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Nelson Continues To Lead Harris. (by 26 points in Florida Senate race. It's over)
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Posted on 10/20/2006 9:07:35 PM PDT by MindBender26

A new Mason-Dixon poll out tonight shows Democrat Bill Nelson leading Republican Katherine Harris by 26 points in the U.S. Senate race.

Nelson polls at 57 percent; Harris at 31 percent. Nelson has been ahead by at least 15 points since Mason-Dixon first began polling nearly two years ago.

While campaigning in North Florida this week, Nelson told supporters that the race would even and that garnering 55 percent of the vote would be a landslide.

Harris spokeswoman Jennifer Marks released a statement, saying "Congresswoman Harris has a long history of rebounding from negative polling predictions because her message of cutting taxes and securing our nation's borders resonates across the political spectrum."


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KEYWORDS: cutandrunrepubs; defeatists; justgiveup; katherineharris; letshangourselves; loserpublicans
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She is also very short on cash and Nelson is so far ahead, he is not spending any of his huge monetary warchest.

She tried. We will miss her.

1 posted on 10/20/2006 9:07:36 PM PDT by MindBender26
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To: MindBender26

That race was over before it began.


2 posted on 10/20/2006 9:08:42 PM PDT by DarthVader (Conservatives aren't always right , but Liberals are almost always wrong.)
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To: MindBender26
She is also very short on cash and Nelson is so far ahead, he is not spending any of his huge monetary warchest.

Sounds like Nelson will have plenty of money to send to other 'RATS.

3 posted on 10/20/2006 9:09:45 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: MindBender26

Sadly, Nelson was never in any danger of losing to Harris.


4 posted on 10/20/2006 9:10:45 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Free Republic is Currently Suffering a Pandemic of “Bush Derangement Syndrome.”)
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To: MindBender26

Unfortunately Harris campaign was wrecked by scandals and staff problems and little support from the national party. She is a great lady who would have made a terrific Senator.


5 posted on 10/20/2006 9:11:56 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: MindBender26

I sure am glad election day is already over and the victor chosen!

Ooops. No one has voted yet!


6 posted on 10/20/2006 9:11:57 PM PDT by Prost1 (Fair and Unbiased as always!)
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To: DarthVader
Unfortunately this race was lost almost 6 years ago when the establishment GOP allowed her to be demonized simply for doing her job.
7 posted on 10/20/2006 9:13:25 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter ( I am sitting under my cone of silence, inside a copper wire cage wearing a tin foil hat...)
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To: MindBender26
The Bush administration tried to convince Harris to bow out but she was stubborn and refused.

They realized something which Republican idealogues wouldn't admit — that she is unelectable state-wide, even against a vulnerable candidate like Nelson.

Florida was a wasted opportunity.

8 posted on 10/20/2006 9:17:11 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: MindBender26
We love you Congresswoman Harris! Ignore the polls and the bashers we support you 110%!!!
9 posted on 10/20/2006 9:19:16 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: quidnunc
that she is unelectable state-wide

Get some new talking points.

How did she become Secretary of State of FL, Congresswoman, and won the GOP Senate primary then if she's "unelectable."

10 posted on 10/20/2006 9:20:49 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: quidnunc

My thoughts exactly. Too bad we couldn't convince Tommy Franks to run.


11 posted on 10/20/2006 9:21:19 PM PDT by Perdogg (Democratic Party - The political wing of Al Qaida)
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To: MindBender26; JulieRNR21
The gloom & doomers pounce on the Harris threads just as quickly and assiduously as the broom sweepers who follow the elephants at the end of a circus parade, LOL.

Leni

12 posted on 10/20/2006 9:22:52 PM PDT by MinuteGal (Florida Freepers, keep up with FL politics & freeps on our state forum. To access it, freepmail me.)
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To: COEXERJ145
Sadly, Nelson was never in any danger of losing to Harris.

What happened to all this "conservatives must go out and vote" and "broken glass Republicans" and all that good stuff?

It applies to Chafee, Lieberman, and Schwarzenegger but not to real conservatives such as Harris?

13 posted on 10/20/2006 9:23:08 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: MinuteGal

Harris BUMP!


14 posted on 10/20/2006 9:23:28 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

I agree with that too.


15 posted on 10/20/2006 9:23:50 PM PDT by Perdogg (Democratic Party - The political wing of Al Qaida)
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To: quidnunc

Well, that, and the fact the GOP establishment took every opportunity to isolate her, demonize her, conduct whispering campaigns, deny endorsements until the end when they were forced to tepidly endorse her, try to recruit one candidate after another to challenge her including a certain disgraced recently former Republican Congressman who's last name begins with an "F" and so on.

All of that might have served to help depress her chances of success too.

And when one of you can point to a good reason why Harris is so unsuitable to serve, but lightweights such as Chafee and Murkowski are not? I'll listen to you. Until then this is a seat I chalk up lost by the smear campaign the GOP led against its own candidate primarily.

BTW, while I concede the seat is probably gone, I don't concede a loss under 40%. Sorry, not buying it.


16 posted on 10/20/2006 9:24:59 PM PDT by Soul Seeker (Kobach: Amnesty is going from an illegal to a legal position, without imposing the original penalty.)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

Well said.


17 posted on 10/20/2006 9:25:37 PM PDT by My2Cents (The Democrat Party's '06 platform: Offering a "Suicide Pact With America.")
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

If I lived in Florida, I would vote for Harris, not a problem.

Her campaign did have problems and missteps. She's a wonderful person, the timing was not right on this.

If she does lose, it will an opportunity missed.


18 posted on 10/20/2006 9:26:47 PM PDT by Perdogg (Democratic Party - The political wing of Al Qaida)
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To: quidnunc

She has never lost a race and was elected statewide.


19 posted on 10/20/2006 9:26:59 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Extremely Extreme Extremist wrote: (that she is unelectable state-wide Get some new talking points.) How did she become Secretary of State of FL, Congresswoman, and won the GOP Senate primary then if she's "unelectable."

She's 26 points behind — that's a landslide, and then some.

It's also an indicator of unelectability.

20 posted on 10/20/2006 9:28:05 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Also elected to the Florida legislature.


21 posted on 10/20/2006 9:28:09 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Soul Seeker
And when one of you can point to a good reason why Harris is so unsuitable to serve, but lightweights such as Chafee and Murkowski are not?

As is usual on Harris threads, you're completely and totally missing the point. One could, potentially, believe that Harris would be the greatest senator in the history of the country, and simultaneously ALSO believe that at no point did she have the remotest chance of winning this election and that having her be the Republican nominee was mind-bogglingly stupid.

It's not a matter of one's opinion of whether she's suitable to serve, it's a matter of whether someone is a realistic sort that actually has some comprehension of the mindset of an undecided, swing, or moderate voter in a statewide election vs. someone that lives in a political fantasyland.

22 posted on 10/20/2006 9:32:45 PM PDT by Strategerist (Those who know what's best for us must rise and save us from ourselves)
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To: Perdogg
She's a wonderful person, the timing was not right on this.

Well, I'd be the first to admit that she was premature in running for Senate after only serving 4 years in Congress.

But she threw her hat in the ring fair and square, nobody didn't challenge her and she's the nominee now. Coulda, woulda, shoulda. Either conservatives get behind her or they want Nelson to win. Funny how all this rah-rah conservatives must get out and vote Republican or else Pelosi will wreak havoc doesn't apply to Harris. Ditto with the polls. Polls about Bush - BARF ALERT! But polls about Harris are the gospel. There's a huge double standard here. This website is supposed to advance conservatism, not defeat it in favor of the status-quo, and Harris is possible the most conservative candidate in the mid-terms after Santorum.

23 posted on 10/20/2006 9:33:54 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: MindBender26; JulieRNR21; Nick Danger; trussell; tutstar; .30Carbine; OXENinFLA

I'll bet that in the first hour of voting, it will be reported even worse than that for Harris. No need for the Panhandle voters to bother, move along, nothing to see here.

Imagine if all Florida's GOP voters actually chose to ignore the Ministry of Voting Polls?

And if all who support the generally true Conservative values were to really start praying for her and for Florida and America?


24 posted on 10/20/2006 9:34:53 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: quidnunc
She's 26 points behind — that's a landslide, and then some.

Yeah, what butt-hole did the numbers come out of. Like I said, polls about Harris are the gospel. If this was a poll about Bush you'd be screaming Barf Alert.

25 posted on 10/20/2006 9:35:08 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: MindBender26
This will be a single digit race. This poll is ridiculous, what half the Repubs going to vote for Nelson?

Pray for W and Our Troops
26 posted on 10/20/2006 9:38:26 PM PDT by bray (Voting for the Rats is a Death Wish)
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To: MinuteGal
Yep, some of the Kathrine Harris' "experts" never gives up as being the "ass-naut" bill nelson's moles campaigning for him here on a conservative forum!

Here's a few words I heard from Rush Limbaugh yesterday addressed to these moles!!

"It doesn't matter who you think is going to win at the halfway point. It doesn't matter who you think is going to win at the three-quarters point. It matters who wins when it's over." I read that he pulled the same analogy out this week as the Patriots are coming off their bye. He's got a different team and he's going through the same thing. But all these things are relevant to politics today in the sense that nobody knows what's going to happen right now, not a soul knows, not the pollsters, nobody knows. And to start making bets, start making plans to start letting your mood be affected by what you think is going to happen now based on what nobody can know, nobody can know. If we knew who was going to -- if the polls were accurate, then there would be no reason to have the election, would there be? If the exit polls were accurate, there would be no reason to count the votes, would there? But for some reason, we still in this country (I don't know for how much longer) count the votes. It isn't going to last too long, if Democrats keep losing on the real vote count. We're going to stop counting the real votes and we're going to go on polls, pre-election polls and exit polls. But for now, Democrats lose. And I'm telling you, there is no way, there is not a person of this earth who knows what's going to happen on Election Day. There is nobody who knows what's going to happen tomorrow. There's nobody who knows what's going to happen tonight, other than those for whom it is night time and are living it now -- and yet we've got defeatist attitudes and we've got euphoria. We've got people making plans, Democrats, Pelosi, first hundred hours, measuring the drapes, they're celebrating on the ten yard line and they're about to spike the ball early and create a fumble."

Hmmmm!!!

27 posted on 10/20/2006 9:41:01 PM PDT by danamco
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I support Harris. I hope she wins. Why wouldn't I??? Look at it like a football game. In order for the Packers to beat the Steelers, the Packers have to not turn over the ball and play almost flawless football.

The same was in her case. She had issues going into the elections. Fine, I didn't have a problem with her with any of this. But she had to overcome this and run a flawless campaign. She hasn't.

I am not dumping on her, but from the perceptive that I have on this race, if she does lose, it would have been a wasted opportunity.




28 posted on 10/20/2006 9:41:17 PM PDT by Perdogg (Democratic Party - The political wing of Al Qaida)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

Then people in panhandle who support Harris and GOTV need to bust their asses and get these people out to vote.


29 posted on 10/20/2006 9:42:41 PM PDT by Perdogg (Democratic Party - The political wing of Al Qaida)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

"I wasn't about to vote for her because she was unelectable."

I love that "logic", don't you?


30 posted on 10/20/2006 9:45:47 PM PDT by kenth (There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count, and those who can't.)
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To: Perdogg
I know you weren't dumping on her; I saw it from your point of view. Had Bush or Bense jumped in I would have definetly supported them.

In order for the Packers to beat the Steelers

LOL. The way the Packers are playing, they're not able to beat a junior varsity high school squad.

31 posted on 10/20/2006 9:47:35 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Wasn't her district very Republican? If the guys in Foley's district couldn't have someone normal beat him, how hard could it have been for Harris to get her seat? She was elected statewide before the 2000 election mess which almost all Democrats still think they won.


32 posted on 10/20/2006 9:47:48 PM PDT by Democratshavenobrains
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To: Perdogg

Absolutely. All Freeping and no precinct walking means the Leftist gets our paycheck for the next six years....


33 posted on 10/20/2006 9:48:57 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I find it hard to believe anybody puts any credibility into these polls. They're just another TOOL of the libs.


34 posted on 10/20/2006 10:05:44 PM PDT by Rumple4
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To: Rumple4
I find it hard to believe anybody puts any credibility into these polls. They're just another TOOL of the libs.

I've always find it amusing when the polls are going our way, then they must be right and are touted as valid, but when they indicate something not favorable, then they are a tool of the libs, manipulated and biased.

35 posted on 10/20/2006 10:14:41 PM PDT by joesbucks
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To: MinuteGal


What you said, BUMP.

VOTE FOR HARRIS.


36 posted on 10/20/2006 10:16:48 PM PDT by onyx (We have two political parties: the American Party and the Anti-American Party.)
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To: MindBender26

But she looks positively smashing in mount! Where's the pic? That will get the votes...


37 posted on 10/20/2006 10:18:42 PM PDT by Petronski (CNN is an insidiously treasonous, enemy propaganda organ.)
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To: Petronski
But she looks positively smashing in mount! Where's the pic? That will get the votes...

Clearly hasn't been working. Sadly, she may rank with Alan Keyes as far as generating votes.

38 posted on 10/20/2006 10:20:14 PM PDT by joesbucks
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To: Rumple4
How can the polls reflect a preference for either candidate before exposure of the two in a head to head confrontation? It's the Debate stupid.

I think the first debate is next week, and on Russert Show the following week. And as fast as Corker caught and passed Ford, Harris can catch up to Nelson. The polls will never show her ahead, but the final vote very well may.

Kathy is heading for the homestretch. IMO she should attack Nelson as being a Washington Democratic clone, and another 6 yrs of his rubber stamping is not in Florida's interests.

39 posted on 10/20/2006 10:30:28 PM PDT by duckln
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To: joesbucks
Alan Keyes ....

Alan's a brilliant man, conservative to boot, but I don't think he ever was elected to anything.

By contrast Harris has, over and over. She will do very well and even win.

40 posted on 10/20/2006 10:35:37 PM PDT by duckln
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Well, since Florida has some 25 Congressional districts, her victory as a Congresswoman does nothing to show that she has state-wide appeal. Her district isn't exactly a challenging one for a GOP candidate to win.


Plus, winning a GOP primary doesn't mean that you can win in a general election -- just ask Lamont how his primary victory is carrying over to the general election. Candidates who don't stand a chance constantly win party primaries.


Finally, Secretary of State is one of those down-ticket positions that most voters pay don't really pay any attention to. Besides, she's running against an incumbent who has won state-wide in highly visible job. So only one of your three examples actually has any impact upon her being electable state-wide.

41 posted on 10/20/2006 10:45:30 PM PDT by LenS
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Well, since Florida has some 25 Congressional districts, her victory as a Congresswoman does nothing to show that she has state-wide appeal. Her district isn't exactly a challenging one for a GOP candidate to win.


Plus, winning a GOP primary doesn't mean that you can win in a general election -- just ask Lamont how his primary victory is carrying over to the general election. Candidates who don't stand a chance constantly win party primaries.


Finally, Secretary of State is one of those down-ticket positions that most voters pay don't really pay any attention to. Besides, she's running against an incumbent who has won state-wide in highly visible job. So only one of your three examples actually has any impact upon her being electable state-wide.

42 posted on 10/20/2006 10:46:06 PM PDT by LenS
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To: joesbucks

I think this year they are just a lib tool. This is their last gasp, if they lose in 2006 they're done and they know it.


43 posted on 10/20/2006 10:48:15 PM PDT by Rumple4
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To: joesbucks
I find it less than amusing that there are so many people around who haven't yet realized that many polls are routinely created by advocacy groups and even news organizations themselves to alter public opinion and to help the side they've chosen to support.

Still, there are polls which are designed to be as fair and as objective as practical, but even those polls have become increasingly inaccurate and unreliable as the response rate has plummeted below 40% in recent years, making the sample so unrepresentative as to be almost worthless. A poll with a reported margin of error of +/- 3% could easily be off by 10 points, and it's common for two very similar polls to be taken of the same population at the same time and give results differing by that amount. Believe the results of polls at your own risk, whether they're for you or against you.
44 posted on 10/20/2006 10:55:14 PM PDT by spinestein (Over?? Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor???)
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To: spinestein

I find it less than amusing that there are so many people around who haven't yet realized that many polls are routinely created by advocacy groups and even news organizations themselves to alter public opinion and to help the side they've chosen to support.

BUMP!

45 posted on 10/20/2006 10:57:56 PM PDT by onyx (We have two political parties: the American Party and the Anti-American Party.)
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To: LenS
Lamont is a horrible example. Before the primaries he IMO never ran for election. He's a business man sponsored by the Deaniacs and the radical left. An out and out fluke.

Candidates who don't stand a chance constantly win party primaries.

Candidates that do stand a chance constantly win in the primaries and general elections. As Kathy has and will again.

46 posted on 10/20/2006 10:58:58 PM PDT by duckln
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I don't live in Florida, but I did send her $250.00. She is a great lady!

LLS


47 posted on 10/20/2006 11:05:58 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: onyx

It's the Mason-Dixon poll. Pretty straight up.


48 posted on 10/20/2006 11:06:14 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in RVN meant never having to say I was sorry....)
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To: bray
This will be a single digit race. This poll is ridiculous, what half the Repubs going to vote for Nelson?

Exactly! Im surprised that so many are falling for the manipulated polls. I mean, we should always fight as if we are losing. It's safer that way. But we should never go as far as quit.

If your state is not vulnerable, adopt a candidate that is vulnerable in another state.

49 posted on 10/20/2006 11:06:41 PM PDT by MaineVoter2002 (If you dont vote on election day, then who are you electing?)
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To: MindBender26

I'm talking polls in general and the internals are always interesting.

Yes, she's behind, but can only win or be defeated on election day --- not in the polls.


50 posted on 10/20/2006 11:08:50 PM PDT by onyx (We have two political parties: the American Party and the Anti-American Party.)
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