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New Commandant of Midshipmen is a woman
USNA Alumni Association | 10-20-2006 | Lawrence Heyworth III

Posted on 10/20/2006 1:39:44 PM PDT by ArtyFO

Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 12:57 PM Subject: New Commandant of Midshipmen This email is being sent to all USNA Alumni & Foundation Leadership for further dissemination.

The Naval Academy has asked that we pass the following to you: ANNAPOLIS, Md. -- Naval Academy Superintendent Vice Adm. Rodney P. Rempt has selected Naval Flight Officer and academy graduate, Capt. Margaret D. Klein to serve as the 82nd Commandant of Midshipmen.

Klein, 49, a native of Weymouth , Mass. will relieve current Commandant of Midshipmen Capt. Bruce E. Grooms in December. Capt. Grooms has been selected for promotion to Rear Admiral and assignment as deputy director, Submarine Warfare Division, N87B, Office of the Chief of Naval Operations, Washington, D.C..

Klein, a 1981 graduate of the Naval Academy is currently serving as Chief of Staff to Commander, Carrier Strike Group Eight, embarked in the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower Strike Group. She was designated a Naval Flight Officer in 1983 and served three operational tours in Fleet Air Reconnaissance Squadron Three (the “Ironmen”) flying in the EC-130Q and the E-6A “TACAMO” aircraft. Klein had command of the Ironmen in her final tour, during which the squadron won the Battle E and Maintenance Excellence Award.

Klein’s extensive operational experience includes service on the USS Kitty Hawk Battle Group Staff during Operation Enduring Freedom and Operation Iraqi Freedom. Her major command was Wing Commander of Joint Service Task Force 124 and Strategic Communications Wing One in Tinker Air Force Base, Oklahoma .

Klein previously served in the Presidential Contingency Plans Directorate of the White House Military Office, as a Brookings Legislative Fellow in 1997 and on the staff of Senator Olympia Snowe, briefing defense issues. She holds a Masters of Education in Educational Leadership from the University of Southern Maine .

Vice Adm. Rempt selected Capt. Klein from a group of distinguished and highly qualified candidates. “Capt. Klein is superbly qualified to lead the Brigade of Midshipmen and brings a substantial amount of operational, academic and leadership experience to the position,” said Rempt. “Capt. Grooms has done a magnificent job as Commandant, and has contributed significantly to the moral, mental and physical development of the next generation of naval officers. We are thankful for his superb leadership while he has been at the Academy.”

The Commandant of Midshipmen is responsible for training, discipline and character development of the Academy’s 4,200 midshipmen into combat leaders of character for the Navy and Marine Corps.

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Can it get any more PC?
1 posted on 10/20/2006 1:39:44 PM PDT by ArtyFO
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To: ArtyFO

To me she sounds like a very well qualified officer !


2 posted on 10/20/2006 1:41:25 PM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: Rummyfan

Army's going to have a field day with this one.


3 posted on 10/20/2006 1:42:51 PM PDT by cdga5for4
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To: ArtyFO
"Can it get any more PC?"

That's the name of the game today......unfortunately.

4 posted on 10/20/2006 1:44:19 PM PDT by traditional1
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To: ArtyFO

It's a shame that the Academy didn't know you were more qualified for the position. It's a loss for us all.


5 posted on 10/20/2006 1:45:11 PM PDT by steveo (ADVERTISEMENT)
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To: ArtyFO
Can it get any more PC?

In your opinion what is it exactly that makes her unqualified for the post?

9 posted on 10/20/2006 1:46:37 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: ArtyFO

This title is merit based at the Academy.

I believe they have had female Commandants before,...I think it was before PC ruled the day, as well. They are highly qualified and well respected by ALL members of the brigade.


10 posted on 10/20/2006 1:46:41 PM PDT by incredulous joe ("Alan Keyes is my homeboy!")
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To: ArtyFO

Jack Aubrey would roll over in his grave.

If he had one, that is.


11 posted on 10/20/2006 1:47:27 PM PDT by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings...Modesty hides my thighs in her wings...)
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To: ArtyFO

WAYR?

Why is she not qualified? What is PC about this?


12 posted on 10/20/2006 1:49:00 PM PDT by mnehring (True Conservatives don't stab our troops in the back by not voting!)
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To: ArtyFO
>>Klein previously served in the Presidential Contingency Plans Directorate of the White House Military Office

Under which President?

>>as a Brookings Legislative Fellow in 1997

Bad sign.

>>and on the staff of Senator Olympia Snowe

Another bad sign.

>>She holds a Masters of Education

Possible bad sign.

13 posted on 10/20/2006 1:49:43 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Peace begins in the womb.)
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To: The Worthless Miracle

"What's she going to do? Nag the enemy to death?"

If necessary she wouldl kill them in the same manner that our male officers would do; with a gun, missle, possibly with her bare hands. If she is the top officer I expect that she is qualified in all.

You should be thankful that we have young people willing to accept such responsibility.


15 posted on 10/20/2006 1:51:13 PM PDT by incredulous joe ("Alan Keyes is my homeboy!")
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To: ArtyFO

I need a picture of said Captain before I pass judgement.


16 posted on 10/20/2006 1:52:00 PM PDT by ryan71 (You can hear it on the coconut telegraph...)
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To: boomop1

Oh, you were a boom operator! It took me a minute to figure out your nickname.


17 posted on 10/20/2006 1:54:07 PM PDT by American Quilter (You can't negotiate with people who are dedicated to your destruction.)
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To: steveo

LOL


18 posted on 10/20/2006 1:57:04 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (History convinces me that bad government results from too much government. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: ArtyFO

Question for you navy types ---

How do you get promoted from Capt (0-6) to Rear Admiral (0-8)? Isn't the rank of Commodore (0-7) in between?


19 posted on 10/20/2006 1:58:38 PM PDT by Elpasser
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To: incredulous joe
"What's she going to do? Nag the enemy to death?"

Now that's funny.

20 posted on 10/20/2006 2:00:07 PM PDT by Digger
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To: Elpasser
How do you get promoted from Capt (0-6) to Rear Admiral (0-8)? Isn't the rank of Commodore (0-7) in between?

There are two grades of Rear Admrial. The 0-7 version is a one star and the equivilent of an Army Brigadier. The O-8 version is a two star. O-7s are offically Rear Admiral, Lower Half and O-8s are Rear Admiral, Upper Half.

21 posted on 10/20/2006 2:02:35 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: ArtyFO

PC, eh? Sounds like her credentials are pretty darned good. How are yours for making such judgments?


22 posted on 10/20/2006 2:04:23 PM PDT by MineralMan (Non-evangelical Atheist)
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To: Digger

07 is Rear Admiral Lower Half. Did she get pushed up two grades? That would be very PC.


23 posted on 10/20/2006 2:04:45 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: massgopguy

I don't think so. I read the article as saying that the person she is replacing is being promoted, not her.


24 posted on 10/20/2006 2:07:36 PM PDT by MineralMan (Non-evangelical Atheist)
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To: ArtyFO
Can it get any more PC?

Can you be more chauvenist?

25 posted on 10/20/2006 2:07:57 PM PDT by Chena ("I'm not young enough to know everything." (Oscar Wilde))
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To: Non-Sequitur
"In your opinion what is it exactly that makes her unqualified for the post?"

The question should be more for you to explain how she was the MOST-QUALIFIED of those considered for the post, I think.

The point is that if a white, heterosexual male was promoted to the post, it would not appear here in this forum. We only trumpet the "PC" aspect of the promotion today, not the accomplishment of the rest of the members of society who quietly go about the traditional merit climb without fanfare.

Usually, those who are offended by pointing out the special treatment in the headlines whenever one of the "identified classes" gains prominence it is due to a mindset of "so there, now we showed 'em they can't treat us differently anymore", i.e., a persecution complex that PC-dom has addressed and rectified somehow.

That's the same PC-mentality that would get the Hildabeast elected to the White House with the votes of those who vote for her because she is a (purported) female, alone.

27 posted on 10/20/2006 2:12:21 PM PDT by traditional1
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To: MineralMan

heh heh. rear admiral. :P


28 posted on 10/20/2006 2:16:44 PM PDT by Ecthelion
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To: ArtyFO
She is good and qualified. It aint PC when a woman makes good in a role traditionally assigned to a man. She earned her place.
29 posted on 10/20/2006 2:17:55 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Being a Liberal is just a coping mechanism for low self esteem and/or bad parenting.)
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To: ArtyFO

The Navy is no different than any other private corporation these days.


30 posted on 10/20/2006 2:21:15 PM PDT by miliantnutcase ("If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. If it stops moving, subsidize it." -ichabod1)
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To: traditional1

"The question should be more for you to explain how she was the MOST-QUALIFIED of those considered for the post, I think."

You should ask Vice Admiral Rempt for an explanation; presumably he knows more about her than any of us. Tell him he should explain himself to you.

Let us know what he says.


31 posted on 10/20/2006 2:21:23 PM PDT by linda_22003
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To: Pukin Dog
"She is good and qualified. It aint PC when a woman makes good in a role traditionally assigned to a man. She earned her place."

From Wikipedia " They pursue the same academic and professional training as do their male classmates, except that certain physical aptitude standards for women are lower than for men"

Physically LESS qualified since the rules are NOT equal. Argue 'til doomsday, but unless the rules are the same, the outcome is biased.

32 posted on 10/20/2006 2:23:54 PM PDT by traditional1
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To: cdga5for4
Army's going to have a field day with this one.

Nah. You will never hear the word "spllitttail". Ever.

33 posted on 10/20/2006 2:24:53 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (We shall never forget the atrocities of September 11, 2001.)
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To: linda_22003
"You should ask Vice Admiral Rempt for an explanation"

You doubt that the Vice Admiral follows orders as given?

Very un-military to think that.

34 posted on 10/20/2006 2:25:16 PM PDT by traditional1
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To: traditional1

Okay, so while you're asking him for an explanation, you can add, "Who forced you to do it?"

He'll love that. :)


35 posted on 10/20/2006 2:26:23 PM PDT by linda_22003
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To: Elpasser

It's Rear Admiral (Lower Half). O-8 is Rear Admiral (Upper Half). Commodores haven't made an album in several years so we dropped it.


36 posted on 10/20/2006 2:28:53 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: linda_22003
No force required (again, you miss the military aspect of the decision-making process).

And, do not confuse the rules used as being "equal", when they are specifically biased to allow the woman to even enter the Academy by lowering the standard for them to do so.

"They pursue the same academic and professional training as do their male classmates, except that certain physical aptitude standards for women are lower than for men"

37 posted on 10/20/2006 2:28:54 PM PDT by traditional1
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The question should be more for you to explain how she was the MOST-QUALIFIED of those considered for the post, I think.

Not at all. Saying someone is not the most qualified is playing at words. Qualified is qualified, and either she is qualified to hold the position or she is not. She is an academy graduate, has an advanced degree in education (always helpful in an academic environment), has successfully held mid-level and major commands, has served in line and staff positions both ashore and afloat. She seems eminently qualified, to me at least.

The point is that if a white, heterosexual male was promoted to the post, it would not appear here in this forum. We only trumpet the "PC" aspect of the promotion today, not the accomplishment of the rest of the members of society who quietly go about the traditional merit climb without fanfare.

And had the person posting this article not seemed so outraged at the idea of a female Commendant this article wouldn't have shown up here either. It was a PR puff piece from the USNA announcing an appointment, not some banner headline ripped from the newspaper. So if you'r curious why this story is here at all then you need to ask ArtyFO. He posted it.

Usually, those who are offended by pointing out the special treatment in the headlines whenever one of the "identified classes" gains prominence it is due to a mindset of "so there, now we showed 'em they can't treat us differently anymore", i.e., a persecution complex that PC-dom has addressed and rectified somehow.

This is not a news story, it's an email. I read the body of the information and other than the fact that they referred to Captain Kline as 'she' and 'her' they do not make note of the fact that she is a woman. ArtyFO posted this, I do not know if the wording of the title is his alone or not. So for all we know the USNA did not trumpet the fact that Captain Kline is female.

That's the same PC-mentality that would get the Hildabeast elected to the White House with the votes of those who vote for her because she is a (purported) female, alone.

Were you aware of the fact that the officer that she is replacing, Captain Grooms, is, in fact, an African-American? Now you have something else to cry 'PC' about.

38 posted on 10/20/2006 2:29:20 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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Usually, those who are offended by pointing out the special treatment in the headlines

What in the hell are you trying to say here?

First of all, this was a USNA announcement. Not a published news article.

Second, the person who posted it made a snide PC comment on the story. So the ENTIRE REASON we are seeing it in this forum is because someone wanted to disparage this officer's gender.

Gawd, you are making an objection for something that simply is not there with this story. And I see a bunch of people trashing a Naval Flight Officer for no reason other than her gender, and that's bullcrap.

40 posted on 10/20/2006 2:30:26 PM PDT by dirtboy (Good fences make good neighbors)
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To: traditional1
Physically LESS qualified since the rules are NOT equal.

She FLEW A PLANE off a FRIGGIN CARRIER. I SINCERELY DOUBT the likes of you would qualify - few people do. I think it's safe to say she's got bigger b***s than her critics on this forum.

This is sick - people attacking a member of the military, a Naval Pilot at that.

42 posted on 10/20/2006 2:32:46 PM PDT by dirtboy (Good fences make good neighbors)
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To: traditional1
Physically LESS qualified since the rules are NOT equal. Argue 'til doomsday, but unless the rules are the same, the outcome is biased.

The Navy doesn't win wars by arm-wrestling their opponents. Academic and professional standards are the same and that is what will make or break the officer. Now, if the Navy ever decides to lower it's standards and put brawn ahead of brain then they'll know just where to find you, won't they?

43 posted on 10/20/2006 2:33:20 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: traditional1
thanks....I hoped others were aware that the last appointment was a token "appearance purposes" appointment, also.

Man, you are a disgrace.

44 posted on 10/20/2006 2:34:16 PM PDT by dirtboy (Good fences make good neighbors)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Absolutely. Brains and nerve count in the Navy and the Coast Guard. There's always going to be some big hulking goon to haul around the M203s, but most of the work is done by electrons these days.

I have no problem with female officers. I definitely have no problem with female chief petty officers. Like all good, sensible people, I run and hide from them when they come down the passageway with blood in their eyes...
45 posted on 10/21/2006 5:57:22 AM PDT by GAB-1955 (being dragged, kicking and screaming, into the Kingdom of Heaven....)
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To: ArtyFO

The response from Rear Admiral William Smedberg USN Retired is:
USNA_CA@yahoogroups.com
From: WSmedberg@xxx.com Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:56:48 EDT
Subject: Re: [USNA_CA] FW: New Commandant of Midshipmen

Wonder how long it will be before thie feminists dictate we all must wear pink panties!
__._,_.___


46 posted on 10/21/2006 3:44:25 PM PDT by ArtyFO (I love to smoke cigars when I adjust artillery fire.)
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To: dirtboy
This is sick - people attacking a member of the military, a Naval Pilot at that.


"The U.S. Navy does not have 'pilots', May-yo-naise! The U.S. Navy has 'A-vee-a-tors'!!!"

47 posted on 10/21/2006 3:57:19 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: ArtyFO
Congratulations to Capt. Margaret D. Klein for your selection as Commandant of Midshipmen. I'm sure that you will be an excellent "Dant". As an Academy grad and as an NFO, I'm sure that you are tough enough to endure some of the tiresome and tedious remarks such as those few that appear above.

Congratulations also to Capt. Bruce E. Grooms on your well-deserved promotion to Rear Admiral L.H.

.

48 posted on 10/21/2006 3:59:44 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: ArtyFO
Do us all a favor.

Go find somewhere else to be a flaming a-hole.

49 posted on 10/21/2006 4:22:23 PM PDT by dirtboy (Good fences make good neighbors)
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To: ArtyFO
"Can it get any more PC?"

What's PC about it? Sounds like she's as qualified as need be. Unless you think women have no place in the armed forces at all, nothing to complain about here.
50 posted on 10/21/2006 4:41:08 PM PDT by DesScorp
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