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Baptist 'exit strategy': Groundswell of support for exodus building
WorldNetDaily ^ | 10/20/2006 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 10/20/2006 1:24:53 PM PDT by achilles2000

If you like sexually transmitted diseases, shootings and high teen pregnancy rates, by all means, send your children to public schools. That's the word from a leader in the fast-growing movement within the 16 million-member Southern Baptist Convention for parents to pull their children from those schools in favor of homeschooling.

Pastor Wiley Drake

The program is called Exit Strategy and Pastor Wiley Drake, whose home state of California has done some things especially offensive to Christians this year, is a leading promoter.

In an interview with WND, he said that those problems and others are prevalent in public schools, and some Christian leaders even have said it could be considered child abuse just to register children in such a facility....

(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...


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KEYWORDS: baptist; educaton; exodus; homeschooling; moralabsolutes; publikskoolz; schools; southernbaptist; wileydrake
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The problem is that if everyone did this, what would happen to freak dancing and cheerleaders? The end of civilization as we know it...
1 posted on 10/20/2006 1:24:54 PM PDT by achilles2000
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To: achilles2000

Good, good.

Lib controlled schools are the root of the comie/leftie problem ..


2 posted on 10/20/2006 1:29:12 PM PDT by voletti (Awareness and Equanimity.)
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To: achilles2000

"If you like sexually transmitted diseases, shootings and high teen pregnancy rates, by all means, send your children to public schools."

Gee, it's so not like the Baptists to use fear and hyperbole to direct the actions of their congregations!


3 posted on 10/20/2006 1:30:45 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Say "NO" to the Trans-Texas Corridor)
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To: achilles2000

In Philadelphia, the schools now have a "Gay History Month".


4 posted on 10/20/2006 1:31:51 PM PDT by sportutegrl (This thread is useless without pix.)
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To: achilles2000

The more who pull themselves from the indoctrination centes the weaker will be the influence of the indoctrinators.


5 posted on 10/20/2006 1:33:01 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: achilles2000

It's a real shame that the "spirit of Vatican 2" led to the closings of so many parochial schools.

But I think we are reaching the point where a majority of voters may be willing to say that they should not have to pay taxes to support swinishly wasteful and badly run public schools AND pay to educate their children privately.

Not to mention the fact that in the cities numerous blacks and others attend parochial schools on scholarship even though they are not Catholic.

The whole education business needs to be reinvented. If the Baptists pull out, that will be a major step toward revaluating the entire system.


6 posted on 10/20/2006 1:33:44 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Gee, it's so not like the Baptists to use fear and hyperbole to direct the actions of their congregations!

Try: use the truth to inform their independently Christ-minded, congregationalist, peers in the priesthood of believers.

7 posted on 10/20/2006 1:34:51 PM PDT by unspun (What do you think? Please think, before you answer.)
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To: unspun
Try: use the truth to inform their independently Christ-minded, congregationalist, peers in the priesthood of believers.

LOL!!!!

Oh man, that's rich!!!

8 posted on 10/20/2006 1:36:26 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Say "NO" to the Trans-Texas Corridor)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

You seem to fear the word.......


9 posted on 10/20/2006 1:37:23 PM PDT by Axlrose
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To: achilles2000
16 million-member Southern Baptist Convention for parents to pull their children from those schools in favor of homeschooling.

With a congregation that big, they ought to be able to start up some sedcular schools of their own. Homeschooling is actually pretty demanding. Not that many people can handle it.

10 posted on 10/20/2006 1:37:28 PM PDT by Dracian
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To: Dracian

11 posted on 10/20/2006 1:41:11 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Say "NO" to the Trans-Texas Corridor)
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To: Dracian

Au contraire, homeschooling may require less instructional time that the typical parent wastes conforming his and his family's life to the demands of government schools. With the curriculum and support that is available, anyone can homeschool----as long as he wants to. For most, it is just a question of priorities.


12 posted on 10/20/2006 1:44:01 PM PDT by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
You don't know much about Baptists.

Suggestion: don't advertise your ignorance.

13 posted on 10/20/2006 1:47:54 PM PDT by unspun (What do you think? Please think, before you answer.)
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To: Dracian
I speak as a Southern Baptist.

1.) Home schooling ain't that difficult. Parents should not be scared off from it, as there are many great resources - many will educate the parents about the Christian foundations of our country. (My wife and I home schooled our kids for several years.)

2.) NO church organization ought to seek as much influence as the SBC is. God's Word tells us the parents (primarily the father) are the folks He holds responsible for educating the kids. The church is to support parents - without much regard for which school the rug-rats go to.

3.) The SBC is heading down the path to irrelevance, being more concerned with social ills than with discipleship. Welcoming purpose-driven, seeker-sensitive, and emergent doctrines that tear folk away from Scripture in favor of pleasing man.

4.) Therefore, we ought to have confidence only in Almighty God - the three-in-one creator and sustainer of our souls.
14 posted on 10/20/2006 1:47:58 PM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Lunatic, research demonstrates that homeschooled Christian children out test the stuffing out of national averages.

Once again, you display a marked ignorance, yourself.

What causes you to come here and campaign against Christ-influenced people who seek private education -- here in FR of all places?

Glutton for punishment?

15 posted on 10/20/2006 1:49:53 PM PDT by unspun (What do you think? Please think, before you answer.)
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To: unspun
You don't know much about Baptists.

I was raised Southern Baptist, thank you.

Suggestion: don't advertise your ignorance.

Follow your own.

16 posted on 10/20/2006 1:52:26 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Say "NO" to the Trans-Texas Corridor)
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To: unspun
Lunatic, research demonstrates that homeschooled Christian children out test the stuffing out of national averages.

Post this research, please. I'd like to see it.

17 posted on 10/20/2006 1:53:08 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Say "NO" to the Trans-Texas Corridor)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Then take your peculiar personal struggle elsewhere. I suggest to the Lord.
18 posted on 10/20/2006 1:53:34 PM PDT by unspun (What do you think? Please think, before you answer.)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

It's evident you didn't learn much while a Southern Baptist.


19 posted on 10/20/2006 1:55:24 PM PDT by em2vn
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Gee, it's so not like the Baptists to use fear and hyperbole fact and understatement to direct the actions of their congregations!

There. fixed it...

20 posted on 10/20/2006 1:57:03 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

The problem with the SBC is that it has been joined at the hip with the government schools for generations. Today, the SBC is having a hard time with an issue that is simple theologically because it has been coopted by government school money and parents.


21 posted on 10/20/2006 1:59:55 PM PDT by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: achilles2000

Schwarzenegger needs to be voted out! He's such a lib.


22 posted on 10/20/2006 2:01:56 PM PDT by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: Dracian

We started a small Christian school in our church 20 years ago. It's been very successful. It's a small church with people and a pastor who believed in Christian education. Now we're forming another Christian school near Utica which will be an 8 million dollar facility when built. It CAN be done but it takes people who really are committed to it. Our graduates have gone on to some good schools and they have good morals and values.


23 posted on 10/20/2006 2:05:15 PM PDT by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: sportutegrl
In Philadelphia, the schools now have a "Gay History Month".

Soon to follow: "Muslim Pride Month" (for them) & "Dhimmi Month" (for you infidels)...

24 posted on 10/20/2006 2:09:00 PM PDT by kromike
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To: Lunatic Fringe

***Post this research, please. I'd like to see it.***

It's been in the news often for anyone who is so interested in the subject to have seen it. And asking for proof of something already so obvious is an old and tired ploy just to waste someone else's time.

Now, why in the heck are you here on this thread, if you're not interested enough to have heard or read the news? Go away and let God-loving people have a peaceful and fruitful discussion. Or would you rather that the public schools keep teaching our kids to be commies?


25 posted on 10/20/2006 2:15:20 PM PDT by kitkat (The first step down to hell is to deny the existence of evil.)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

unspun: Lunatic, research demonstrates that homeschooled Christian children out test the stuffing out of national averages.

LF: Post this research, please. I'd like to see it.

unspun:

http://www.naturalfamilyhome.com/homeschooling-statistics.html
http://www.hslda.org/docs/nche/000010/200410250.asp
http://www.scaihs.org/pdf/act%20scores.pdf
http://www.hslda.org/docs/study/ray1997/default.asp
http://www.ontariohomeschool.org/comparison.shtml
http://www.homeschoolfoundation.org/homeschooling/rudner1999/rudner5.asp
http://www.hslda.org/docs/study/rudner1999/default.asp
http://www.csj.net/~mkwoods/good.htm


26 posted on 10/20/2006 2:16:36 PM PDT by unspun (What do you think? Please think, before you answer.)
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To: achilles2000
for parents to pull their children from those schools in favor of homeschooling.

Not a Baptist, but my gratuitous oponion is that if they are really serious they should begin to establish an autonomous educational system akin to the Catholic schools. I have great respect for the numerous home schoolers I know, but I also know that not all parents are the right people to enact this option.

27 posted on 10/20/2006 2:17:39 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Marysecretary

***Schwarzenegger needs to be voted out! He's such a lib.***

Well, Mary, I'm no expert on Schwarzenegger, but he DID veto three bills that would have made the public schools even worse when it comes to indoctrinating our kids. I'm thankful to learn that about him, and a future dem gov. would probably sign them when they come up again.


28 posted on 10/20/2006 2:18:19 PM PDT by kitkat (The first step down to hell is to deny the existence of evil.)
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To: Marysecretary

I'm delighted to hear about your Christian schools, Mary. Good for you.


29 posted on 10/20/2006 2:20:14 PM PDT by kitkat (The first step down to hell is to deny the existence of evil.)
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To: achilles2000

Individual home schooling for the first time can be a life-style changing enterprise for many families, particularly if both parents are working before they start home schooling.

I would suggest to the Baptists that, before making a big push for the exits, they study some of the practical issues their families will have and study some practical solutions for people.

I would encourage larger Baptist congregations to first look at starting a private group school for the families in the congregation.

For smaller congregations:

I would encourage Baptist parents who live less than ten minutes away from each other to share the home schooling practical requirements with each other. In family groups of two or more households it would provide more possibilities for part-time employment for some parents who would not have that opportunity, if incurring all the home schooling duties as a single household. It would engage the diversity of expertise available from different parents in the group. It would also provide an element of socialization that critics cite as one of the missing attriubutes of single household home schooling.

Even where congregations cannot afford to help run private schools, the socialization part is an area where the congregations can help makeup for the missing non-academic group activities of public schools. Groups of congregations, in existing, official or artificially arranged groups can open their facilities and engage their leaders in extending the kind and time of "youth" activities they support. They can start various youth clubs and teams and the clubs and teams can meet individually and with the clubs and teams from other congregations in the group. The meetings, or events could even move from one congregation in the group to another; sharing the scheduling and supervision burden between them.

In the area of the curriculum, the Baptist's national offices should help ($$$ and research) Baptist parents find proper text books, including, but not limited to, textbooks that teach AMERICAN history and not the leftist, white-guilt, every-culture-but-ours-is-great, kill-the-Judeo-Christian-contributions history that is taught in many public schools today. They could try to establish a rotating group of prominent, well known Conservative scholars as a text book editorial board (maybe they have to pay them), from which text book recommendations could be made.


30 posted on 10/20/2006 2:21:48 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: achilles2000

www.badjocks.com will keep you..umm...abreast...of the antics you seek...


31 posted on 10/20/2006 2:21:54 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (If a pug barks and no one is around to hear it... they hold a grudge for a long time!)
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To: hinckley buzzard

That is exactly right...and I wish the Catholics had not listened to the Vatican II promoters and kept their system intact. Many people don't know that the Catholic system in Chicago was larger than the government system in the 1950's. Would someone tell the Pope to get on this? ;-)


32 posted on 10/20/2006 2:22:56 PM PDT by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: K4Harty

Well, of course, I was only referring to the needs of others....;-)


33 posted on 10/20/2006 2:24:28 PM PDT by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: Tribune7
Then the next step in the war will be court rulings that parents may NOT homeschool their own children. (It happened recently in Germany.)

The indoctrination centers will not give up their control easily or freely.

34 posted on 10/20/2006 2:24:59 PM PDT by Prov3456
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg

The SBC is heading down the path to irrelevance

I don't know if I would go that far, it doesn't surprise me that the SBC is taking a stand on these kind of social ills. Remember the Disney boycott? The stand against public schools seems to be more rational than targeting Mickey Mouse.


35 posted on 10/20/2006 2:26:45 PM PDT by cornfedcowboy
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To: achilles2000

i only keep the website handy to mention it to others, such as was the case with you. ;o)


36 posted on 10/20/2006 2:27:19 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (If a pug barks and no one is around to hear it... they hold a grudge for a long time!)
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To: achilles2000
Welcome aboard, you won't regret it.
37 posted on 10/20/2006 2:29:01 PM PDT by stevio (Red-Blooded Crunchy Con American Male (NRA))
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To: cornfedcowboy

The odd thing is that the SBC will loudly denounce sins the typical Southern Baptist doesn't commit, but it doesn't want to speak at all about the sins that they do commit. Disobedience in the education of their children is the best example of this.


38 posted on 10/20/2006 2:57:19 PM PDT by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: cornfedcowboy
The stand against public schools seems to be more rational than targeting Mickey Mouse.

They weren't attacking Mickey Mouse, they were attacking Eisner and his Homo minions, that turned Disney World periodically, into a cesspool.

39 posted on 10/20/2006 3:00:43 PM PDT by itsahoot (If the GOP does not do something about immigration, immigration will do something about the GOP)
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To: kitkat

If you aren't going to provide evidence, don't bother to respond.


40 posted on 10/20/2006 3:04:23 PM PDT by stands2reason (The map is not the territory - A. Korzybski)
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To: achilles2000
If you like sexually transmitted diseases, shootings and high teen pregnancy rates, by all means, send your children to public schools

Me like, but I don't got no chilrun to send! What to do?

41 posted on 10/20/2006 3:07:40 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
"Home schooling ain't that difficult." I hope your poor grammar is an attempt to be somewhat funny!
42 posted on 10/20/2006 3:08:24 PM PDT by Timbo64
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To: Revolting cat!

"Me like, but I don't got no chilrun to send! What to do?"

That's easy: go yourself. If you're in New York, you can go as a teacher, and no matter what you do, it'll take them at least six years to fire you.


43 posted on 10/20/2006 3:24:02 PM PDT by Parody
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To: unspun

Nice try in making in seem like there are TONS of research out there.


http://www.hslda.org/docs/nche/000010/200410250.asp
http://www.naturalfamilyhome.com/homeschooling-statistics.html
http://www.homeschoolfoundation.org/homeschooling/rudner1999/rudner5.asp
http://www.hslda.org/docs/study/rudner1999/default.asp
These four links refer to the same study.

http://www.scaihs.org/pdf/act%20scores.pdf
This article compares 26 home-schooled students to 13,000 state students and 1 million nationwide students. Anyone who knows something about statistical analysis knows that comparing such a small sample to very large samples render the study meaningless.

http://www.hslda.org/docs/study/ray1997/default.asp
This link has NO study listed

http://www.ontariohomeschool.org/comparison.shtml
This article states: "median score of home schooled children was low in mathematical computation (42nd percentile)". Oops!

http://www.csj.net/~mkwoods/good.htm
An essay by a ninth grader is not legitimate research.

Even the studies that you did post (I'm sorry, the ONE legitimate study you posted) fail to prove your assertion that "research demonstrates that homeschooled 'Christian' children out test the stuffing out of national averages."


44 posted on 10/20/2006 4:08:53 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Say "NO" to the Trans-Texas Corridor)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

Why don't you go find "From the Extreme to the Mainstream" by Patrick Basham. It is a publication of the Fraser Insitute in Vancouver BC that gives a summary of the research up through, perhaps, 2001. Basham is now with a DC think tank.


45 posted on 10/20/2006 4:28:25 PM PDT by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: achilles2000

"...homeschooling may require less instructional time that the typical parent wastes conforming his and his family's life to the demands of government schools."

I'll second that. I made the mistake a few years ago of having a foreign exchange student. He attended our local government school. I homeschool my two children, and putting up with the public school rigamarole for one student easily took as much time as teaching two did. Why people are so willing to put up with the public schools' running their lives, I'll never know. Freedom, thy name is homeschooling.


46 posted on 10/20/2006 4:32:33 PM PDT by LadyNavyVet
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To: Lunatic Fringe

Try nheri.org. The National Home Education Research Institute has pages of high quality research. IIRC, the organization was started by a University of Maryland professor who set out to prove that homeschooling was bad, and ended up proving the opposite.


47 posted on 10/20/2006 4:35:41 PM PDT by LadyNavyVet
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To: achilles2000

I have no doubt that homeschooled children taught by educated parents are superb to public school students... but that's not what unspun said.


48 posted on 10/20/2006 4:36:01 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Say "NO" to the Trans-Texas Corridor)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

Actually, the Baptists have debated this for a number of years. It's only in this last 2 years that a consensus seems to be developing.

But...that makes sense.

It's not like the public school system is serving us well; especially in urban and suburban areas.


49 posted on 10/20/2006 4:41:00 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: achilles2000
I'm no fan of public schools but child abuse?

It's this kind of nutty rhetoric that makes all Fundamentalist Christians look like the Taliban.

50 posted on 10/20/2006 4:46:18 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (Common sense will do to liberalism what the atomic bomb did to Nagasaki-Rush Limbaugh)
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