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Putin Gets Away With Murder
Weekly Standard ^ | 10/23/06 | Anders Åslund

Posted on 10/16/2006 5:24:37 AM PDT by Donna Lee Nardo

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To: supremedoctrine
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101 posted on 10/21/2006 2:53:50 AM PDT by jerryem (BC)
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To: GarySpFc

"This is the typical blame game. What actually happened is the terrorists had a 152MM round "

And did I mention that the hostages reported that the first shots fired were snipers from the outside - one being injured before any heavy ordnance went off?


102 posted on 10/22/2006 7:11:43 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: spanalot
"I have no opinion - only the facts that the Russians are so ruthless as to kill thousands and millions for their political and economic gain."

Chuckle...I like people that stay steadfast.

I hear what you are saying, Spannie. It's just that every major incident, e.g., the Ruby Ridge; Waco; the OK City bombing; 911; and Beslan, among others, gives birth to a bevy of conspiracies. It cannot be helped; it's the nature of the beast. Some conspiracies may hold truth, others probably not.

I do understand what you are saying about Russia under Putin in general, yet I find it very difficult to buy the idea in particular that Putin deliberately placed Special Forces outside the school to produce and/or amplify the massacre there that ensued. To what and to whose benefit would this have been? In your eyes, how has this tragedy assisted Putin?

Did Putin order his guys on site to secure the building and reclaim the children and teachers, yes, I feel certain of this. Could an accident have occurred? Yes, again, because that's always possible.

I do think that it would be helpful for Russia to release the identities of all the terrorists killed at Beslan though.

103 posted on 10/22/2006 5:34:01 PM PDT by Donna Lee Nardo (DEATH TO ISLAMIC TERRORISTS AND ANIMAL AND CHILD ABUSERS.)
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To: GarySpFc

Thank you, Gary. I much appreciate your posting the excerpt. It is a chilling but fascinating read.

Chaos is what it sounds like. No wonder conspiracy theories abound.


104 posted on 10/22/2006 6:06:22 PM PDT by Donna Lee Nardo (DEATH TO ISLAMIC TERRORISTS AND ANIMAL AND CHILD ABUSERS.)
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To: GarySpFc; spanalot

Gary, that was a terrific rundown. Thank you again.

I don't know, gentlemen, but all that Gary writes sounds completely logical (NOTE: I know little about ordinance, so that one aspect I will leave to both of you).

The story is similar to what transpired on and after 911 and even Hurricane Katrina...from the absolute chaos and unavoidable miscues to the families and others casting aspersions about the culpability of the days' events and aftermath.

It is terribly sad and understandable at the same time.


105 posted on 10/22/2006 6:24:40 PM PDT by Donna Lee Nardo (DEATH TO ISLAMIC TERRORISTS AND ANIMAL AND CHILD ABUSERS.)
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To: Donna Lee Nardo
This is a correction to my post.

Gudick clearly states some of the terrorists did escape. Indeed, two escaped, were captured by the civilians are ripped to shreds. Thirteen escaped and were tracked down and killed by the Spetsnaz. One schoolgirl reported being carried out on a stretcher by two men, and one was a TERRORISThostage.
106 posted on 10/22/2006 6:40:59 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: Donna Lee Nardo
Donna,

Note the anti-Ameica attitude at Beslan.

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And this callous Russian soldier, without a caring attitude for the children.

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107 posted on 10/23/2006 4:35:47 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: Donna Lee Nardo

"yet I find it very difficult to buy the idea in particular that Putin deliberately placed Special Forces outside the school to produce and/or amplify the massacre there that ensued"

What would you call nerve gassing the Opera House and not sending enough antidote - thereby killing hundreds of innocents?

I call it the usual hamhanded, drunken Russian bavuro mixed with stupidity and egocentrism.


108 posted on 10/23/2006 3:14:05 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: GarySpFc

Here's another picture of Russian Kindness.

http://www.faminegenocide.com/resources/famine_map.html


109 posted on 10/23/2006 3:16:11 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: spanalot
Comrade Lying Spinalot,

You must spend all night dreaming of lies for your new reality. The famine was imposed by the SOVIETS, and not the Russians. Indeed, some of the SOVIETS were Ukranians, Russians, Georgians, etc. Additionally, the areas shown on your map include large areas of modern Russia, which was occupied at that time by RUSSIANS, who were starved in the SOVIET famine.
110 posted on 10/23/2006 4:19:17 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: Donna Lee Nardo; spanalot
Comrade Spinalot, our local psychopath, is once again attempting to create a new reality with his lies. The gas used at the theater was NOT NERVE GAS, but an aerosol anesthetic, which rendered both terrorists and hostages unconscious. The 42 terrorists were shot as they slept to keep them from waking up and setting off the bombs. The Spetsnaz had the difficult task of moving all of the hostages out of the theater through narrow aisles, and in the process most of the deaths were hostages who suffocated in their own vomit. The loss of 129 hostages was tragic, but it is important to note 771 hostages were saved. I seriously doubt American forces could have been more effective.


Comrade Spinalot sez: What would you call nerve gassing the Opera House and not sending enough antidote - thereby killing hundreds of innocents?
I call it the usual hamhanded, drunken Russian bavuro mixed with stupidity and egocentrism.

111 posted on 10/23/2006 4:40:45 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: GarySpFc

If you are right, why then did the "famine" mysteriously stop at the Russian border?

BWAHAHAHAHA -we know what you are.


112 posted on 10/25/2006 2:53:18 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: spanalot
If you are right, why then did the "famine" mysteriously stop at the Russian border?

Comrade Spinalot,

The famine did not stop at the border.
113 posted on 10/25/2006 2:55:21 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: spanalot
"I call it the usual hamhanded, drunken Russian bavuro mixed with stupidity and egocentrism."

Well, ok. But that is not a deliberate and willful evil act on the part of Putin and his men, is it? Mistakes and misjudgements are just that: mistakes and misjudgements.

114 posted on 10/26/2006 6:12:32 PM PDT by Donna Lee Nardo (DEATH TO ISLAMIC TERRORISTS AND ANIMAL AND CHILD ABUSERS.)
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To: Donna Lee Nardo

"I call it the usual hamhanded, drunken Russian bavuro mixed with stupidity and egocentrism."
Well, ok. But that is not a deliberate and willful evil act on the part of Putin and his men, is it? "

Of course it is.


115 posted on 10/26/2006 6:50:17 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: spanalot

:)


116 posted on 10/26/2006 7:03:21 PM PDT by Donna Lee Nardo (DEATH TO ISLAMIC TERRORISTS AND ANIMAL AND CHILD ABUSERS.)
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To: spanalot; GarySpFc

You said you know what Gary is. What is Gary?

And please tell me why you believe Russia is not the newer Russia but is still the old red Soviet Union? And if you answer, spanalot, please go beyond the fact that Putin was a KGB member if you will.

I am interested in what you are thinking. For myself, I have no preconceptions on this topic.


117 posted on 10/26/2006 7:12:43 PM PDT by Donna Lee Nardo (DEATH TO ISLAMIC TERRORISTS AND ANIMAL AND CHILD ABUSERS.)
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To: Donna Lee Nardo

"You said you know what Gary is. What is Gary?

And please tell me why you believe Russia is not the newer Russia but is still the old red Soviet Union? And if you answer, spanalot, please go beyond the fact that Putin was a KGB member if you will.

I am interested in what you are thinking. For myself, I have no preconceptions on this topic."




a) A russophile who also runs/ran a russian dating agency and whose wife once worked for Putin himself.

b) The new Russia is the same as Communist Russia is the same as Tsarist Russia because it is morally bankrupt and doomed to economic failure unless it sucks the lifeblood out of millions.

c) Putin/KGB/Stalin/Lenin/Ivan ... all the same - ignorant despots willing to committ mass murder or genocide for personal gain.


118 posted on 10/27/2006 2:43:56 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: GarySpFc; spanalot

Oh, geez, Gary, you're outed now.

I knew your wife was/is Russian, but not that she worked for Putin. I understand from whence your allegiance lies.

It doesn't make you a bad person though.

Thanks, Spannie. :)


119 posted on 10/30/2006 8:36:33 PM PST by Donna Lee Nardo (DEATH TO ISLAMIC TERRORISTS AND ANIMAL AND CHILD ABUSERS.)
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To: Donna Lee Nardo

My wife was a child psychologist in Volgograd, and as such she was also the director or a large kindergarden. Nadya is a Christian and had attended an Orthdodox seminary for lay persons. When Putin directed a Bible program be developed for Russian schools my wife was one of several chosen for the task. When the program was finished it was drafted into a law by the Duma and Putin signed it. My wife has never met Putin nor did she directly work for him. Heck, she didn't even get a free trip to Moscow to see it signed.


120 posted on 10/30/2006 9:07:50 PM PST by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: Donna Lee Nardo

Donna, I guess I am outed. However, I do not now nor have I ever run a Russian dating service. I do have a family website relating my experience, with picures of our family. At one time my stepdaugther asked me to put her and her girlfriends pictures on it which I did, with a goal of finding them husbands. The first email she received was a nasty email, with prompted the to ask me to remove the pictures.


121 posted on 10/30/2006 9:12:50 PM PST by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: GarySpFc

I really appreciate the clarification, Gary.


122 posted on 10/30/2006 9:14:37 PM PST by Donna Lee Nardo (DEATH TO ISLAMIC TERRORISTS AND ANIMAL AND CHILD ABUSERS.)
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To: GarySpFc; spanalot

Smiling... thank you for the link. I checked it out and, yes, you vanished the pics. Gosh, I feel as if I know an awful lot about you now.

Spannie: See how unfounded rumors start!


123 posted on 10/30/2006 9:20:10 PM PST by Donna Lee Nardo (DEATH TO ISLAMIC TERRORISTS AND ANIMAL AND CHILD ABUSERS.)
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To: GarySpFc

BTW, with your wive's school background, she must have been especially troubled over Beslan. I assume she watched events via television here in the U.S. and was filled with angst on a level a bit different than the rest of us. I am sure it was a terrible and personal tragedy for her.


124 posted on 10/30/2006 9:27:46 PM PST by Donna Lee Nardo (DEATH TO ISLAMIC TERRORISTS AND ANIMAL AND CHILD ABUSERS.)
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To: Donna Lee Nardo

I said the city she is from is Volgograd, but actually it is Volzhsky, which is a suburb across the Volga River from Volgograd. The cities are approximately 200 miles from Chechnya, and naturally it wounded her deeply when Beslan happened. Likewise, she felt almost the same way about Nord Ost.


125 posted on 10/30/2006 10:13:17 PM PST by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: GarySpFc
"I said the city she is from is Volgograd, but actually it is Volzhsky, which is a suburb across the Volga River from Volgograd."

Forgetting her cover, are you?

I'm kidding if you aren't kidding.

126 posted on 10/31/2006 4:08:11 AM PST by Donna Lee Nardo (DEATH TO ISLAMIC TERRORISTS AND ANIMAL AND CHILD ABUSERS.)
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