there. That's why.
22 posted on 10/15/2006 6:50:23 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast
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To: whipitgood
The program is expected to conclude in March 2008, according to Homeland Security spokesman Christopher Kelly. At that point, the protection systems will be removed from the planes.

This is the last sentence in the source article. It sounds like the program is meant as a test on various aircraft. It would also make sense to have them mounted on aircraft testing instrument landing systems to make sure there is no interference between the systems.

23 posted on 10/15/2006 7:02:41 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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It's about darn time.


24 posted on 10/15/2006 7:14:40 PM PDT by GretchenM (What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? Please meet my friend, Jesus.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Cute, but you need to show your work.


25 posted on 10/15/2006 7:15:06 PM PDT by gorush (Exterminate the Moops!)
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To: toddst

' And when will these be installed on airlines planes for the "common folk?""

It's being certified now for several models of commercial aviation, including, I think, the MD-10, MD-11, 737, and 747.


26 posted on 10/15/2006 7:28:04 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (being dragged, kicking and screaming, into the Kingdom of Heaven....)
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To: whipitgood
"What self respecting terrorist is going to target the FAA anyway? "

You have to start somewhere. The actual first installations were on the 89th Air Wing aircraft (Air Force One and such).
27 posted on 10/15/2006 7:29:00 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (being dragged, kicking and screaming, into the Kingdom of Heaven....)
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To: GAB-1955
Northrop Grumman has received supplemental type certification (STP) from the FAA to fly three aircraft using the DIRCM technology -- the MD-11, MD-10 and the Boeing 747.

[snip]

Northrop Grumman's Guardian system features a 50-pound pod, shaped like a small, upside canoe, fitted to the belly...The system operates independently of the aircraft's pilot in identifying a missile threat and then firing a burst from a laser that forces the attacking missile to "make a violent turn" away from the aircraft, said Jack Pledger, director of Infrared Counter Measures Business Development for Northrop Grumman. The process takes about two to three seconds, faster than a human could react under the circumstances, he added.

Aviation Daily, 9/13/06

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BAE Systems tested another system on a Boeing 767.

http://www.homelandsecuritynys.org/news/2005/tr21116.pdf

28 posted on 10/15/2006 8:15:52 PM PDT by zipper
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To: Just_an_average_Joe

29 posted on 10/15/2006 8:50:29 PM PDT by phantomworker (A life spent in making mistakes is more honorable & more useful than a life spent in doing nothing.)
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To: zipper
I like that, JETEYE:


30 posted on 10/15/2006 8:55:29 PM PDT by phantomworker (A life spent in making mistakes is more honorable & more useful than a life spent in doing nothing.)
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To: toddst
And when will these be installed on airlines planes for the "common folk?"

All of El Al Airlines flights are protected now.

31 posted on 10/15/2006 10:35:38 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: American in Israel

10-4. Perhaps our airlines officials should be talking with El Al to understand how they got the job done. The sooner the better IMO.


32 posted on 10/16/2006 5:37:00 AM PDT by toddst
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