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Massive Voter Manipulation?
vanity | 10/19/2006 | Rob Kitchen

Posted on 10/19/2006 8:12:15 AM PDT by Conservative_Rob

Please forgive this vanity, but I don't know where else to go to ask this question.

Is there a coordinated and deliberate attempt by the media and Democrat plants at blog sites to distort and outright lie about everything concerning this election in order to manipulate voters?

I live in the heart of Santorum country in Pennsylvania, and now I'm being told that, even here, Casey is ahead. I don't buy it. I am feeling lied to and being taken for a fool.

No one I know has even the slightest thought of sitting out, or not voting, or even voting for the opponent in order to "punish" the Republicans. Everyone I know sees the improvement in the economy, knows the need to fight terrorism in the Middle East instead of here, and wants to fight illegal immigration at our borders and in the workplaces. They all know that the positions of the two major political parties are diametrically opposed on all of these issues. They see a clear and distinct difference between the Republicans and Democrats.

So, where are these millions of anti-Republican voters? Am I to believe that Americans are so stupid as to vote for the Communist Party because of Mark Foley’s instant messages to adult sexual partners?? Is the political process in this country so broken that voters can be led around like little sheep and tricked into voting for whomever the media tells them to??

I am convinced that the internet is being targeted by the Democrat party by flooding conservative message boards with fake messages from supposed disenfranchised conservatives to promote discord and a defeatist atmosphere. DON'T BUY INTO IT!!! As Rush says, “Why would anyone use a strategy of defeat in order to win??”

My prayers are for a Republican gain in both houses. If, as has happened in the past, the Democrats do not win like the news media has told us it would, I want an investigation into the manipulative media practices of the pollsters and the major news outlets into their use of inaccurate and outright fraudulent new stories (i.e., fake and skewed polls) to attempt to manipulate the outcome of an election. I equate the political news reporting this election season to an effort to tell Republican voters that their election will be held on Wednesday instead of Tuesday in order to reduce crowding at the polls.

If the media’s use of fake polls and selective reporting is successful in changing Congress, then the future of this Republic is in question, and the day of the revolution will be that much closer. I can’t believe that the so called “hard nose“ conservatives who see no good in the current activities of the Republican party want to send this country several steps closer to a Socialist or Communist people’s paradise in what looks like a 7 year old’s temper tantrum.

I am a “hard nose” conservative who supported Pat Toomey over Arlen Specter, and I see plenty to fault the Republican party with, but I will not simply “take my marbles and go home” because I’m not getting my way. I am angry that there wasn’t a legitimate Republican primary in Pennsylvania this year, but I won’t sit out the election just because the party leadership in this state is somewhat corrupt and needs changing. Rick Santorum is a good senator and deserves to be reelected. He is not perfect, but he is a lot more conservative than Harry Reid, Ted Kennedy, Chuckie Schumer, and Hillary Clinton, and I will not allow my actions or inactions to promote their Socialist, defeatist, agenda one little bit. Why would anyone who believes in limited and responsible government do anything that would result in overbearing and irresponsible government??

If you look at the turnout at the primaries, the Republicans showed up in much greater numbers than the Democrats. They know this, so their only hope to win is to reduce the number of Republican voters on November 7. Show them that you can not be manipulated. Go out and VOTE!!!


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1 posted on 10/19/2006 8:12:16 AM PDT by Conservative_Rob
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To: Conservative_Rob

Of course there is a coordinated and deliberate attempt by the media and Democrat plants at blog sites to distort and outright lie about everything concerning this election in order to manipulate voters. That is the only way they think they can win. They certainly can't win on their ideas and policies.


2 posted on 10/19/2006 8:14:27 AM PDT by 3AngelaD
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To: Conservative_Rob

The MSM is clearly on the Dems' (and, deliberately or not, the terrorists') side, in terms of what they report and how they report it.

Polls sample a higher and higher percentage of Democrats, to skew results.

They are trying to discourage us.

Things are not as bleak for the Republicans as they make it sound, but we face a huge challenge this time around.

If the people who vited Republican in 2004 do it again this year, we should be in decent shape.

So PLEASE do what you can, folks!


3 posted on 10/19/2006 8:15:02 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: Conservative_Rob
Blurb on Drudge:

Tony Snow on election coverage: 'These stories almost look like suppression efforts to bring down Republican morale'...

4 posted on 10/19/2006 8:15:48 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: Conservative_Rob

Rob,

You are a conservative. Therefore, you MUST understand that you are not interested in this election. You are tired of the BS. You are tired of the Foleygate, spending, and lack of border enforcement.

You are NOT going to vote.

Now... your eyelids must be getting heavy...very heavy... in fact, you feel very warm and relaxed... very heavy... repeat after me... . your arms are heavy...you cannot lift them... I am a conservative and I will not vote... I am a conservative and I will not vote..I am a conservative and I will not vote... I am a conservative and I will not vote..

Now, I am going to snap my fingers and when I do, you will change the channel to a comedy, relax, forget that you read this, and most importantly, you will throw your absentee ballot in the trash and get a soft drink.

SNAP!


5 posted on 10/19/2006 8:17:12 AM PDT by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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To: Conservative_Rob

Of course. The media tried the same trick in 2004. Lied about exit polls on election day.

They began all of the election return broadcasts with "like his father, Bush's downfall was the economy". 10 minutes into the broadcast it was clear he was NOT out.


6 posted on 10/19/2006 8:17:23 AM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: Conservative_Rob
Be thankful for talk radio, Rush Limbaugh in particular, and more than anything, for the Internet. There are still lots of sheeple out there, but there are also a lot of people who feel just as you do.

Let the Lamestream media lie, distort, and bias their reporting all they want - it will make November 8th (when the Republicans STILL control both houses) all the more sweet. Look for Perky Katie and the rest of the leftist shills in the media to be sporting their black mourning garb that day...

7 posted on 10/19/2006 8:17:46 AM PDT by Sicon
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To: Quilla
If someone is trying to manipulate massive voters....well, they better be strong and use large vehicles. Fat People of America™ will not take this laying down!
8 posted on 10/19/2006 8:18:13 AM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: Conservative_Rob
Is there a coordinated and deliberate attempt by the media and Democrat plants at blog sites to distort and outright lie about everything concerning this election in order to manipulate voters?

Why would this election be any different than past elections?

9 posted on 10/19/2006 8:18:44 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Quilla

At what point is their FCC license in jeopardy for their distortion and campaigning? Manufactured news (whether it is forged National Guard memos or phoney poll samplings) should be examined.

I'm certainly more affected by this than I am steroids in baseball.


10 posted on 10/19/2006 8:19:07 AM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: Conservative_Rob
I have to admit, I was lukewarm on this election until the media manipulation began.

Now I'm royally TICKED OFF!
11 posted on 10/19/2006 8:19:45 AM PDT by Antoninus (Ruin a Democrat's day...help re-elect Rick Santorum.)
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To: Conservative_Rob

VOTE


12 posted on 10/19/2006 8:21:44 AM PDT by steveyp
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To: Conservative_Rob

I a word, yes. And its more coordinated, open, manipulative and downright evil than I've ever seen it before. I think people see through it more, too.


13 posted on 10/19/2006 8:21:47 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: Conservative_Rob

"So, where are these millions of anti-Republican voters?"

------ have you checked your local cemetery. They rise from the dead on Halloween and then return to the grave after the November elections, until needed again next year.


14 posted on 10/19/2006 8:21:55 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Conservative_Rob

yes


15 posted on 10/19/2006 8:22:18 AM PDT by DontBelieveAugPolls
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To: Conservative_Rob

The myth that we are staying home is a combination of wishful thinking and a campaign tactic to promote to backwoods Christian fools that they should stay home.


16 posted on 10/19/2006 8:22:48 AM PDT by tioga
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To: Conservative_Rob
Is there a coordinated and deliberate attempt by the media and Democrat plants at blog sites to distort and outright lie about everything concerning this election in order to manipulate voters?

I have been feeling the same way.

YES, there is a coordinated effort among that unholy alliance. The facts are indisputable! Consumer confidence is high, the economy is roaring, the Dow is passing 12,000 and yet the polls show President Bush's popularity continues to fall. Why?

Because the activist MSM has been working with Democrats (think: ABC/Foley, or Oprah/Obama) to provide an UNRELENTING stream of negative information. No matter how good the news is, the MSM is actively writing stories and headlines from a decidedly negative vantage point. It is not even in dispute. There are a myriad of daily examples to provide empirical evidence.

The MSM may not be in direct collusion with the Democrats, but they are working very very closely in their shadow and know exactly what they are doing.

17 posted on 10/19/2006 8:22:53 AM PDT by Obadiah
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To: Conservative_Rob
Lying implies that the Democrats recognize truth but speak against it. They don't recognize truth, because nothing is 'true' for them. So, therefor, Democrats can not lie, since there is no truth. Bravery is not true, beauty is not true, facts are not true. However, you keeping what you built is not true. Two men getting married is true. Islam is true, the Bible is false. Welfare is true, private property is not true.

So, if you are trying to figure out the Democrats and are confused, you actually are in the right state of mind.
18 posted on 10/19/2006 8:23:32 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: Conservative_Rob

Ever since RATher got caught... and no DA ever followed up with an investigation... the DBM felt it had no reason to tell even the slightest bit of truth anymore.


19 posted on 10/19/2006 8:23:53 AM PDT by johnny7 (“And what's Fonzie like? Come on Yolanda... what's Fonzie like?!”)
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To: Conservative_Rob
their only hope to win is to reduce the number of Republican voters on November 7.

*************

They can't do it without our cooperation.

Stick it to the Democrats and VOTE.

20 posted on 10/19/2006 8:23:56 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Conservative_Rob

Of course, they are GOOD, VERY GOOD.

Their "War Room" made up of the entire MSM,Hollywood,Academia and the Judiciary, are pitch perfect in planning and execution.

Of course with 40 years of practice, and an idiot public, it has been easy.


21 posted on 10/19/2006 8:24:29 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: Conservative_Rob

You will not bother to vote.
Democrats will win.
You will not bother to vote.
It is futile.
You will not bother to vote.
Forget you have seen this message
... now back to Katie.

22 posted on 10/19/2006 8:24:37 AM PDT by Darth Republican
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To: Antoninus

The Foley B.S. further motivated many of us, it was just too obvious...timing, over-hype, yet another "bigger than Watergate" scandal, etc.
Does anyone know if our best Senator here in AZ, Kyl, really is "in jeopardy" as recent reports and polls say? I find that every hard to believe, but they sure have poured a lot of $$ into this state to take him out.


23 posted on 10/19/2006 8:24:58 AM PDT by BonnieJ
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To: Conservative_Rob
One of the early chapters in the Marxist Playbook is to co-opt a docile media into reporting the predicted demise of their opponents. This serves to (1) demoralize the opposition (as good propaganda should) (2) gin up fervor in their true believers (more good propaganda) and (3) (and not to be overlooked) give the socialists plausible grounds for claims that the election was rigged.

Just look at what Gore tried in 2000, and Kerry in 2004 (not to mention the ongoing travails of that Mexican clown.) To a democrat, if the polls predict victory and the election results show that you lost, clearly the results, not the polls, are in error. In other words, if my favorite NFL team is a ten-point favorite and they lose, the game was, by definition, fixed.

24 posted on 10/19/2006 8:25:12 AM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree (Abortion is to family planning what bankruptcy is to financial planning.)
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To: Conservative_Rob

Actually, one of the main purposes of the propaganda is to provide cover for the vote fraud that the Democrats expect to get away with. If everyone expects the Democrats to win, there will be no reason to be suspicious of the results.


25 posted on 10/19/2006 8:25:12 AM PDT by Ragnar54
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To: Conservative_Rob

The great thing Rob, is that even though it has been widely known for decades by those on sites like FR that the MSM spins each election cycle to favor the dems, now they have been so sloppy that the average voter is starting to recognize it.


26 posted on 10/19/2006 8:26:10 AM PDT by HelloooClareece ("We make war that we may live in peace". Aristotle)
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To: Sicon

"Be thankful for talk radio, Rush Limbaugh in particular, and more than anything, for the Internet. There are still lots of sheeple out there, but there are also a lot of people who feel just as you do."

I haven't listened to Hannity, but, I've heard he's pounding on this on his radio show, too. Mark Levin has been really pounding this for the last week or so. We just started getting his show about a month ago out here.
570 KVI. He's on from 6-8 Pacific time and the station has live streaming in case anyone wants to listen and his show isn't available in your area


27 posted on 10/19/2006 8:27:10 AM PDT by Seattle Conservative (God Bless and protect our troops and their CIC)
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To: Conservative_Rob

There is a strategy to the trickling factor in all these news reports. Expect further "outings" of gay Republican staffers and politicians as well.

The point is to keep these "anti-values" stories coming continuously until election day in the hopes that the base of the Republican party will stay home or vote third party. We have not seen the last. Sadly, many FReepers are buying into it and playing right into the dems ploys.


28 posted on 10/19/2006 8:27:40 AM PDT by Hoodlum91 (I've been rocked.)
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To: Conservative_Rob
Is there a coordinated and deliberate attempt by the media and Democrat plants at blog sites to distort and outright lie about everything concerning this election in order to manipulate voters?

Well, yes.

29 posted on 10/19/2006 8:29:25 AM PDT by D.P.Roberts
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To: Conservative_Rob

"outright lie and distort.....in order to manipulate the election..."

that they do. they know how to lie very well. it is their business to lie.
they love power. they do not attempt to convert opponents. they destroy them. if they have absolute power, people disappear. if they exist in a free county, they do what they can to manipulate opinion and destroy reputations and lives. they're smug, self-satisfied and irresponsible. they are attempting to gain the biggest lie of all.....that they are the saviours of mankind.

if they succeed,it's time to head for the hills. literally.


30 posted on 10/19/2006 8:30:47 AM PDT by ripley
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To: Conservative_Rob
Is there a coordinated and deliberate attempt by the media and Democrat plants at blog sites to distort and outright lie about everything concerning this election in order to manipulate voters?

Yes.

It's interesting when I speak to not particularly activist conservatives in my area. There are many folks in my area who usually vote R, but occasionally vote for a couple of local Ds. What I am hearing is that this year the Democrats are fighting so dirty with this whole Foley thing and with the anti-Iraq attitude, they've decided to vote a straight R ticket. It's always said in a somewhat conspiratorial whisper.

Anecdotal evidence to be sure, but to some degree illustrates utter disgust with the behavior of the democrats.

In the for what it's worth category.

31 posted on 10/19/2006 8:31:13 AM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: Conservative_Rob

Question for you Rob; have you ever voted for someone based on what a poll said?


32 posted on 10/19/2006 8:31:22 AM PDT by Protagoras (Billy only tried to kill Bin Laden, he actually succeeded with Ron Brown and Vince Foster.)
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To: Conservative_Rob

Best way to curb your anger:

Find your republican area leader and volunteer to work a poll.

For fun and frivolity, work a poll outside your own.

If you are not afraid of close encounters of the physical kind, pick a poll in the heart of Ratzland, you know, one of those polls where only union thugs and NAACP types hang out. Be for Rick, be loud, hand out literature, and if someone hits you, roll on the ground till the EMS comes.

Press charges!!

Election day is sooo much fun!!


33 posted on 10/19/2006 8:31:33 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

Excellent point in (3) that I hadn't considered.


34 posted on 10/19/2006 8:31:37 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: Conservative_Rob

This has been going on for quite a while now....they skew the news, and when the election results are in and actually reflect what was going on in people's heads when their attempt to influence doesn't pan out, they scream voter fraud.


35 posted on 10/19/2006 8:32:56 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Protagoras

No, and I hope that I'm not an anomaly.


36 posted on 10/19/2006 8:33:15 AM PDT by Conservative_Rob
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To: Conservative_Rob

I have to agree with you Rob , I live in the area between Hershey and Harrisburg and I find it hard to believe that they will vote for Casey.


37 posted on 10/19/2006 8:34:05 AM PDT by linn37
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To: Conservative_Rob

I'm voting this fall. Even if I have to beat my way through a line of liberals. In fact, that actually sounds like fun... ;-)


38 posted on 10/19/2006 8:34:38 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Well, my days of not taking your seriously are certainly coming to a middle)
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To: Conservative_Rob
 

From:

http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/

October 18, 2006, 9:36 AM entry

A caller yesterday asked "So what? Won't polls showing GOP candidates behind energize Republican voters to turn out?"

Hardly. I asked him whether season ticket holders to the Raiders or Broncos were more likely to be showing up to games in December. That clarified the issue quickly. Voters, like fans, don't show up in the same numbers for lost causes, which is why lousy models do in fact produce polls that depress turnout.

Now here's my question: When, in the last two cycles of 2002 and 2004, has any national poll of standing shown a Republican to be ahead at this point in the race where that Republican in fact lost? (You can't cite Zogby for this proposition, as the poll must generally be recognized as having at least a shred of credibility.) While poll after poll over these years have shown Democrats ahead who in fact lost, can you recall a race where polling put a GOP candidate ahead who in fact got smacked badly on election day?

Oct. 18, 6:01PM entry

UPDATE: An e-mail on the polls:

Thank you so much for bringing attention on the all the faulty polling being done. You are not crazy, you are absolutely, 100% spot-on on this. I have worked my entire adult life, 25 years, processing market research and public opinion surveys. I know enough about surveys to be able to construct one that shows people prefer Pepsi over Coke, 60%-40%, or vice versa, and you would have no idea how I got either result even if I gave you the internals and methodology. You don’t have to take it on faith that there is a media conspiracy to misrepresent polling, they admit it in their own poll results. I have yet to see a general population poll that did not show adults 2%-4% more liberal than registered voters and registered voters 2%-4% more liberal than likely voters, and yet the media has no qualms about citing adults or registered voters when they want to give the Dems an added boost. Likewise, most 7 day tracking studies show a liberal 2%-4% bias when collecting over the weekend, yet the weekend seems to be the favorite time to poll. But the most important flaw is the one you have been talking about, the fact that every poll seems to over sample Democrats by 5%-10% consistently.

The proof of their inaccuracy is, as you state, in the exit polls. They are taken of a sample of actual voters, and can be verified against the actual voting results. The party affiliation was even in 2004, and +2% for the Republicans in 2002, and this seems pretty correct considering the election results (though given the vote counts it may still undercount Republicans by 1% or 2%).

The common error is to assume that their rigorous random sampling methodology truly gives them a representative sample of voters. By reviewing the accuracy of their predictions, it is obvious that, for a variety of reasons, the likely voters they talk to in October contain more Democrats than actually cast a vote in November. My theory on this is that Republicans are serious adult citizens, Democrats and Independents are not. Republicans by and large take their citizenship seriously, inform themselves and vote accordingly. The rest of the population doesn’t even register to vote, or only vote when they are sufficiently ginned up, or when they are herded on buses to the polls. They base their opinions on chanted slogans or newspaper headlines, and take their responsibility to vote about as serious as all their other responsibilities as citizens.

Come November 7, I am confident (as is Karl Rove) that more serious adults will show up at the polls than Democrats. All our election experience tells us that 2006 will be a status quo election, a small number of seats gained in the House by the Democrats, and a small number of seats gained in the Senate by the Republicans. The ONLY evidence offered of this “Blue Wave” that will supposedly change the course of history are these aforementioned polls, which we KNOW are faulty and biased.

39 posted on 10/19/2006 8:35:48 AM PDT by Semi Civil Servant (Colorado: the original Red State.)
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To: Conservative_Rob
There are actually 2 plans:

Plan A - Try to suppress the conservative vote by printing non-stop anti-Republican stories and bogus poll numbers.

Plan B - If Plan A doesn't work sceam that all the polls just couldn't have been wrong so the Republicans just had to have cheated. This is also known as the Diebold Plan.

40 posted on 10/19/2006 8:36:42 AM PDT by Jaxter ("Vivit Post Funera Virtus")
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To: Conservative_Rob
No, and I hope that I'm not an anomaly.

I don't think so either Rob, so don't sweat all this stuff, it's a distraction.

41 posted on 10/19/2006 8:37:17 AM PDT by Protagoras (Billy only tried to kill Bin Laden, he actually succeeded with Ron Brown and Vince Foster.)
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To: Conservative_Rob

Rob: I believe Santorum is going to pull it out. Here's three things you can do to help:

1. Remind Conservatives that the Senate confirms SCOTUS Justices.

2. Go to this website to volunteer to help: www.ricksantorum.com/youcall

3. Pray for freezing rain in Philly and Pittsburgh on November 7.


42 posted on 10/19/2006 8:38:03 AM PDT by no dems (I'll take a moral Mormon over a demonic Democrat or repugnant RINO anyday.)
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To: linn37

IMHO, I think even Eddie is pi$$ed at ol bobby. Bobbies last tv ad claims that PA LOST 180K jobs in the last five years.

Well just smack Eddie in the face why don't you.

If Eddie gets Pi$$ed enough, the Philly union thugs will either sit it out or get amnesia on what lever they are suppose to pull for Bobbie.

I'm thinking Eddies numbers and Bobbies numbers will not jive.


43 posted on 10/19/2006 8:38:03 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: Conservative_Rob
Is there a coordinated and deliberate attempt by the media and Democrat plants at blog sites to distort and outright lie about everything concerning this election in order to manipulate voters?

Certainly!

They are Nationalizing the mid term local elections, just as we did to them after the House Banking scandal, and we creamed them very nicely and took over the reigns of power as a result.

This is what we call affectionately.......Politics!

They way we defeat such things, is to go to the polls and vote straight republican tickets. It works everytime it is tried.

So get your purple finger as soon as the polls open and bring some friends and family, and we will take the wind out of their sails.

44 posted on 10/19/2006 8:39:41 AM PDT by Cold Heat (I just analyze it, I did not create the mess...so go pound sand:-))
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To: linn37
That's my area too, and, this week, Bob Durgan had that pointy headed political expert from Millersville College on to defend the poll that had Casey ahead in this area.

Check out his biography at: Terry Madonna

45 posted on 10/19/2006 8:40:00 AM PDT by Conservative_Rob
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To: Conservative_Rob

You're not hallucinating. Coverage of the election this year makes 2004 look positively balanced.


46 posted on 10/19/2006 8:40:25 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: Jaxter
Now here's my question: When, in the last two cycles of 2002 and 2004, has any national poll of standing shown a Republican to be ahead at this point in the race where that Republican in fact lost? (You can't cite Zogby for this proposition, as the poll must generally be recognized as having at least a shred of credibility.) While poll after poll over these years have shown Democrats ahead who in fact lost, can you recall a race where polling put a GOP candidate ahead who in fact got smacked badly on election day?

That is a terrific angle. Wow.

47 posted on 10/19/2006 8:41:07 AM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: Conservative_Rob
I know exactly what you mean. I'm just hoping it will backfire and cause more conservatives to vote. Even a RINO is better than a Democrat.

Carolyn

48 posted on 10/19/2006 8:42:40 AM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: Conservative_Rob

I need some yard signs and I don't like going downtown to get one. LOL you think they would deliver me one?


49 posted on 10/19/2006 8:43:10 AM PDT by linn37
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To: Darth Republican

"These are not the Conservatives you are looking for."

50 posted on 10/19/2006 8:43:47 AM PDT by dfwgator
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