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CaliforniaRepublic.org ^ | 10/17/06 | Ray Haynes

Posted on 10/17/2006 3:41:21 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

If we have lost anything in this country, it is our sense of what is important in a political election.

Recently, in California’s election race, Oakland Mayor [and former Governor], Jerry Brown, called Chuck Poochigian an extremist because State Senator Poochigian believes in the Constitution.

Mayor Brown is a very smart and experienced politician. Obviously, he thought his accusation would get him votes. That is very frightening. An electorate that doesn’t soundly reject any politician who advocates ignoring the Constitution, expanding government power, and diminishing freedom is in serious trouble. In so many ways, California is in serious trouble.

Quite frankly, there are just too few voters whose decision on issues and politicians are driven by protection of the fundamental American value of freedom.

Of course, a lot of politicians invoke that value in political discussions to justify their political positions. Unfortunately, in California, fewer and fewer politicians believe that they need to use their defense of freedom as a reason to vote for them. Like Brown, they just invoke some obscure fear as a reason for government expansion. The people then vote for him over someone, like Senator Poochigian, who will actually defend freedom and the Constitution.

There are bigger things to fear. Like an all powerful government.

In the last week, Secretary of State records revealed that the League of California Cities gave over $2.5 million to oppose Proposition 90. When the contributions from the California State Association of Counties ($400,000) and the California Redevelopment Association ($300,000) are added to the totals, the contributions to the No on 90 campaign from government supported organizations totals over $3.2 million. In addition, the list of donors includes a laundry list of private organizations who make money off of big government, either as government vendors (such as lawyers, trash collectors, and street improvement contractors) or beneficiaries of the use of government powers (such as the developers who use eminent domain to take your property so they can pay less money for their development projects).

Almost $5 million has been collected by the opposition.

The question is: how did they get that money? How are the League, CSAC, and the CRA able to raise $3.2 million to contribute to a political campaign, when they a consortium of local government entities? They say the money is “nonpublic” funds, but how can that be? Are there private individuals whose favorite charities are lobbying organizations for government? Or, are these just our taxes, laundered through some complicated scheme, into the campaign? Are those private organizations who are contributing to oppose property rights in California getting preferential treatment from these governments for helping to protect the power of these governments? Or are they being forced to pay the money under threat of being denied some government permit to do business? The whole thing stinks.

The former Soviet Union used to have elections, complete with campaigns. The people were told they were free because they had a Constitution and elections, but the courts ignored the Constitution and the government hijacked the elections. If anyone had the audacity to challenge the existing power structure, they were first vilified, and then jailed.

In California today, our courts routinely ignore our constitutionally guaranteed rights, such as property rights. And government uses our own tax dollars to vilify anyone who deigns to challenge the inappropriate assertion of government power, like those who support Proposition 90

Why should freedom be the overriding value in our political choices? Unless we vigilantly defend and preserve freedom, evil things like government trying to hijack elections, will continue to occur. The campaign against Proposition 90 has exposed this evil. The only question is whether we will heed the warnings, or succumb to an all powerful government.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; first; freedom; freedomfirst; jerrybrown; poochigian; prop90; propertyrights; rayhaynes
Mr. Haynes is an Assembly member representing Riverside and Temecula. He serves on the Appropriations and Budget Committees.
1 posted on 10/17/2006 3:41:21 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

CSAC is the parent association of a ton of other special interest, taxpayer funded non-profit associatons, many of which work behind the scenes (oh yeah, they get feedback from "stakeholders" which are primarily other government agencies, payroll associations, etc., looking to expand funding for upcoming fiscal years) to expand their funding. This of course is done "for the public interest" which I translate to "for the spineless socialist bureaucrats." But CSAC also has a special separate, private aspect (that I don't know much about) where they raise money. CSACs employees do not pay into Social Security but instead enjoy a San Bernardino County retirement program.


2 posted on 10/17/2006 4:07:42 PM PDT by MonicaG (Praying for our troops, leadership, Israel & IDF. Thanks to our veterans & their families.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Ray Haynes - Freedom BUMP!

YES on Proposition 90!
http://www.90yes.com/


3 posted on 10/17/2006 6:31:32 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: NormsRevenge; ElkGroveDan; CounterCounterCulture
The real question in my mind is: Is it legal for cities to be spending money on political campaigns, albeit in this case, with a middle man to launder the money???
4 posted on 10/17/2006 6:53:34 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: calcowgirl

We shall overcome.


5 posted on 10/17/2006 8:15:34 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (McClintock for Lt. Governor; Strickland for Controller; Poochigian for AG; Mountjoy for Senate)
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To: Carry_Okie; marsh2; NormsRevenge; ElkGroveDan; tubebender; hedgetrimmer; forester; dalereed; ...
Why can't this be legally challenged?

Why doesn't this thread get more play?

I hate to see it sink off the sidebar so I bumped it for further play. I hope others will do it too.

6 posted on 10/18/2006 9:56:21 PM PDT by SierraWasp (To be fair, Bill Clinton did more than any other President to protect us from the Branch Davidians!)
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To: Carry_Okie

The real question in my mind is: Is it legal for cities to be spending money on political campaigns, albeit in this case, with a middle man to launder the money???



Carry, is this a rhetorical question?

It reminds me of the question... "Is it legal for public employee unions to contribute to political campaigns for the elected officials that will subsequently direct the policies that effect public employee benefits?" (ie: bribing the boss)


7 posted on 10/18/2006 10:43:55 PM PDT by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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To: NormsRevenge

How Jerry Brown could seriously be considered a viable candidate for Attorney General is beyond me. This guy is as anti-law and order as they come. Murderers get more sympathy out of him than the victims do. Governor moonbeam is unfit to hold any public office, let alone one associated with the criminal justice system.

As for public funds going to fund campaign issues, I think that's probably the tip of the iceberg.

Look at how far left our schools and universities have gone. Public funds? The far left agenda for pre-K through 12 is just as soiled, and paid for by public funds. The land conservencies get public fund grants to purchase as much land as they can, so John and Jane Doe can't. Now the scheme is so sordid that these conservancies are doing their damndest to make sure family land is not handed down to the heirs. No it should become part of a land trust before hand and be awarded to another socialist land grabber org. upon the death of the owner. I'll bet the ones in favor of this would be appauled if a church were to be the benefactor instead.

Perhaps what stinks about all this more than anything else, is that people who are supposed to be conservatives don't raise a whimper of an objection to all this. Of course I'm speaking of our elected officials.

The Santa Monica Land Conservency now manages (rules) the land clear up to La Cresenta, California. For those who don't know, that just east of Pasadena above Glendale. The inland movement of the Santa Monica Land Conservency should find it in Palm Springs in another ten to twenty years. Frankly, I object.

The price of housing is going up at an incredible rate in Southern California. Part of the reason is that the region is becoming land locked. With all the land grabs by these conservency groups, there's little left for developers anymore. Course we could commute from Barstow...

It is very frustrating to watch this nation go down.


8 posted on 10/18/2006 10:51:30 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking it's heritage.)
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To: Paloma_55
Carry, is this a rhetorical question?

No, I think there's a legal distinction. To deny individual citizens to make campaign contributions is of course illegal. To deny them to hire an agent to do it is also legal. So the case for banning public employee union contributions is weaker than the case for banning public employee unions in the first place.

Cities on the other hand are neither citizens nor agents for hire.

9 posted on 10/18/2006 10:58:42 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: NormsRevenge

CSAC is the California State Association of Counties (County governments.)


10 posted on 10/19/2006 3:08:53 AM PDT by marsh2
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To: NormsRevenge; SierraWasp
I forwarded this to the Humboldt Tax Payers League...
11 posted on 10/19/2006 8:25:53 AM PDT by tubebender (Growing old is mandatory...Growing up is optional)
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To: SierraWasp; .38sw; 359Henrie; 1 FELLOW FREEPER; 101viking; 1IDVET; 1lawlady; ...

California freepers, take action, take to the streets and spread the word on what this man is.


12 posted on 10/19/2006 9:00:07 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: SierraWasp; M. Peach; Maccabee-AJB; Madame X; MadMoo; Mad_Tom_Rackham; maid of orleans; ...

Attorney General Moonbeam?


13 posted on 10/19/2006 9:02:08 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: SierraWasp
They say the money is “nonpublic” funds...

How can an organization of governmental agencies have non-public funds?

14 posted on 10/19/2006 9:05:13 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: SierraWasp
"Unless we vigilantly defend and preserve freedom, evil things like government trying to hijack elections, will continue to occur."

And with moonbeam as AG, no prosecution will ever occur.

15 posted on 10/19/2006 9:07:52 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: NormsRevenge
The question is: how did they get that money? How are the League, CSAC, and the CRA able to raise $3.2 million to contribute to a political campaign, when they a consortium of local government entities? They say the money is “nonpublic” funds, but how can that be? Are there private individuals whose favorite charities are lobbying organizations for government? Or, are these just our taxes, laundered through some complicated scheme, into the campaign?

Excellent questions. A neutral journalist could win a Pulitzer Prize for answering them.

16 posted on 10/19/2006 9:11:18 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: editor-surveyor

Incredible as it may seem, Brown is a moderate Democrat, in comparison to the loony-left, aka Boxer, Murtha, Pelosi, etc.


17 posted on 10/19/2006 9:17:06 AM PDT by veronica (http://www.freerepublic.com/~starcmc/)
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To: NormsRevenge

Assemblyman Haynes’ office can be reached at (951) 699-1113 in Temecula, California

or in the Capitol in Sacramento at (916) 319-2066

To subscribe to this Memorandum by e-mail, please send a request to:

Assemblymember.haynes@assembly.ca.gov


18 posted on 10/19/2006 9:21:37 AM PDT by gc4nra ( this tag line protected by Kimber and the First Amendment (I voted for McClintock))
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To: NormsRevenge
Recently, in California’s election race, Oakland Mayor [and former Governor], Jerry Brown, called Chuck Poochigian an extremist because State Senator Poochigian believes in the Constitution.

I thought we had ridden California from Brown Rot. Guess not. Vote for Poochigian for AG!

19 posted on 10/19/2006 9:21:51 AM PDT by afnamvet (It is what it is.)
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To: veronica
"Incredible as it may seem, Brown is a moderate Democrat, in comparison to the loony-left, aka Boxer, Murtha, Pelosi, etc."

No, Jerry is no moderate, he is simply more subtile (and far more intelligent) than his co-horts.

20 posted on 10/19/2006 9:22:10 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: veronica

There is nothing "moderate" about Jerry Brown.


21 posted on 10/19/2006 9:22:18 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: veronica

"Brown is a moderate Democrat"

He's a far out liberal homo with the addition of of wierd ideas.

Where do you think he got the title "moonbeam"?


22 posted on 10/19/2006 9:24:55 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: veronica
Incredible as it may seem, Brown is a moderate Democrat, in comparison to the loony-left, aka Boxer, Murtha, Pelosi, etc.

So he at first appears. In truth he is amazingly insidious.

23 posted on 10/19/2006 9:27:33 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: editor-surveyor; SierraWasp; Carry_Okie; hedgetrimmer
How can an organization of governmental agencies have non-public funds?

My guess is they are getting a lot of "private" funds via the new zeal for "public private partnerships"

24 posted on 10/19/2006 9:28:09 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: dalereed

I know all about him. He is the louse who put Judge Rose Bird in a position to reverse the death penalties of the Manson gang. But I still think he's less radical than the Kos-kissing wackos out there these days.


25 posted on 10/19/2006 9:31:15 AM PDT by veronica (http://www.freerepublic.com/~starcmc/)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Excellent questions. A neutral journalist could win a Pulitzer Prize for answering them.

A Pulitzer? Never. These days they go only to ultra-liberals. Maybe a Murdoch Prize if there were such a thing. The fact there isn't something along those lines for conservatives is part of the problem we face. We accept, and operate within, rules made by liberals.

26 posted on 10/19/2006 9:42:51 AM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: editor-surveyor; NormsRevenge

BTTT


27 posted on 10/19/2006 10:18:20 AM PDT by SmithL (Where are we going? . . . . And why are we in this handbasket????)
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To: NormsRevenge

Thanks for the "Heads Up"! Will comply.


28 posted on 10/19/2006 10:19:44 AM PDT by Blake#1
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To: NormsRevenge

BUMP for freedom.


29 posted on 10/19/2006 10:53:58 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created..." - Thomas Jefferson et al)
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To: veronica
Actually, Ronnie, Brown is more dangerous in his ability to morph and twist stolen ideas. He is as far left as Stalin and after the same thing, power. His lefty administration of the socialist people's republic of California was the turning point of absolute socialist bureaucracy control of the state. It destroyed the productivity of so many state agencies that he lost his bid for the presidency and could only succeed in one of the few third world areas of the state, Oakland. To make himself look different, he "changed" spots and became law an order, and pro military school. However crime and gang activity skyrocketed in and around Oakland while police officers were put on trial, (sound familiar?). He simply renamed leftist power grab policies with moderate sounding names to APPEAR reasonable, and hope to fool the electorate. The fools in Oakland elected him, hopefully they are only in Oakland, and he is toast statewide.
30 posted on 10/19/2006 11:04:06 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Unwilling pawn)
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To: DoughtyOne

I understand violent crime went up something like 70% while Moonbean was Mayor of Oakland. That's just what we need, a molly-coddling, pro-illegal immigrant, bleeding heart Leftie as top cop of a state increasingly being taken over by the criminal element.


31 posted on 10/19/2006 11:08:24 AM PDT by attiladhun2 (Islam is a despotism so vile that it would warm the heart of Orwell's Big Brother)
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To: calcowgirl

They're also extorting people and firms who do business with them. If you need things like, say, land use entitlements, building permits, tract maps etc., the word went out a while ago to contribute to the no on 90 efforts, or face the consequences.


32 posted on 10/19/2006 11:48:05 AM PDT by absalom01 (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.)
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To: absalom01

I realized that after I posted. I found that the League of California Cities has their very own PAC where they can collect the extortion money.

http://www.citipac.org/


33 posted on 10/19/2006 11:55:08 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: SierraWasp
"Why can't this be legally challenged?"

It probably can be, Wasp, but what will happen once it gets to the Ninth Circus Court of Corruption?

And so it goes, as our government elites at all levels--federal, state and local--continue to grow bolder and bolder. Ignoring laws they don't want to enforce; feathering their own nests at an alarming pace; further insulating themselves from the reach of the voters whenever possible; increasingly avoiding responsibility and accountability; and engaging in actions that are directly in opposition to the best interests of the voters. This has now gotten so bad that it is unlikely that government can be returned to the voters without drastic action.

" I hate to see it sink off the sidebar so I bumped it for further play. I hope others will do it too."

Consider it bumped.

34 posted on 10/19/2006 1:04:19 PM PDT by Czar ( StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: attiladhun2

That's the way I see it.


35 posted on 10/19/2006 1:12:17 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking it's heritage.)
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To: editor-surveyor; calcowgirl; NormsRevenge; Carry_Okie; Amerigomag; SierraWasp
"Attorney General Moonbeam?"

Just what we need. Isn't this the jackass that gave us Rose Bird?

Would be a perfect fit with the Austrian, though. Two peas in a pod. At least Moonbeam doesn't pretend to be anything other than the Rat he is, while the Great Equivocator keeps trying to persuade Republicans that he really is one of us. Hell, it's gotten so bad he can no longer qualify as a RINO--he's far worse; in spirit, a true big government borrow & spend Rat.

36 posted on 10/19/2006 1:16:41 PM PDT by Czar ( StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: Czar
"drastic action"

Ya mean like in France, with their (bleepin) guillotine?

Ya mean like our own Declaration of Independence where we pointed up George's Bureaucrats and their "insolence of office?"

Ya mean like Mousolini and his woman? Or even Cherchestque(never could spell his name) over in Romania?

What's it gonna be, there, Mr. Czar? Oh wait! Ya mean like the Czar and Czarina???

Talk about yer "sudden death" play-offs!!!

37 posted on 10/19/2006 1:19:29 PM PDT by SierraWasp (To be fair, Bill Clinton did more than any other President to protect us from the Branch Davidians!)
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To: Czar

Thanks for da "BUMPS!"


38 posted on 10/19/2006 1:21:26 PM PDT by SierraWasp (To be fair, Bill Clinton did more than any other President to protect us from the Branch Davidians!)
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To: veronica
LMAO!! (Nice tagline!)
39 posted on 10/19/2006 2:35:09 PM PDT by StarCMC ("So what was the price to betray us - Judas?" - SGT Mark Russak to Traitor Murtha)
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To: DoughtyOne
The Santa Monica Land Conservency now manages (rules) the land clear up to La Cresenta, California. For those who don't know, that just east of Pasadena above Glendale.

D1, does this refer to land in the Santa Monica Mountains and San Gabriel Mountains? I am curious, as I recall the Conservancy acquiring Solstice Canyon back in the mid-'90s but haven't kept track of their acquisitions since then.

I thought the Santa Monica Mountains were either federal or state lands...

40 posted on 10/19/2006 6:25:17 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (God bless America, land that I love. NEVER FORGET ... Some Gave All ...)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Excellent questions. A neutral journalist could win a Pulitzer Prize for answering them.

Aren't journalists supposed to ask the questions?

41 posted on 10/19/2006 6:39:45 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS Is A Slap In The Face To The USBP!!)
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To: Carry_Okie

Spending public money.
To defeat a proposition to limit government excess.
Paid to an increasingly failing MSM.
Thereby helping keep MSM afloat.
Which neverendingly promotes the spending public money.

Sounds like a perpetual cycle.

Antidisestablishmentarianism.


42 posted on 10/19/2006 8:50:26 PM PDT by Avoiding_Sulla (You can't see where we're going when you don't look where we've been.)
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To: absalom01

There is a great article on my bookmarks page about Red China documenting how much easier it is to start a business there than in the United States.


43 posted on 10/20/2006 3:40:42 AM PDT by The Westerner
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To: La Enchiladita

The Conservancy has established control over some relatively small parcels in the San Gabriels immediately above La Canada, adjacent to the Angeles National Forest, and in the Verdugos. They have been the prime movers behind the "Rim of the Valley Corridor", which, if implemented, would give them effective control of all undeveloped land in the Verdugs, the San Rafaels, and portions of La Tuna Canyon.

Prop. 90 would drive this particular group of proto-totalitarians nuts.


44 posted on 10/20/2006 10:31:00 AM PDT by absalom01 (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.)
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To: absalom01; DoughtyOne
Thank you. I did not know that, and now I am more motivated than ever to vote YES on Prop. 90, which I planned to do anyway.

D1, see post #44.

45 posted on 10/20/2006 10:40:38 AM PDT by La Enchiladita (God bless America, land that I love. NEVER FORGET ... Some Gave All ...)
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To: La Enchiladita

Thanks for the note. I appreciate it.


How do you like this attempt to make it look like the Santa Monica Conservency is part of the government of the State of California?

http://smmc.ca.gov/

Check out the map on this site. In truth, I don't think the map shows all their land, but it's a good start.

http://www.lamountains.com/parks_search.asp


46 posted on 10/20/2006 4:17:40 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking it's heritage.)
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To: La Enchiladita

The federal and state lands angle is important here. I don't know what the actual status of these lands is. Is the federal government granting these lands to the consevancies? Is it granting them the funds to purchase these and or other land tracts? Is it merely using these NGOs to manage public lands?

It's amazing how many land conservancies there are out there.


47 posted on 10/21/2006 12:51:00 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking it's heritage.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Hey, D1. I read your previous post yesterday but was too stunned to think of a reply! I had no idea of all the territory that has been acquired by the SM Conservancy, either as ownership or management.

I first became aware of them when they became owners of Solstice Canyon, one of my favorite places to hike, especially in May when the yucca are in bloom. It's a lovely, lovely place.

But, as I said, I tuned out since then -- @ 10 years ago -- as to their activities, although I believe they had something to do with Streisand's transfer of her Malibu lands.

Yes, it is not clear how much land they OWN and how much they "MANAGE." And who is the owner of the lands they manage?

I've known of The Nature Conservancy for 20 years. They have purview of a LOT of land in Arizona, and quite a bit in CA, including the Anza-Borrego wilderness.

Conservation groups protect bighorn sheep habitat near Anza-Borrego Desert State Park

The Anza-Borrego Foundation purchased the land from a private seller for $221,000 with The Nature Conservancy providing $100,000 in grant funds. The Foundation plans to convey the property to California State Parks for incorporation into the 600,000-acre park.

So, what does "convey" mean?

48 posted on 10/21/2006 11:58:03 AM PDT by La Enchiladita (God bless America, land that I love. NEVER FORGET ... Some Gave All ...)
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To: NormsRevenge

Thanks to my Assemblyman...


49 posted on 10/21/2006 12:01:12 PM PDT by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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