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1 posted on 10/19/2006 7:11:54 PM PDT by kellynla
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2 posted on 10/19/2006 7:13:04 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
The first paragraph was a good foreshadowing of the rest of this idiotic article:

It appears that political correctness has infected many of our military brass, indeed even instructors in our military academies. It is one thing when politicians and cultural elites force it into our lives; it's quite dangerous, however, when those selected to protect us elevate political correctness over the necessity of vanquishing enemies intent on destroying us.

The author has an uncanny ability to completely miss the point. This is a counterinsurgency manual, not an all-encompassing manual on warfighting doctrine. The military's job is to execute within the limitations placed upon it by the civilian leadership. In the case of counterinsurgency, the manual states doctrine that is developing based upon lessons learned from fighting against insurgencies within those likely limitations. If the author has a problem with that then his beef should be with the civilian leadership, not the military. Just because the military lays out doctrine for how to fight certain kinds of wars in a certain way, that does not mean that the military prefers all wars to be executed in that manner or believes in the prudence of the limitations placed upon it by the civilian leadership.

4 posted on 10/19/2006 7:21:28 PM PDT by Axhandle
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To: kellynla

The "Greatest Generation" would agree I am sure. WW2 was not faught with Kit gloves and we won. If we don't stop micromanaging this war we will surely lose in the long run.


7 posted on 10/19/2006 7:43:52 PM PDT by 444Flyer (New Rules of Engagement: To Engage)
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To: kellynla

I second that!!


9 posted on 10/19/2006 7:48:16 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: kellynla
I'll tell you what the real problem is..all the stinking leftist "social workers" from Europe, the UK and the US (basically the UN) are too chicken to go there so our guys have to wear those hats as well.

The "progressives" and their ilk are good at hiding behind faux news reports and pointing fingers but no one wants to help bake the pie.

The problem all along is that our arrogant left think the Iraqis are not worth the effort.

14 posted on 10/19/2006 8:11:45 PM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: kellynla

As an Italian WW2 vet over my way sez, (and demonstrates with lovetaps), "Balls, nose, t'roat! And then he down."


18 posted on 10/19/2006 8:59:54 PM PDT by flowerplough
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To: kellynla

Good article, right on the money!


20 posted on 10/19/2006 10:03:50 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: kellynla

bttt


23 posted on 10/19/2006 10:11:11 PM PDT by kalee
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To: kellynla
Amen to that !

Seems the nature of war has changed. Seems like it started with Korea and the Iran hostage crisis seems like it was a major turning point.

It sure seems like a conventional war can no longer be won. It can only be used to gain turf.

Maybe it would be better to mothball all the carriers and tanks and just contract out with big bucks to insane "show no quarter" mercenary assasins who no one controls and no one knows where they came from or where to retaliate in the aftermath......(kind of like how Iran does it.)

25 posted on 10/19/2006 10:28:28 PM PDT by KTM rider ( "It's time for conservites to take back the republican party" Goldwater64)
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To: kellynla
"understanding" the enemy's culture, and the need to persuade the enemy of our goodness and noble intentions.

It's not the enemy's culture we need to understand, but rather that of our major allies in the war on the terrorists. All we need to know about the terrorists is how to kill them. That's also what our allies need to know about them. Why to kill them, we both already know, all too well.

26 posted on 10/19/2006 10:53:27 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: kellynla
Thank you for the great post and follow-up comments. As a father of a Marine and someone who has been saying this same thing for about a year now I am getting more worried every day.
We have given our enemy a pass on where they can operate out of as we did in Vietnam and our enemies now know that we are fighting with our hands tied. Over the past few weeks we have seen the casualty counts mount as we get closer to the election as they try and make us quit the fight.
President Bush and the rest of the people I voted for have let us all down, they failed to fight to win. Maybe they were afraid the American public wouldn't support the carnage the reality of a real war would look like on the news every night, if so they should not have sacrificed our troops.
30 posted on 10/20/2006 5:07:12 AM PDT by Recon Dad (Marine Spec Ops Dad)
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