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Major Change Expected In Strategy for Iraq War
The Washington Post ^ | Friday, October 20, 2006 | Michael Abramowitz and Thomas E. Ricks

Posted on 10/20/2006 12:04:12 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican

The growing doubts among GOP lawmakers about the administration's Iraq strategy, coupled with the prospect of Democratic wins in next month's midterm elections, will soon force the Bush administration to abandon its open-ended commitment to the war, according to lawmakers in both parties, foreign policy experts and others involved in policymaking.

Senior figures in both parties are coming to the conclusion that the Bush administration will be unable to achieve its goal of a stable, democratic Iraq within a politically feasible time frame. Agitation is growing in Congress for alternatives to the administration's strategy of keeping Iraq in one piece and getting its security forces up and running while 140,000 U.S. troops try to keep a lid on rapidly spreading sectarian violence.

On the campaign trail, Democratic candidates are hammering Republican candidates for backing a failed Iraq policy, and GOP defense of the war is growing muted. A new NBC-Wall Street Journal poll released this week showed that voters are more confident in Democrats' ability to handle the Iraq war than the Republicans' -- a reversal from the last election.

Few officials in either party are talking about an immediate pullout of U.S. combat troops. But interest appears to be growing in several broad ideas. One would be some kind of effort to divide the country along regional lines. Another, favored by many Democrats, is a gradual withdrawal of troops over a set period of time. A third would be a dramatic scaling-back of U.S. ambitions in Iraq, giving up on democracy and focusing only on stability.

Many senior Republicans with close ties to the administration also believe that essential to a successful strategy in Iraq are an aggressive new diplomatic initiative to secure a Middle East peace settlement and a new effort to engage Iraq's neighbors....

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


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1 posted on 10/20/2006 12:04:12 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; Coleus; cyborg; DKNY; ...
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2 posted on 10/20/2006 12:05:18 AM PDT by nutmeg (National security trumps everything else.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Nope. Bush holds the line. We will be there another 2 years or so.


3 posted on 10/20/2006 12:06:23 AM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant
Nope. Bush holds the line. We will be there another 2 years or so.

I'm not concerned about the next two years. I'm more worried about what happens after the election of 2008.

4 posted on 10/20/2006 12:07:22 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican (Everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL)
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To: MinorityRepublican

It will be largely pacified by then, just as the majority of the country already is.


5 posted on 10/20/2006 12:11:15 AM PDT by pissant
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To: MinorityRepublican

At some point soon after Hillary takes office we will become engaged in a major war with either NK or Iran, primarily because either, or both, countries will think, and rightly so, that Democrats are wimps. However, they will have misjudged Hillary, for aside from being a Dem, she's ruthless and would go to war just to prove to the American people that she's tough of terror if it ensured that she would win reelection.


6 posted on 10/20/2006 12:12:42 AM PDT by flying Elvis
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To: MinorityRepublican
[...according to lawmakers in both parties, foreign policy experts and others involved in policymaking.]



Do these "experts" have names or are we just supposed to take the journalist's word for it that people smarter than all of us are telling us how the world works?
7 posted on 10/20/2006 12:19:03 AM PDT by spinestein (Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, William Jefferson, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Barney Frank, RESIGN!!!)
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To: flying Elvis
[However, they will have misjudged Hillary, for aside from being a Dem, she's ruthless and would go to war just to prove to the American people that she's tough of terror if it ensured that she would win reelection.]


Not true. Ms. Clinton is a firm believer in the United Nations as the salvation of humanity and she will refer any potential conflict the United States may have with another country to the endless parade of committee meetings that is the UN.

In the unlikely event that she should try to use the military, she will not be able to help herself from micromanaging everything they do and will insist on telling the generals how to perform every last detail of their jobs. This is not a recipe for military success.
8 posted on 10/20/2006 12:27:24 AM PDT by spinestein (Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, William Jefferson, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Barney Frank, RESIGN!!!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

"within a politically feasible time frame."


WTF?????

Last time I checked, you fight a war until you win. Not checking your watch.


9 posted on 10/20/2006 12:30:46 AM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: MinorityRepublican
More "Anonymous" sources like the ones that told the Junk Media their would be "27 indictments on Fritzmus". More nonsense from the Democrat noise machine.
10 posted on 10/20/2006 12:31:19 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (EeevilCon, Snowflake, Conservative Fundamentalist Gun Owning Bush Bot Dittohead reporting for duty!)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Let us speak truth to whiners by exhamining the Wash Post's favorite employee's latest political propaganda blast. http://icasualties.org/oif/

http://icasualties.org/oif/IraqiDeaths.aspx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Security_Forces

Listening to all the Media hysteria over Bob Woodward's latest attempt to be the new Kitty Kelly, one is struck by just how wrong the Drive By Media is on every aspect of the Iraq War.

Here is the raw data on Iraq. Seems Bob Woodward latest work is simply a regurgitation of every falsehood, half truth and exaggeration present by the Junk Media on Iraq since 2003.

In a vain attempt to falsely validate preconceived notions, Mr Woodward demonstrated how the Left has managed to be wrong on every aspect of the Iraq War. Mr Woodward's central thesis is that attacks are "as high as they have ever been". Perhaps that is true. Even if true those attacks are getting less and less effective. If conditions are worsening why were the Iraqis taking higher monthly casualties in 2004 and 2005 with a smaller force?

Simply put BW, like the rest of the American Political Left is full of it. They have had their minds made up about Iraq from even before the war started. In his latest work it is clear Mr Woodward simply went to find people who would say what he wanted to hear. It is also becoming apparent that when he did not hear what he wanted, Mr Woodward simply misquoting the source to put his Democrat Party Masters spin on the data. Apparently this current book is his act of atonement to the DC Establishment for writing a fairly balanced book on President Bush last time.

If you chart the data at the sources above, you see a base line of violence. While the violence ebbs and flows the base line is steady at 65 Coalition casualties a month. The Iraqis are averaging a steady 200 casualties a month. No sustained rise in baseline casualties to validate the "Iraq is heading for Civil War" Democrat Media Machine spin.

What is particularly significant about the Iraqi Security Forces casualties is they are averaging the same casualty levels with a much larger force. As of Aug 2006 there is a 300,000 Iraqi security force in the field with about 5,000 being added a month. By the end of the year the Iraqi Security Forces will be complete fielded. Right now out of 18 provinces in Iraq only 2 are considered "not ready" for transition to Iraqi control. Of course the two provinces are Anbar, the province along the Syrian border and Basrah the Shi'a stronghold along the border with Iran. Yet even in both those areas significant progress has been made just in September 2006 alone.

In Anbar the Iraqi tribes have entered into an agreement to work with the Iraqi Government to root out the foreign terrorist groups. In Basrah, the British and Iraqi forces just started operations to crack down on the Shi'a militias.

Iraq: British, Iraq troops begin Basra mission

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1709154/posts

Most Tribes in Anbar Agree to Unite Against Insurgents (The NY Times is deeply saddened)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1703582/posts

This data totally undercuts the spin presented by Bob Woodward, and other Democrat Party propagandists, that Iraq is "heading for Civil War" or is "spinning out of control".

What Woodward et all seem to fixate on is Iraqi Civilian casualties. What they forget is a terrorist or a militia member killed in intra tribal gang warfare is considered "an Iraqi civilian casualty". So when you hear a news story that says "40 bodies discovered around Baghdad" MOST of them are probably casualties from gang on gang violence. While that violence is an on growing crises we and the Iraqis will have to deal with, it is not a fundamental threat to the long term survival of the Iraqi Government.

Obviously the immediate counter the Leftist propagandists will claim is that ;We are not making fast enough progress" That is nonsense.

look at the data on Iraqi security forces. More and more of the job is being taken up by Iraqi forces. 2 of 18 Providence have been turned over to complete Iraqi control. Out of 18 Iraqi provinces all but 2 are at least partially under Iraqi control All the progress in the war is on our side. The enemy is making no progress. Time is on our side, not theirs.

Another factor on Iraq the Leftists fails to grasp is how the war in Iraq has fundamentally changed in the last 6 months. Because the external Terrorist threat has been significantly reduced, we are able to focus on other lesser threats. Witness what the British down south, and the US in the Baghdad region, are doing. They are working with the Iraqis to weed out the gangs and militia that sprung up in the wake of Saddam's fall.

Counter Insurgency is slow, painful work. But the progress is all on our side. The "Insurgents" has demonstrated no ability to politically or militarily evolve. Guerrilla war strategy consists of 3 phases.

1. Stage one: very small unit harassment actions.

2. Stage two: continuation of state one with an evolution to large units actions. Development of larger and large geographic areas fully under Guerrilla control.

3. Stage three: conventional warfare between large units.

The Terrorists are still stuck in stage one of Guerrilla Warfare. They can wreck stuff and kill people they cannot grow. They cannot take and hold ground or engage in anything beyond small scale hit and run attacks.

Their failure to develop a shadow political structure to act as a polar opposite to the Iraqi Government is their fatal flaw. They simply lack the structure or local support network needed to move beyond state one

The claims and assumptions stated as "fact" by Mr Woodward on Iraq are fraudulent. Considering he has got just about everything on Iraq completely wrong in his recent public statements, one has to wonder just what else he make up for this book?

11 posted on 10/20/2006 12:34:20 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (EeevilCon, Snowflake, Conservative Fundamentalist Gun Owning Bush Bot Dittohead reporting for duty!)
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To: spinestein

But, given that she is a fellow traveler with the UN, they'll kowtow to her and give her carte blanc. It'll be just like her husband's misadventures in the Balkans where no lefties protested because it wasn't the cool thing to do when a Lib is president.


12 posted on 10/20/2006 12:34:22 AM PDT by flying Elvis
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To: spinestein; flying Elvis

Last night on Hannity & Colmes, Dick Morris cited the FOUR different positions Hillery has had on Iraq. I suspect as the polls change she'll change with them.

By all means please let's not confuse the issue by assuming she has ANY real conviction other than what will play for her personally in '06 and '08.


13 posted on 10/20/2006 12:47:01 AM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: MinorityRepublican; All
This is from one of Pookie18's FR "Daily Toons" threads"

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14 posted on 10/20/2006 12:50:55 AM PDT by musicman
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To: MinorityRepublican
Washington Post = Woodward = Bush's state of denial = Nixon = Woodward making more money on Bush's state of denial than on Nixon's state of denial = writing more state of denial = Democrat parties for Woodward and more up coming states of denial = Democrats feeding him more coke = Woodward's life without coke is now one long state of denial.
15 posted on 10/20/2006 1:02:29 AM PDT by Blind Eye Jones
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To: MinorityRepublican

After relentless media campaign to put the Bush administration on defensive on Iraq, the media now is drawing up their plans on it.

BOHICA.


16 posted on 10/20/2006 2:27:57 AM PDT by WOSG (Broken-glass time, Republicans! Save the Congress!)
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To: MNJohnnie; liberallarry

Thanks for the detailed look MNJohnnie. One has to search for operational trends because journalism is practically incapable of carrying a complex story over months. Liberal larry was asking about the mess we are in so I invited him to review your analysis too.


17 posted on 10/20/2006 2:35:20 AM PDT by sgtyork (Prove to us that you can enforce the borders first.)
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To: WOSG
Nothing new is being offered. Now I see why they call it cut and run. The will to win is the first defeat in war.
I would suggest that the Generals on the ground in Iraq be given the resource required to win. Given the support to win. And be given no time frame to win it. Let this be communicated to the enemy with the full wait of all the media. Sounds like WWII!
18 posted on 10/20/2006 2:37:16 AM PDT by conservative-black (Just the beginning)
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To: conservative-black

"I would suggest that the Generals on the ground in Iraq be given the resource required to win. Given the support to win. And be given no time frame to win it. Let this be communicated to the enemy with the full wait of all the media. Sounds like WWII!"

I agree with you 100%. We can and will win in Iraq.
Job #1 though is to defeat the Democrats in November.
If they come up short, it will give President Bush the latitude to do the right thing.


19 posted on 10/20/2006 2:40:14 AM PDT by WOSG (Broken-glass time, Republicans! Save the Congress!)
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To: spinestein

"However, they will have misjudged Hillary, for aside from being a Dem, she's ruthless and would go to war just to prove to the American people that she's tough of terror if it ensured that she would win reelection.]


Not true. Ms. Clinton is a firm believer in the United Nations as the salvation of humanity and she will refer any potential conflict the United States may have with another country to the endless parade of committee meetings that is the UN."




you are correct. Hillary as President would almost as bad as Carter as President.

Also, if the Democrats get their way and screw up Iraq, it will cast a shadow over foreign policy for a generation just like vietnam did. Ah, another Carter analogy.


20 posted on 10/20/2006 2:46:39 AM PDT by WOSG (Broken-glass time, Republicans! Save the Congress!)
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