Posted on 10/19/2006 7:29:17 AM PDT by Esther Ruth
Last update - 09:31 19/10/2006
First Temple artifacts found in dirt removed from Temple Mount
By Nadav Shragai, Haaretz Correspondent
The project of sifting layers of Temple Mount dirt has yielded thousands of new artifacts dating from the First Temple period to today. The dirt was removed in 1999 by the Islamic Religious Trust (Waqf) from the Solomon's Stables area to the Kidron Stream Valley. The sifting itself is taking place at Tzurim Valley National Park, at the foot of Mount Scopus, and being funded by the Ir David Foundation. Dr. Gabriel Barkai and Tzachi Zweig, the archaeologists directing the sifting project with the help of hundreds of volunteers, are publishing photographs and information about the new discoveries in the upcoming issue of Ariel, which comes out in a few days.
The bulk of the artifacts are small finds - the term used for artifacts that can be lifted and transported, rather than fixed features. The dirt was removed in the course of excavating the mammoth entrance to the underground mosque built seven years ago in the southeastern corner of the Temple Mount. The Waqf and Islamic Movement in Israel separated dirt from stones, then used the ancient building blocks for rebuilding, in case the police barred construction materials from being brought in.
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The sifting project is precedent-setting: This is the first time dirt from any antiquities site is being sifted in full. Among the many volunteers are soldiers, tourists, high-school students and yeshiva boys. Visitors over the past few months have included ultra-Orthodox MKs and rabbis, who usually steer clear of archaeological digs.
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The oldest artifacts found are remnants of tools like a blade and scraper dating back 10,000 years. Some potsherds and shards of alabaster tools date from the Bronze Age - the 3rd and 2nd millennia B.C.E. (the Canaanite and Jebusite eras). Only a handful of potsherds were found from the 10th century B.C.E. (the reigns of King David and King Solomon), but numerous artifacts date from the reigns of the later Judean kings (the 8th and 7th centuries B.C.E.), such as stone weights for weighing silver.
The most striking find from this period is a First Temple period bulla, or seal impression, containing ancient Hebrew writing, which may have belonged to a well-known family of priests mentioned in the Book of Jeremiah.
Many other findings date from the Persian period (Return to Zion), Hasmonean, Ptolemaic and Herodian periods, as well as from Second Temple times. Second Temple finds include remains of buildings: plaster shards decorated a rust-red, which Barkai says was fashionable at the time; a stone measuring 10 centimeters and on it a sophisticated carving reminiscent of Herodian decorations; and a broken stone from a decorated part of the Temple Mount - still bearing signs of fire, which Barkai says are from the Temple's destruction in 70 C.E.
The project has also yielded artifacts from the Roman, Byzantine, Ottoman and Early Arab periods. According to Barkai, the Byzantine finds radically alter the assessment that the Temple Mount was empty at that time.
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I'm surprised we're even allowed to know that the Moslems found these things.
Or that they didn't smash them to pieces openly.
Gotta love the muslim complete disrespect for everything -- the ruins beneath temple mount are unique but they have no qualms destroying them.
From what I have read on this previously, the Muslims dug out the dirt and dumped it. There was no attempt on their part to do any archeological work on it. What is being done now iw sifting the dumped pile. That means that a LOT of history has been lost (like which artifact came first -- ie: which is higher in the untouched soil), but what is being done is better than nothing.
King David's royal household was probably not much more than a hundred people or so. His military high command was only a handful of picked men. The number of people who could read and write was probably a tiny portion of Israel when David conquered Jerusalem.
A.D. = Anno Domini
B.C. = Before Christ
B.C.E. = Before Christian Era
C.E. = Christian Era
Right?
That's how my students translate the new secular initials.
CE and BCE... Common Era, and Before Common Era
when the whole Temple Mount platform collapses from the excavations, with a hundred thousand moon worshipping lunatics on top, the world will cry it was Israel's fault for allowing the barbarians to dig their way to their own death.
Figure 15. Pottery from the First Temple. The earliest identified shard we found is dated to the 8th Century BCE.
Wrong!
B.C.E.= Before COMMON Era
C.E = COMMON Era.
Nice try, though.
What historic point does the change occur between the common era and the before common error? Furthermore what was so uncommon about the era before the common era? Did dinosaurs walk the earth and eat all the Sumerians? </sarc>
If your going to use the gregorian calendar, accept the fact that it is based around the birth of Christ and its a Christian calendar. Otherwise the athiest facists who use BCE an CE should make up their own calendar.
This may be a simplistic question, but why was an underground mosque built in the first place?
i dont believe the Jews are athiest facists. In Israel, either works for almost all documents.
Yeah, but I still like the translation of Christian Era and Before Christian Era. No matter what they do, Christ was the great divider of time and nothing will change that.
Then either use the Jewish calendar or respect the gregorian calendar. This is problem is throughout academia and not just Israel.
This is the academic world's attempt to rewrite historical placemarking by pretending Jesus Christ had nothing to do with the complete sea change in world history and historical dating found in the World.
Temple? Jews from thousands of years ago in Jerusalem? What are they trying to do, humiliate the "Palestinians"?
It will be "America's greatest legacy" to pretend nothing was found, nothing existed, the Jews are occupiers.
Sorry, I just find the whole BCE, CE thing to be quite pretentious.
and if I am a greek or russian orthodox and dont use the gregorian calendar would i be an "athiest"?
No, you would be an athiest if you change BC/AD to BCE/CE. The calendar is based around the birth of Christ. You can't rewrite history and using BCE/CE is disrespectful to every Christian in the world.
Historians and archeologists are trying to remove all Christian refrences from dates. C.E. = Common Era and BCE = before Common Era. Using BC abd AD imply CHrisitanity and are not tolerated in today's politically correct academic circles. I'm surprised they haven't gone to that nutty molsem calendar based on moon cycles.
Days and months are named after idolatrous Gods.
Do you acknowledge those Gods when you use dates?
Strange what gets some excited.
Why don't you get excited- if you are such a devout Christian- calling every one else an atheist, that Christianity is built upon a foundation that the Jewish Temple and Jewish worship existed in Jerusalem- something this Administration implicitly denies.
So what event caused there to be a before and after?
Check it out!
Fist of all I am not a devout Christian. Second of all some months are named for Roman / Greek gods, some for former emperors of Rome. The calendar was developed during the Roman era. This has nothing to do with the calendar itself but with the year of the calendar.
In case you can't figure it out, the central point around the Gregorian Calendar is the birth of Christ. The BCE/CE political correctness BS is an attempt by the communist/athiest far left that control academia to rewrite the Gregorian Calendar to remove any instance of Christianity from it. I am not knocking Jews or Judiasm but I am knocking the use of BCE/CE as it is an insult to western history and culture.
As for your question regarding Jewish worship and the Jewish temple that once stood in Jerusalem, what administration denies this & what does this have to do with the BCE/CE BC/AD annotations?
What you can't seem to figure out is that just because a certain calendar is used, it is not insulting not to acknowledge the reason by those who have other beliefs.
Similarly to you realizing that next January you will not be welcoming the new month in the new year by recognizing the Roman God Janus.
What you can't seem to figure out is that by changing that calendar you are insulting everyone else. If BC/AD is so insulting to you and you must change it to BCE/CE then why is it not insulting to you that some of the months are named after Roman gods? Why don't you change the names of the months to suite your beliefs as well?
Like I said before, if the calendar is insulting to you make up your own. Don't rewrite history because it insults your beliefs.
Perverse move, to let Muslims have any usurpation of that area.
Are you so thick?
No one is changing anything.
It is the year 2006. But for those not Christians, it is not the "Year of the Lord 2006". It is 2006. But since one needs to reference a time prior to the beginning of this count, it is divided as before the current era and during. No one or belief is being insulted. No one is stopping anyone from using BC/AD if they wish.
In January, it will be January. It will not be the "Month of the God Jenus".
And for someone who says they are not a devout Christian, that this gets you upset is curious.
based upon your logic, those who were counting years before there was a (-) minus sign in the year were insulting Christians before there were Christians? And then those who continue to count without a (-) minus sign in the year changed their reasoning for doing so after the founding of Christianity in order to insult Christianity or maintain continuity? is that right?
Heads up! (Doesn't look like you were pinged to this thread...)
There is no logic there, it's pretend outrage.
Interesting and important story about significant and historical discovery and it gets polluted.
I'm going to try to cash a check with the date: 27 Tishrei 5767
If they don't honor it, I will have no choice but to convert and write 2006 AD
It is the year 2006 according to the Gregorian calendar. This is the calendar that the Christian world uses to record time.
It is 5767 in the Hebrew calender, 1427 in the Islanic Calendar, 1385 in the Persian Calendar, perhaps you would like to change these as well. Lets see ...
5767 in the year of the most common era
1427 in the more common than the last common era
1385 in the uncommon era just before there was a more common era
There is that better for you. Are you not offended anymore. You say that nobody is stopping anyone from using BC/AD but the attempt of rewriting history by the usage of BCE/CE is trying to do just that. Try using BC/AD in a college paper today and see what happens.
The BC/AD is just another front in the culture wars that is being perpepuated on the western world. That is way I get so riled up about it.
No, it is insulting to attempt to change what the Gregorian Calendar represents. There are many different calendar systems out there and you are not trying to change all of them just the Christian one.
who is that doing the changing?
If you were to cash a check in Israel im sure you would be able to.
Those who are insulted by the fact that the Gregorian calendar is a Christian calendar.
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The mohammedans are dumb enough that they are giving Israel even more evidence that this is Jewish land, not palesimian.
Best place to store the holy weapons of this make-believe religion.
About time the civilized world anounces a plan to excavate the city of mecca to build an underground temple dedicated to the one TRUE God.
B C E
Before Christ Enters
C E
Christian Era
Or at least, that's how I do it.
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