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2nd warning for Muslims to leave U.S. before attack
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Posted on 10/16/2006 8:14:46 PM PDT by Firefigher NC

WASHINGTON – Another Pakistani journalist is reporting receiving another threat – this one from a senior Taliban leader – warning all Muslims to leave the U.S. in anticipation of a major terrorist attack before the end of Ramadan.

The head of the Islamabad-based al-Quds Center reported receiving an audio message from Mullah Masoom Afghani urging U.S. Muslims to get out of the country "because Allah's punishment would fall on America in the month of Ramadan."

Muslims are observing Ramadan this year Sept. 24 to Oct. 23.

Jamal Ismail is the journalist who received the message. He formerly worked for al-Jazeera. He told the News of Pakistan that he received a phone call Oct. 5 from Afghani.

"Afghani said he was speaking from somewhere in Kandahar province," reported Ismail. "In it, he advised Muslim residents of America to get out to escape harm because the U.S. could face big attacks in the month of Ramadan."

Ismail said it was the first time Afghani, who is head of the pro-Taliban cleric's consultative council and former ambassador of Afghanistan to Pakistan, had ever sent such a message.

"Afghani didn't say that it was a dream," recalled Ismail. "It appeared that he strongly believed that America was going to face punishment at the hands of Allah."

Last month, WND reported the new al-Qaida field commander in Afghanistan called for Muslims to leave the U.S. – particularly Washington and New York – in anticipation of a major terror attack to rival Sept. 11, according to an interview by another Pakistani journalist.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; americanhiroshima; attack; muslims; ramadanattack; terrorattack; terrorism; wnd; wot
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1 posted on 10/16/2006 8:14:48 PM PDT by Firefigher NC
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To: Firefigher NC
The head of the Islamabad-based al-Quds Center reported receiving an audio message from Mullah Masoom Afghani urging U.S. Muslims to get out of the country "because Allah's punishment would fall on America in the month of Ramadan.

I guess this would qualify as the cloud's silver-lining.

2 posted on 10/16/2006 8:16:58 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: ModelBreaker; All

Seriously, where do you think the next attack would be?


3 posted on 10/16/2006 8:17:47 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: Firefigher NC

The MOOOOOslims got 7 days. They're going to look really
stupid on October 24. Allahu Fubar!!


4 posted on 10/16/2006 8:17:58 PM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: Firefigher NC
This might also explain the news articles this weekend that Bush and Rove are giddy about GOP prospects.

It will help the MSM later make the case that Bush and Rove knew about the attacks in advance and chose to let them happen for political gain.

6 posted on 10/16/2006 8:18:48 PM PDT by GoBucks2002
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To: Firefigher NC

I seem to remember them saying this once before.


7 posted on 10/16/2006 8:19:19 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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To: Firefigher NC

They will only attack if Republicans maintain control of the House and Senate. ;)


8 posted on 10/16/2006 8:19:43 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Firefigher NC

So are the people of Dearbornistan leaving?


9 posted on 10/16/2006 8:19:58 PM PDT by MarkeyD (The tree of liberty must from time to time be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: Firefigher NC

Well, the one I saw at WalMart this weekend must not have received the word.

Unless she was just picking up a few things for the flight...


10 posted on 10/16/2006 8:20:45 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Just say "no" to Hillary, Nancy, Teddy, Harry, & Howard....vote Republican!)
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To: All

my post concerning this in the other thread

here is my take on Paul Williams from the exact same story almost a month ago

Whomever asked is this a reliable source, NO, Paul Willaims, and Joseph Farah have been saying this for almost all annual holidays, every ramadan, every hiroshima and nagasaki anniversary since 9/11. These people are sensationalists. If this information was so dire, people like ryan mauro and Farah wouldnt be charging 100 bucks a year for their intelligence news letters.

the threat is real however the entire 7-10 city thing has been around since 2002 when a fake email went around saying that they were going to do this.
http://antivirus.about.com/od/emailhoaxes/l/bljazeera.htm
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/nukes.htm
im not saying this shouldnt be our number 1 concern and everything should be done for it to be stopped.

i dont like how Farah and the people he is associated with continaully taking comments by people like Chertoff, Cheney, Bush ect about the biggest threat facing America are terrorists with a WMD and then using them to make it sound like its something only the people very high up in the CIA/ NSA/ FBI know.


Williams has a terrible EGO problem, he wrote at WND, i called senator specters office to cut through the red tape and introduced myself as a award winning journalist and former FBI consultant.
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49186
He also claims to know where Jafar the pilot is yet the FBI wont listen to him, (umm right). I also wonder why some sites refer to him as a doctor while others do not.

Paul Williams has a new book to pimp and its not doing well at all, its ranked over 49000 on Barnes and Noble, over 34000 on Amazon. it is also published by none other than Joseph Farahs WND. Put a bunch of sensationalist scaremongers together and you will get scary stuff.

Here is what is in my opinon of him trying to sell books through WND (this is just one example to save space but he pimps his book in every article)

"The couple became more convinced that the figure in question was the elusive terrorist after reading "The Al Qaeda Connection" by Paul L. Williams, a WND contributor and former FBI consultant"



He takes things out of context to make things look worse that they might actually be. this article is a perfect example of that. notice how this Abu Dawood says DC and NYC but williams says 7-10 cities. Notice how Mir says, dangerous materials which could be nothing more than explosives while Williams goes 7-10 suitcase bombs. he also contradicts himself and ive heard for myself Willaims adding cities and not mentioning other cities durning different radio broadcasts. Here is another example in a previous WND article (go figure) he says Tenet told bush that suitcase nukes have been smuggled across the border, he however never goes on to say that the informant was wrong in his information.

How Scary is this without the added information in the next part

"tenet told bush that multiple suitcase nukes have been smuggled across the border, bush blew up and ordered multiple underground bunkers to be built instead of securing the borders" (Its funny that the bunkers have been there since before Kennedy was in office)
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45203

Now how scary is the last comment with the new information

tenet told bush that multiple suitcase nukes have been smuggled across the border, The informant dragonfire reported a weapon had made it across the border and headed to NYC. After 2 weeks the report was found to be false and no weapons were found. make no mistake about it, Delta force, NERT, all were looking for this device.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007478

The comment he used is now less scary because he made it sound like weapons are here while the new information he didnt add says they knew and looked and nothing was found.

Willaims and Dastych also claim that Bin Laden tested a all out suitcase nukes in Afghanistan and NO ONE ever found out. this isint a so called dirty bomb like Mir says, Williams takes his own spin and says a all out nuke.

Mir telling Mauro it was a dirty bomb
http://www.worldthreats.com/general_information/aqarsenal.htm

Willaims and Dastych saying it was a Nuclear weapon
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49950


Williams also claimed to be beat up by the chechyen mob on one radio station and then on another it was the sicilians or another group. Why does that sound fishy to me? In another radio show he stutters and you cant make out who atacked him. he also claims that a senator (or some US offical) was there


Williams claims in his new book that OBL has 88, eighty eight nukes, 68 suitcase and 20 warheads. he may very well have them but even the morons at the MSM would pick that up. Another claim he makes is that he started his collection in 1992, it must have been a real pain in the arse to move 68, 80-160 pound cases along with nuclear warheads when the bombs started to fall back in 2001. i also dont understand that if they had nukes since 1992, a full 9 years before 9/11, why they were using aircraft for attacks instead of those weapons.

i remember reading in another thread that the guy sounds very sincere and made it sound urgent. There are 2 possible anwsers, 1, he is telling the truth, 2, he is trying to sell his book. I have listened to a a few shows with him on it and he stutters a lot. that could be a problem he has or could be a sign of lying. For those who think he sounds sincence, if you grew up in the big city, you will know people will make everything sound real when they want your money.

Here are links for all those who are scared about the risk of suitcase weapons.

http://cns.miis.edu/pubs/week/020923.htm
http://cns.miis.edu/pubs/week/040213.htm
http://www.jamestown.org/terrorism/news/article.php?articleid=2370152
http://www.thebulletin.org/article.php?art_ofn=so06arkin

now for those who say its info i dont want to hear so i deny it. that is simply not true however i would (as have i) take a closer look into the people who are saying these things over and over, remember this isint the first time, nor the 2nd or 3rd time that Williams and Farah have brought up this information. They are helping people become complacent to a very real threat that needs to be taken seriously, crying wolf dosent help in that.

please take this into consideration also

1, as i have pointed out, Williams has a book out which is a flop

2, This new article which is EXACTLY the same outside the first paragraph has a new author and another was taken off, Williams and Dastych wrote this the first time and now Dastych is gone and Jeffrey Epstein is in. Why oh why would they do such a thing, OH WAIT

3, the reason they added Epstein is simple, they have a conference to pimp. Its 109 bucks per person for Friday night and 150 per person for Saturday, thats 259 bucks for the 2 days

lets pray it never happens


11 posted on 10/16/2006 8:22:22 PM PDT by oldstyle81
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To: ModelBreaker

Well, if they should leave due to this threat, then I should say they should not be allowed back in at a later date . . . .


12 posted on 10/16/2006 8:22:34 PM PDT by Twinkie (Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.)
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To: beethovenfan

Kindof like that cult out in California a few years ago that offed themselves because they thought they'd be picked up by the mother ship as the comet came by.

Yeah, it's like that.

Bring it on! We're ready for Shock & Awe II!


13 posted on 10/16/2006 8:23:02 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Just say "no" to Hillary, Nancy, Teddy, Harry, & Howard....vote Republican!)
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To: FancyFrogPants

Well .. I'm not so sure of that .. but if this guy was really taken seriously, there would have already been a mass exodus. Since they're all still here - I'm not too concerned.


14 posted on 10/16/2006 8:23:54 PM PDT by CyberAnt (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: Firefigher NC
all Muslims to leave the U.S.

This is such a good idea; now can we depend on them to stay away and never, ever, come back?

15 posted on 10/16/2006 8:24:21 PM PDT by LucyT (... islam, the religion of peace; they will kill you to prove it.)
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To: beethovenfan

Well Happy RAMADAMADINGDONG!!!!!!!! These blood thirsty a-wipes need to be slaughtered. Piled as high as the World Trade Center.


16 posted on 10/16/2006 8:25:02 PM PDT by shankbear (Al-Qaeda grew while Monica blew)
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To: Firefigher NC

Hey Muslims, here's your call to prayer:

There is no God called Allah....

and Muhammed aint no prophet...

Signed,

Ali Baba and the 40theives....


17 posted on 10/16/2006 8:26:30 PM PDT by RadioCirca1970 (F.U. D.U!)
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To: Twinkie

Let's chip 'em now! It hurts less than a beheading. More secure than just an ID check.

I've never understood why they wouldn't want to go down with the ship. Isn't it an express ticket to Paradise and Allah?


18 posted on 10/16/2006 8:27:12 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Just say "no" to Hillary, Nancy, Teddy, Harry, & Howard....vote Republican!)
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To: RadioCirca1970

ROFL!!


19 posted on 10/16/2006 8:28:17 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Just say "no" to Hillary, Nancy, Teddy, Harry, & Howard....vote Republican!)
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To: Firefigher NC

So. Anybody know if any of these guys have actually packed up and LEFT??


20 posted on 10/16/2006 8:28:37 PM PDT by redhead (Valley Trash: The beer of champions!)
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To: Hildy
"Seriously, where do you think the next attack would be?"

Good question. Here is what I see happening. It's early Saturday afternoon and the season is winter. At hundreds of Wal-Marts nationwide, dark skinned people wearing coats walk in, find the greatest concentration of people in the store - that would be the checkout area - doff the coat revealing a bomb vest and summarily yank a lanyard. The bomb vest goes off killing the terrorist and several dozen people in the checkout area. Multiply this by, say, 400 stores and you have a major event.

This is only one of many possibilities, of course. I believe that we are in for a serious season of terrorism, and particularly if we find ourselves another Democratic administration and do a wholesale retreat from Iraq and Afghanistan. Read "retreat" as "cut and run."

21 posted on 10/16/2006 8:29:27 PM PDT by davisfh
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To: oldstyle81
"it must have been a real pain in the arse to move 68, 80-160 pound cases along with nuclear warheads when the bombs started to fall back in 2001."

The most obvious flaw in your deception is that you seem to assume that the nukes were in Afganistan. Anyone should be able to see that's nonsense. What value would a nuke in Afganistan have on the world market?

22 posted on 10/16/2006 8:31:20 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: Firefigher NC
Muslims to leave U.S.

Oh, to dream...

23 posted on 10/16/2006 8:31:41 PM PDT by NewLand (Always Remember September 11, 2001)
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To: davisfh

I agree with you. Especially if Dems take over.


24 posted on 10/16/2006 8:32:59 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: davisfh

I agree. With most of your scenario--the muzzies are not innovators, for the most part they go with what works.
Car bombs and bomb belts will be the delivery mechanism, but they need maximum shock value--that doesnt come from DC or LA, that comes in the heartland. Imagine your scenario (GOD FORBID) at the Mall of Am in MN. Day after Thanksgiving.

Only one problem, there'd be no living muslims left in this nation that night, because the retribution would be a bi*ch..Bush's peaceful religion hijacked rhetoric would not keep the masses at bay...


25 posted on 10/16/2006 8:33:04 PM PDT by RadioCirca1970 (F.U. D.U!)
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To: Firefigher NC

They'd better hurry; ramadan ends in 3 days.


26 posted on 10/16/2006 8:34:01 PM PDT by kalee
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To: FancyFrogPants

And don't let the door hit you...


27 posted on 10/16/2006 8:35:09 PM PDT by traumer
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To: oldstyle81; sageb1

Al Qaeda did the Spain bombings just before their election, with a far different result than they would achieve here if they tried the same thing. Do you think they are smart enough to know that if they attacked us prior to the elections the GOP would win in a landslide?


28 posted on 10/16/2006 8:35:28 PM PDT by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch (good fences make good neighbors!)
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To: davisfh

Your Walmart scenario is very possible, and I would hate to see the widespread hysteria it would cause.


29 posted on 10/16/2006 8:35:42 PM PDT by Firefigher NC
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To: ModelBreaker
I guess this would qualify as the cloud's silver-lining.

LOL!!

30 posted on 10/16/2006 8:37:45 PM PDT by radiohead (Hey Kerry, I'm still here; still hating your lying, stinking, guts you coward.)
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch

Yes.


31 posted on 10/16/2006 8:38:07 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: editor-surveyor

it was a sarcastic comment because i was calling williams claim that OBL has 68 suitcase nukes and that Williams claimed that they were tested in Afghanistan.

that suggests that they were there if you believe what williams says but i dont because it contradicts the person who made the original claim saying that it was a dirty bomb, not a nuke


32 posted on 10/16/2006 8:39:43 PM PDT by oldstyle81
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To: Firefigher NC

Idk, I'm a bit worried


33 posted on 10/16/2006 8:39:50 PM PDT by NorthEastRepublican
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To: Firefigher NC

Jihad muslims don't care about their own lives much less the lives of muslims in America...or anywhere for that matter.

Therefore, I find this rumor incredible.


34 posted on 10/16/2006 8:41:11 PM PDT by takenoprisoner
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To: Cobra64
I seem to remember them saying this once before.

This is the second Pakistani journalist to say this, the other ones name is Mir, he was on Fox & Glenn Beck show talking about it.

35 posted on 10/16/2006 8:41:55 PM PDT by blondee123 (Politicians are like diapers, need to be changed often & for the same reason!)
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To: Firefigher NC
I would hate to see the widespread hysteria it would cause.

Hysteria, no. Revenge pogrom, yes. Many people underestimate "mob mentality". This was the reason that the media covered up the DC sniper shootings. The local law enforcement knew that it could cause a backlash. The simmering hate and resentment against all things Islamic is at a full boil. Check out the White House Iftar Dinner thread, if it is still around.

36 posted on 10/16/2006 8:48:32 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (We shall never forget the atrocities of September 11, 2001.)
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To: Cobra64

I think in 2004? There was a web posting with picture of mushroom cloud over NYC. ALSO, for the first time in months, the "This is Not a Test" test came on my TV the other day. Hadn't seen them in decades until after 9/11. They were at least a few times a month for a few years, then zip. Now, they're back. I remember them vividly from my childhood (I am 42).


37 posted on 10/16/2006 8:54:21 PM PDT by PghBaldy (Depose Nancy! What did she know and when did she know it?)
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To: oldstyle81; All
Only a fool would say that there is no threat from terrorists in the middle of this global jihad that has been forced upon America by al Qaeda and their kind.

Having said that, Joe Farah over at World Nut Daily has been peddling this "American Hiroshima" and other chicken-little nonsense for years now, and every holiday, every anniversary of this or that, means that at WND, it's [run! hide!] *WMD*!!!

But don't despair you doomed souls you, for ONLY $99 bucks you too can receive Joe Farah's highly coveted [cue mighty thunder and lightning bolts from above] G2-INTELLIGENCE NEWSLETTER!!!

Now I'll be the first to admit that Farah and his WND site has some useful news stories and interesting commentary but the blatant hucksterism and alarmist tactics being used by Joe to sell his various specialty products is at the least, unbecoming, and at the worst, fearmongering.

You won't see me spending one red cent over there.
38 posted on 10/16/2006 8:58:39 PM PDT by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: PghBaldy

AQ Khan supposedly visited Afghanistan. Pakistan will NOT allow us to interview him. AQ is nothing if not surprising. I wonder about these specific reports, but am not the type that believe that since no nukes have gone off, AQ doesn't have them. IF Pakistan's coup had succeeded, AQ would have had nukes AND missiles (maybe not ICBM, but )...


39 posted on 10/16/2006 9:00:27 PM PDT by PghBaldy (Depose Nancy! What did she know and when did she know it?)
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To: ARealMothersSonForever
This was the reason that the media covered up the DC sniper shootings. The local law enforcement knew that it could cause a backlash. The simmering hate and resentment against all things Islamic is at a full boil.

You know, FR and the world are two different things.

40 posted on 10/16/2006 9:01:43 PM PDT by Strategerist (Those who know what's best for us must rise and save us from ourselves)
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To: Strategerist

Thank goodness for that! The only point being that extremism feeds extremism.


41 posted on 10/16/2006 9:04:24 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (We shall never forget the atrocities of September 11, 2001.)
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To: Firefigher NC

Yeah, it's a religion of peace.


42 posted on 10/16/2006 9:05:43 PM PDT by GOPJ (Death Cult Alert: Every Muslim hero since Mohammed, has been a mass murderer.)
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To: MarkeyD

Yeah, they're moving to China… where the U.S. auto industry jobs are going.


43 posted on 10/16/2006 9:05:44 PM PDT by dgallo51 (DEMAND IMMEDIATE, OPEN INVESTIGATIONS OF U.S. COMPLICITY IN RWANDAN GENOCIDE!)
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To: Firefigher NC
OK. We might as well know from the enemy.

Then to it!

44 posted on 10/16/2006 9:29:03 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: RadioCirca1970
"Imagine your scenario (GOD FORBID) at the Mall of Am in MN. Day after Thanksgiving."

Yes, that would be horrific, but the Mall of America is only one location. The scenario that I have imagined involves hundreds of Wal-Marts across the nation. Imagine, if you will, hundreds of suicide bombers doing their thing at the same time. Let's say 4 PM eastern time on Saturday, 3 PM central, 2 PM mountain and 1 PM pacific.

The only problem that I see here is finding several hundred terrorists willing to blow themselves up. That seems to not be a problem these days.

45 posted on 10/16/2006 9:35:29 PM PDT by davisfh
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To: davisfh
I was thinking more along the lines of a football game where there would be many people and even if a small area was targeted the mass hysteria would be overwhelming. I also hate the NJ turnpike where all the oil refineries and power plants are. Hitting that area would be dangerous. There are so many Muslims in Jersey City that I would think you might find some nutcases to do it. When the trade center was hit the 1st time in 1993 it was Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman, who preached at mosques in Brooklyn and Jersey City, and was sentenced to life imprisonment for masterminding the bombing. I think the NY NJ area would be an area they would go for.
46 posted on 10/16/2006 10:01:15 PM PDT by pandoraou812 ( barbaric with zero tolerance and dilligaf?)
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To: davisfh
The next attack:

Reinforced cargo containers or large heavy duty construction dumpsters modified to act as "War wagons". Gun ports,reinforced sides and all the ammo you want, rockets grenades use your imagination
Car bombs on the freeway to shut it down both ways. Empty lane in one direction and massive traffic jam in the other. Pull the war wagon down the empty side and open fire on the jammed side. Do this in both directions after the traffic has backed up and you could kill thousands. Have motorcycles to give yourself a chance of escape. Do this in 15 or 20 major cities at the same time. Who is getting on the freeway to go to work tomorrow?? Not me. Massive financial impact.
I thought of this as soon as I had to give up the old "Blow the levies in New Orleans during a hurricane" plan. Mother nature took care of that one.
How about use your suitcase nuke to blow apart the Hawaiian Island that is ready to slide half of it into the ocean. Create a sunami that hits the west coast. Happened before. A bit of a stretch I'll admit. but it would have a huge payoff.
Overpressure your hose outlet in your backyard and pump poison into the water supply. Gets rid of that old dilution problem. Make you doubt something as basic as tap water.
Hey maybe you could mess with the spinach supply.
We are so wide open it is beyond belief and it is impossible
to protect us. We cannot fix this on our side.
47 posted on 10/16/2006 10:22:22 PM PDT by calljack (Sometimes your worst nightmare is just a start.)
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To: Firefigher NC
ALL MUSLIMS MUST LEAVE THE UNITED STATES IMMEDIATELY. BUS, BOAT PLANE OR TRAIN...LEAVE NOW...WE CARE A GREAT DEAL ABOUT YOU...SO LEAVE AND LIVE IN A NICE ISLAMIC COUNTRY, FULL OF SHIRIA LAW....A PLACE YOU CAN BE HAPPY! LEAVE NOW AND SAVE YOURSELVES! THANK YOU!
48 posted on 10/16/2006 11:03:29 PM PDT by Dallas59 (Muslims Are Only Guests In Western Countries)
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

I do believe Muslims would be in danger from Americans after an terrorist attack in this country more so than the attack from thier own kind.


49 posted on 10/16/2006 11:09:08 PM PDT by Dallas59 (Muslims Are Only Guests In Western Countries)
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To: All

here is some thoughts i have had

this guy says the United States could face big attacks durning the mouth of Ramadan. im not a doc of this stuff and this is only my opinon but wouldnt you want to make it more omminous that saying "could" especially after saying we would?

we must also look at how extremist look at "Allahs punishment", remember back durning Katrina they said Allah was punishing America for bad policy and the city of homosexuals? im sure some are over there looking at the natural disasters in Buffalo, Hawaii, and to a extent Houston (Flooduing) as Allah's punishment.

lets hope our tax dollars are working hard for us and the FBI/CIA/NSA is working overtime to keep us safe. We should also keep in mind that Al Qaeda has a propaganda ring which is running overtime.


50 posted on 10/16/2006 11:26:32 PM PDT by oldstyle81
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