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Santorum defends Iraq war (uses Lord of the Rings analogy)
Bucks County Courier Times ^ | October 17, 2006 | ALISON HAWKES

Posted on 10/18/2006 2:26:04 PM PDT by Stone Mountain

Santorum defends Iraq war

By ALISON HAWKES

Bucks County Courier Times

Embattled U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum said America has avoided a second terrorist attack for five years because the “Eye of Mordor” has been drawn to Iraq instead.

Santorum used the analogy from one of his favorite books, J.R.R. Tolkien's 1950s fantasy classic “Lord of the Rings,” to put an increasingly unpopular war in Iraq into terms any school kid could easily understand.

“As the hobbits are going up Mount Doom, the Eye of Mordor is being drawn somewhere else,” Santorum said, describing the tool the evil Lord Sauron used in search of the magical ring that would consolidate his power over Middle-earth.

“It's being drawn to Iraq and it's not being drawn to the U.S.,” Santorum continued. “You know what? I want to keep it on Iraq. I don't want the Eye to come back here to the United States.”

In an interview with the Bucks County Courier Times editorial board late last week, the 12-year Republican senator from Pennsylvania said he's “a big "Lord of the Rings' fan.” He's read the first of the series, “The Hobbit” to his six children.

A spokesman for Democratic opponent Bob Casey Jr. questioned the appropriateness of the analogy.

“You have to really question the judgment of a U.S. senator who compares the war in Iraq to a fantasy book,” said Casey spokesman Larry Smar. “This is just like when he said Kim Jong II isn't a threat because he just wants to "watch NBA basketball.' ”

According to a Harrisburg Patriot-News editorial, Santorum said the North Korea dictator “doesn't want to die; he wants to watch NBA basketball” as a reason why Iran is the bigger nuclear threat.

Faced with a no-fantasy re-election battle against Democratic challenger and state Treasurer Bob Casey Jr., Santorum has positioned himself as strong on national security.

To counter Casey's claims that Santorum voted with President George Bush “98 percent of the time.” Santorum pointedly mentioned their areas of difference, specifically on Iran and its nuclear weapons program.

He called the Bush Administration's policy to negotiate with Iran “at worst appeasement and at best constructive engagement, either of which are wrong.”

“They believe you can negotiate with [Iran President] Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the mullahs on the issue of nuclear weapons and you cannot,” Santorum said. “You cannot negotiate something away from someone who has a messianic vision to a religious conviction that they need this weapon.”

Santorum said he managed to work out an agreement between Congress and the White House on a plan to toughen sanctions and fund Iranian pro-democracy groups. But he seemed frustrated by questions about U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq.

“I don't think you ask that question,” he said. “I know that's the question everybody wants to ask. But I don't think anyone would ask that question in 1944, "Gee, how long are we going to be in Europe?' We're going to be in Europe until we win,” Santorum said.

Asked whether he thinks U.S. troops will be in Iraq a half-century later, as they still are in Germany, Santorum said “potentially.”

“Having a presence there as we have since the Gulf War in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait is certainly not against the interests of America if, in fact, we're welcome to be there,” he said.

Santorum insisted the U.S. needed to take out Saddam Hussein because he “by all accounts, had weapons of mass destruction ... he was fomenting terrorism, he was paying for terrorists to kill Israelis and he was supporting terrorist objectives.

“To say we're being bogged down in Iraq, I disagree with you,” he said in response to a question. “We are fighting the war that we are engaged in — Islamic fascism — in Iraq. We are fighting those people right now, the people who, if we left, would come here and destroy us.”

The 911 Commission report found that while Saddam had been in contact with al-Qaida, there was no evidence the contacts ever turned into “a collaborative operational relationship” or that Iraq cooperated in the attacks against the U.S.

Santorum demurred on the growing strength of the Taliban in Afghanistan, the U.S.'s first post-9/11 nation-building effort, and the failure to capture Osama bin Laden.

“You know, what we have is a lousy enemy,” Santorum said about the Taliban resurgence in Afghanistan. “This enemy is really tough. And I underestimated this enemy ... and the problem is [the] American people underestimated this enemy.”

According to his campaign and published news reports, Casey also doesn't support a timeline for troop withdrawal. Casey criticized Bush for going first to Iraq, the weakest link in the “Axis of Evil,” while Iran and North Korea have developed nuclear capabilities.

Casey has been invited to meet with the editorial board, but hasn't yet agreed to do so.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: hobbits; lord; rings; santorum
Some wag pointed out that Sen. Rick Santorum is an anagram for SAURON TRICKS MEN! : )
1 posted on 10/18/2006 2:26:07 PM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: Stone Mountain

Were you that wag?....Anyway, I've used the LOTR analogy myself.


2 posted on 10/18/2006 2:27:47 PM PDT by My2Cents (The Democrat Party's '06 platform: Offering a "Suicide Pact With America.")
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To: My2Cents

Not me - I wish, though! I saw it in some letters to the editor section...


3 posted on 10/18/2006 2:28:20 PM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: Stone Mountain

4 posted on 10/18/2006 2:28:35 PM PDT by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: struggle

Why is that picture making me hot? : )


5 posted on 10/18/2006 2:29:40 PM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: Stone Mountain
Some wag pointed out that Casey stands for

Commie
Appeaser
Stupid
Elitists
Yippee

6 posted on 10/18/2006 2:30:59 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (EeevilCon, Snowflake, Conservative Fundamentalist Gun Owning Bush Bot Dittohead reporting for duty!)
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To: Stone Mountain

As Polybius wrote in his history, the Romans thought it was better to fight Hannibal's ally Philip V of Macedon in his own country than to wait around until they had to fight him in Italy.


7 posted on 10/18/2006 2:31:56 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Stone Mountain

8 posted on 10/18/2006 2:36:14 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Stone Mountain
Hey Casey,


9 posted on 10/18/2006 2:38:52 PM PDT by Hoodat ( ETERNITY - Smoking, or Non-smoking?)
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To: Stone Mountain
“You have to really question the judgment of a U.S. senator who compares the war in Iraq to a fantasy book,” said Casey spokesman Larry Smar.

He'd do better to argue about the merits of the analogy, rather than the source. At any rate, the "fantasy book" is a classic, an epic tale of the battle between good and evil. Not too long ago it was made into three blockbuster movies. So don't bash LotR.

10 posted on 10/18/2006 2:44:13 PM PDT by Irish Rose (Will work for chocolate.)
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To: Stone Mountain; My2Cents

I've used that analogy too. With some lefties I met because we were both fans of the LotR series.


11 posted on 10/18/2006 2:51:38 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger (Lord, help me to be the Christian conservative that liberals fear I am.)
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To: ecurbh
The last updated list of pings shows you're the Hobbit Hole master, so I figure this is appropriate for that.
12 posted on 10/18/2006 2:52:47 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger (Lord, help me to be the Christian conservative that liberals fear I am.)
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To: Irish Rose
"“You have to really question the judgment of a U.S. senator who compares the war in Iraq to a fantasy book,” said Casey spokesman Larry Smar."

You have to use John Lennon songs! What was Santorum thinking?

13 posted on 10/18/2006 2:53:17 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary (Bukhari:V1B1N6 “Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country.”)
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To: Stone Mountain

Casey's just mad because he rooted for Sauron in the movie.


14 posted on 10/18/2006 2:53:43 PM PDT by American Quilter (You can't negotiate with people who are dedicated to your destruction.)
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To: Stone Mountain

I think it's a fantastic analogy.


15 posted on 10/18/2006 2:53:56 PM PDT by FarRightFanatic
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Casey is one to talk. He's a low wattage bulb.


16 posted on 10/18/2006 2:56:23 PM PDT by Callahan
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To: Stone Mountain
"Santorum defends Iraq war (uses Lord of the Rings analogy)"

Maybe slightly off topic, but sometimes I wonder what would have happened if Neville Chamberlain had stood up to Hitler rather than appeasing him. Chamberlain probably would have gone down in history reviled and considered a warmonger, and only a small percentage of the population would have had any notion of the good he had done.
17 posted on 10/18/2006 3:00:02 PM PDT by Moral Hazard ("No we all can't be Superfly GQPhdFBI")
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To: Irish Rose
Tolkien did in fact have totalitarianism (Germany & Russia) in mind when he wrote the trilogy. It is a perfect analogy for Iraq/Islamofacism.Casey is another example among a host of today's democrats/shallow minded liberals that fit the model of spineless characters in "Lord of the Rings".
18 posted on 10/18/2006 3:01:35 PM PDT by Apercu ("A man's character is his fate" - Heraclitus)
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To: Stone Mountain

He's right. It's not America that's being bogged down in Iraq... it's the Islamic fascists of the world being drawn there as predictably as bugs to a flame.

Motel Al-Roach.

It's working pretty well, too.


19 posted on 10/18/2006 3:05:23 PM PDT by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 1600 knives and counting!)
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To: ecurbh

Ring ping... :-)

Hold your ground! Hold your ground!

Sons of Gondor, of Rohan, my brothers! I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me!

A day may come when the courage of men fails. When we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship. But it is not this day. An hour of wolves, and shattered shields when the age of men comes crashing down!

But it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear... on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!


20 posted on 10/18/2006 3:07:13 PM PDT by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 1600 knives and counting!)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
Lord of the Peeps.

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21 posted on 10/18/2006 3:09:45 PM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
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To: Ramius

Changing my tag line.


22 posted on 10/18/2006 3:11:04 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear... on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: 2Jedismom; 300winmag; Alkhin; Alouette; ambrose; Anitius Severinus Boethius; Anne of DC; artios; ...

Ring Ping!!

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23 posted on 10/18/2006 3:15:47 PM PDT by ecurbh (Fighting the frizzies... at 11)
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To: Ramius; Alouette; blam; sionnsar; ExGeeEye; RosieCotton; HairOfTheDog; ecurbh; Fedora; RMDupree; ...
Hi Ramius - thanks for the ping!

Im pinging everyone I can think of to let them know that my blog has moved! I finally bit the bullet and paid for a Moveable Type account and am in the process of getting basic stuff set up now. None of the stylesheets that are offered in the MT Library are to my liking, but until I can reacquaint myself with CSS and all that jazz, will have to settle for very basic setups indeed.

Trying to notify everyone I can think of : www.wanderingconfluence.com

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24 posted on 10/18/2006 3:19:55 PM PDT by Alkhin (we have made our bed and now must eat it)
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To: Stone Mountain

I was just thinking today, based on his votes, if Santorum were in OH, he'd be leading by 25 points. We have a guy who voted against ANWR, for the "committee of 14," and co-sponsored the Brady Bill, and is having trouble---and yet in PA, you have one of the best conservatives in the Senate, in trouble because he's too conservative.


25 posted on 10/18/2006 3:20:45 PM PDT by LS
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To: mware

It's good stuff. That speech always get me a little misty. It's a shame the actor is such a flake... but that speech is classic, and it fits so well.


26 posted on 10/18/2006 3:20:45 PM PDT by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 1600 knives and counting!)
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To: Ramius

I can't recall what book it was, but I loved the line where SamWise tells Frodo that some things are worth fighting for.


27 posted on 10/18/2006 3:30:23 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear... on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: Irish Rose
But it's okay for the RATS to refer to a fantasy movie—Fahrenheit 911—as gospel along with the fantasy books—Her Story, My Life, and The New Soldier. I got it.
28 posted on 10/18/2006 3:52:31 PM PDT by Dahoser (God bless our troops and at home defenders.)
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To: mware

What do you know about the upcoming movie "Flags of Our Fathers"?


29 posted on 10/18/2006 4:07:58 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter ( I am sitting under my cone of silence, inside a copper wire cage wearing a tin foil hat...)
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To: Stone Mountain

Good analogy.


30 posted on 10/18/2006 4:12:06 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Stone Mountain
The 911 Commission report found that while Saddam had been in contact with al-Qaida, there was no evidence the contacts ever turned into “a collaborative operational relationship” or that Iraq cooperated in the attacks against the U.S.

What a nicely-parsed sentence, and so very Clintonian. After saying that Saddam would never have anything to do with al-Qaida, the evidence came out that, yes he did. So they have to rewrite their statments with more qualifiers. "Saddam never met with al-Qaida on Tuesdays".

Another nod to the Clintons is "there was no evidence". Bill and Hillary could say, "you will find no evidence" because they knew it had been destroyed, or they were still sitting on it.

31 posted on 10/18/2006 4:41:51 PM PDT by 300winmag (Overkill never fails)
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To: Ramius
It's good stuff. That speech always get me a little misty. It's a shame the actor is such a flake... but that speech is classic, and it fits so well.

Aragorn's speech was given with the understanding that they still had a tiny bit of hope left, even if only a few knew what that hope was.

Theoden's speech was given in the face of utter desperation, knowing that they had absolutely no hope of survival, much less victory. They had sworn on their souls to fight, and they would show the enemy a terror that even a terrorist enemy would fear.

The words were powerful enough in the book. Bernard Hill had the genius to add the visuals, and PJ had the wisdom to go with it.

That scene grabs me by the throat every time.

32 posted on 10/18/2006 4:54:42 PM PDT by 300winmag (Overkill never fails)
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To: Owl_Eagle; brityank; Physicist; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; GOPJ; abner; baseballmom; Mo1; Ciexyz; ...

ping


33 posted on 10/18/2006 5:39:55 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: 300winmag

You're absolutely right about that. The Theodoen speech really does grab me too, and yes, on that other level where the understanding is total hopelessness, yet the imperative to charge into chaos knowing that the mission may be lost.

It chokes me up too.

"Ride! Ride to ruin! and a red sun rises! Death!"


34 posted on 10/18/2006 7:44:32 PM PDT by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 1600 knives and counting!)
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To: 300winmag

Ouch. Theoden. misspelled it. Nuts.


35 posted on 10/18/2006 7:45:17 PM PDT by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 1600 knives and counting!)
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To: Stone Mountain

I like that analogy!


36 posted on 10/19/2006 8:57:28 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Satisfied owner of a 2007 Toyota Corolla. (110 miles on a quarter tank of gas is great mileage.))
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

I still remember the thrill of watching LOTR's epic battle on the big screen, when the eagles dived toward the enemy, I turned to the friend who had accompanied me to the cineplex, and we both laughed and said, (It's) the Air Force! (The comparisons to the War on Terror were too strong to miss.)


37 posted on 10/19/2006 9:06:04 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Satisfied owner of a 2007 Toyota Corolla. (110 miles on a quarter tank of gas is great mileage.))
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To: Stone Mountain
Casey has been invited to meet with the editorial board, but hasn't yet agreed to do so.

He's still hiding out; huh? The guy is not campaigning because he knows he's stupid. How can the voters of PA elect this guy when he doesn't even think they are worth him asking for their vote?
38 posted on 10/19/2006 9:12:04 PM PDT by no dems (I'll take a moral Mormon over a demonic Democrat or repugnant RINO anyday.)
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To: Ciexyz
Of course, someone from the lefty p-g has to take a swipe at Santorum because of this:

Rick Santorum: Lord of the wing nuts
39 posted on 10/20/2006 5:21:53 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: My2Cents
I like the line that Merry says to Frodo after they return to the Shire and find it overrun by men. Frodo wants no killing, and Merry says, "You won't save the Shire just by being shocked and sad."

There are great analogies in the LOTR that can be used to describe the War on Terror.

40 posted on 10/20/2006 5:27:59 AM PDT by carton253 (Sadness is just another word for not enough chocolate.)
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To: carton253

the increase in terrorist attacks is timed to effect the outcome of the election. Why do terrorists like Democrats? We know the answer to that one. I hope the public is aware of this. In the meantime, Frodo must destroy the Ring of the Demented Demos before Middle Earth is destroyed.


41 posted on 10/20/2006 6:13:52 AM PDT by juliej
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To: no dems

How? Because apparently they are as stupid as he is. He was handpicked by Chuckey Schmuckey Schumer of New York. I look at Chuckey and feel ill.


42 posted on 10/20/2006 6:14:49 AM PDT by juliej
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To: Ramius

Notice that the press never mentions how many terrorist we have killed and focuses only on our casualties (as sad as they are).


43 posted on 10/20/2006 6:18:00 AM PDT by juliej
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To: My2Cents

I usually go the "bug light" route, but his analogy's better.


44 posted on 10/20/2006 6:32:47 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: carton253
Frodo wants no killing, and Merry says, "You won't save the Shire just by being shocked and sad."

Wow. I'd forgotten that line. Good ol' Tolkien. It's a good thing he wrote that triology when he did, after the free world stood up to Hitler. I doubt anyone in today's Europe could have written anything like LOTR.

45 posted on 10/20/2006 10:25:39 AM PDT by My2Cents (The Democrat Party's '06 platform: Offering a "Suicide Pact With America.")
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

"Bug light" route...I like that. Bug zapper, maybe.


46 posted on 10/20/2006 10:27:01 AM PDT by My2Cents (The Democrat Party's '06 platform: Offering a "Suicide Pact With America.")
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To: Stone Mountain
Probably came off a lot better than when Olberman went on and on with an extended 'Twilight Zone' analogy likening the war on terrorism with 'The Monsters are due on Maple Street.'
47 posted on 10/20/2006 10:27:02 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do succeed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

That's a hoot, the article "Lord of the Ring Nuts" (Post 39). The Dems truly believe that "Saruman, Santorum, it's almost the perfect anagram."


48 posted on 10/20/2006 9:44:21 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Satisfied owner of a 2007 Toyota Corolla. (110 miles on a quarter tank of gas is great mileage.))
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