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(Cardinal) O'Brien (of Scotland) urges Muslims to say sorry for 9/11
The Scotsman ^ | 10/22/2006 | Eddie Barnes

Posted on 10/21/2006 8:29:33 PM PDT by Pyro7480

O'Brien urges Muslims to say sorry for 9/11

EDDIE BARNES

THE leader of Scotland's Roman Catholics, Cardinal Keith O'Brien, has called for Muslims to apologise for the 9/11 and 7/7 bomb attacks, declaring that the public should not have to live "in fear of attack" from believers of the Islamic faith....

O'Brien said: "There have been no apologies for the shooting of the nun [in Somalia after the Pope made his remarks], let alone for 9/11 or the London bombings. I would like to see some reciprocal moves from the Islamic side. We shouldn't have to live in fear of attack from Muslims."

The cardinal's comments were made in the same interview in which, as was revealed last week, he backed Scottish independence, praising the benefits autonomy could bring....

O'Brien expands on his views on the British constitution. He declares that he "would be only too happy to continue to undermine the British State" if it goes on espousing sectarianism in the form of the Act of Settlement - the law which bars Catholics from marrying the heir to the throne.

Last night, the cardinal's views on Islam had stirred up a new controversy, with Muslim leaders furious at the comment. They claimed that as the terrorist attacks were carried out by extremists, mainstream Muslims who had already condemned the actions had nothing to apologise for.

O'Brien's comments came after he was asked which trend in society posed the greater threat in Europe: secularisation of Islamicisation.

He replied: "Secularisation is the greatest threat. Muslims are firm in their faith and in their views. They believe in one God. That is a point of identification; though it can also produce tensions. Muslims coming here are free to build mosques, but Christians in Muslim countries are often oppressed."

(Excerpt) Read more at scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911; cardinal; cardinalobrien; catholic; islam; mohammedans; muslim; muslims; rop; scotland; trop
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Another leader in the Catholic Church goes on the offense! Deo gratias!
1 posted on 10/21/2006 8:29:34 PM PDT by Pyro7480
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; broadsword; NYer; Salvation; sandyeggo; american colleen; ...

Catholic ping!


2 posted on 10/21/2006 8:30:09 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
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To: Pyro7480

Don't hold your breath, Keith.

We're the only ones that apologize for everything we say and do.


3 posted on 10/21/2006 8:34:02 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo
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To: Pyro7480

4 posted on 10/21/2006 8:36:45 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Pyro7480

There will be no apologies from Muslims, the only thing they understand is persuasion from a loaded gun.


5 posted on 10/21/2006 8:37:13 PM PDT by DarthVader (Conservatives aren't always right , but Liberals are almost always wrong.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Good luck on this one!


6 posted on 10/21/2006 8:37:46 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: DarthVader
"There will be no apologies from Muslims, the only thing they understand is persuasion from a loaded gun."

Exactly

7 posted on 10/21/2006 8:39:14 PM PDT by Brandie (Support American troops and the IDF or bug off and stay out of my life.)
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To: Pyro7480
"They claimed that as the terrorist attacks were carried out by extremists, mainstream Muslims who had already condemned the actions had nothing to apologise for."

Don't these bozos understand that their whole religion is being attacked and demonized by the extremists? How stupid are these Muslims anyway?

8 posted on 10/21/2006 8:44:56 PM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: Pyro7480

Pope Leo waving a sword before the Hun at the gates of Rome.


9 posted on 10/21/2006 8:44:57 PM PDT by Oratam
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To: Pyro7480

Fatwa !


10 posted on 10/21/2006 8:49:21 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

11 posted on 10/21/2006 8:51:25 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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12 posted on 10/21/2006 8:53:51 PM PDT by Coleus (Woe unto him that call evil good and good evil"-- Isaiah 5:20-21)
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To: Pyro7480
Another leader in the Catholic Church goes on the offense! Deo gratias!

Counting down to Muslim death threats hurled in response in Five... Four... Three... Two......

13 posted on 10/21/2006 8:57:57 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: Oratam
Thank you for the idea to use the following painting as part of my next post on my blog.


Raphael - The Meeting between Leo the Great and Attila

14 posted on 10/21/2006 8:58:34 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
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O'Brien urges Muslims to say sorry for 9/11

RACISM!
15 posted on 10/21/2006 9:02:22 PM PDT by Dallas59 (Muslims Are Only Guests In Western Countries)
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To: george76
When the termites invade, it's time for...


16 posted on 10/21/2006 9:02:28 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: Pyro7480

The history of Western Europe would undeniably be very different had the Frankish army been defeated in 732. Like the victory of Constantinople some fifteen years earlier, Muslim advances had finally been thwarted, and the steady Reconquista of Spain and parts of Byzantine Empire began apace.

Though the Byzantines finally succumbed by 1453, the Turks were eventually defeated in the great naval battle at Lepanto in 1571, and turned away from Vienna in 1683.

The threat of the Caliphate encroaching on Western Europe never penetrated as far west again--until today, as unassimilated Muslim immigrants threaten to "behead those who insult Islam" and foment rage at every perceived slight.


17 posted on 10/21/2006 9:04:55 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Earthdweller
How stupid are these Muslims anyway?

Probably not as stupid as chicken assed scared of their rabid counter parts.

19 posted on 10/21/2006 9:11:11 PM PDT by oyez (Why is it that egalitarians are such snobs?)
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To: Pyro7480

I didn't know you had a blog. Share, please.


20 posted on 10/21/2006 9:11:50 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Pyro7480

It would mean nothing to me if they did which they won't and who really cares? They fly planes into our buildings and kill 3000 people or more, ruin thousands of lives of their families and friends, send us to a war that causes us to lose 2000+ soldiers (with who knows how many more to come) who all have families who will never be the same and I'm supposed to accept an "we're sorry". How absurd. I'd take it as a gross insult. No way.


21 posted on 10/21/2006 9:14:46 PM PDT by Frwy (Eternity without Jesus is a hell-of-a long time.)
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To: Pyro7480

And how long till Cardinal O'Brien apologizes for daring to even suggest they apologize...tick tock..


22 posted on 10/21/2006 9:18:18 PM PDT by Ros42
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To: oyez
"Probably not as stupid as chicken assed scared of their rabid counter parts."

Well then I still contend that if they let fear smear their whole religion they must be stupid.

23 posted on 10/21/2006 9:20:03 PM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: Earthdweller

Obvious.


24 posted on 10/21/2006 9:21:02 PM PDT by oyez (Why is it that egalitarians are such snobs?)
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To: sageb1
Well, it's no big deal. I try to update it at least once a month, which is all I do sometimes. By and large, it's about Catholic feast days and art. The link is:

Dignare Me Laudare Te, Virgo Sacrata

25 posted on 10/21/2006 9:27:43 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
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To: DarthVader

I suppose that my thinking is simplistic and linear, but what should I or anyone else care for an apology?

We seem to have become obsessed with apologies in our western culture.

I'm not apologizing for something my ancestors may or may not have done 200 years ago to black people or anyone else. And I don't care if a murderer apologizes for his crime, or if one thousand muslims apologize for 9/11.

People apologizing for something they weren't around to do (own slaves) and people apologizing for something they want to do again (9/11). And people feeling better afterwards. This is rational?

This is more nauseating than a Barney and Friends marathon.


26 posted on 10/21/2006 9:29:50 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s...you weren't really there.)
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To: Ros42

Well, his fellow Cardinal, Cardinal Pell of Australia, has yet to apologize for his many comments about the Mohammedans, so we'll just have to wait and see.


27 posted on 10/21/2006 9:29:53 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
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To: Pyro7480

I sure hope he stands his ground.


28 posted on 10/21/2006 9:31:15 PM PDT by Ros42
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Am I the only one thinking that this poor guy just wrote his death sentence??


29 posted on 10/21/2006 9:45:39 PM PDT by CT102ndInfSister (I'm so proud of my big brother - currently stationed with the Army in Afghanistan)
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To: Pyro7480

George Bush needs to talk to the good Cardinal about hoe Muslims "enrich" our society. On second thought, Bush needs to listed to the good cardinal.


30 posted on 10/21/2006 9:47:55 PM PDT by BW2221
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To: BW2221

listed = listen. It's getting late.


31 posted on 10/21/2006 9:52:40 PM PDT by BW2221
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To: george76

A most excellent analysis! MAJOR KUDOS FOR DUE DILIGENCE!


32 posted on 10/21/2006 10:04:15 PM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: Pyro7480
Last night, the cardinal's views on Islam had stirred up a new controversy, with Muslim leaders furious at the comment. They claimed that as the terrorist attacks were carried out by extremists, mainstream Muslims who had already condemned the actions had nothing to apologise for.

But the United States is supposed to apologize for (and haha pay reparations for) slavery that ended 140 years ago, and for the mis-treatment of Native Americans that took place over 100 years ago, and for....

The more leaders that take on the Muslims and their two-faced campaign against us, the better.

33 posted on 10/21/2006 10:04:46 PM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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To: doc1019

People called Tutsis cockroaches too...


34 posted on 10/21/2006 10:11:07 PM PDT by zimdog
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To: Pyro7480
They claimed that as the terrorist attacks were carried out by extremists, mainstream Muslims who had already condemned the actions had nothing to apologise for.

True, the extremists carried out the attacks but why apologize when secretly they are in agreement with the terrorists' agenda. My tag says it all...

35 posted on 10/21/2006 10:12:36 PM PDT by CommandoFrank (Peer into the depths of hell and there you will find the face of Islam...)
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To: Pyro7480

Big giant bump!!!!


36 posted on 10/22/2006 1:15:30 AM PDT by Maeve
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To: Pyro7480; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; ..
Catholic Ping List
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37 posted on 10/22/2006 2:49:14 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Pyro7480

Talk is cheap, especially two faced islamic talk.


38 posted on 10/22/2006 3:08:26 AM PDT by tkathy (Some of the 9/11 hijackers were smiling taxi drivers.)
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To: Pyro7480

Thank-you for this post. It will be bookmarked.


39 posted on 10/22/2006 4:17:02 AM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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To: Pyro7480

Go Cardinal Go!!!


40 posted on 10/22/2006 4:27:02 AM PDT by Cate
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To: Ros42


BINGO!!!


41 posted on 10/22/2006 4:51:23 AM PDT by pallmallman (ww2.)
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To: Pyro7480

Expect the 'Arab Street' to respond with riots to the suggestion that Muslims need to apologize for anything. This Cardinal obviously doesn't realize the only ones on the face of this earth who are to apologize repeatedly for anything are white people. That's because all the rewritten history book clearly show every problem in the world was caused by them.


42 posted on 10/22/2006 4:56:20 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
Shame on you!

Barney is our friend!

You must love the Muslims for they are our friends!

Here...let's sing this song together, okay?!?

I love you,

You love me

We’re a great big family.

With a great big hug

And a kiss from me to you

Won’t you say you love me to?

We all must get along in this world and start lovin each other!

/sarcasm/

43 posted on 10/22/2006 5:37:15 AM PDT by GulfWar1Vet (I will not submit to Islam. Too bad that the Democrats already have. Have you submitted to Islam?)
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To: GulfWar1Vet

I hate you, you hate me,
We chased Barney up a tree.
With a knife in his back,
And a bullet in his head.
Aren't you glad that Barney's dead!

Winkipedia, the source of all useless [usually inaccurate] information


44 posted on 10/22/2006 6:35:07 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s...you weren't really there.)
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To: DarthVader

http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/response.htm


45 posted on 10/22/2006 7:09:01 AM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: Pyro7480
"Last night, the cardinal's views on Islam had stirred up a new controversy, with Muslim leaders furious at the comment. They claimed that as the terrorist attacks were carried out by extremists, mainstream Muslims who had already condemned the actions had nothing to apologise for."

Well, I guess they could at least say, "We're sorry that those who claim to follow Islam have carried out such a heinous crime against humanity."

What irritated the heck out of me after 9-11 was the Muslim community took forever and a day to come out and condemn the attacks. It was only after some media pressure that they did it as I recall.

Good for Cardinal O'Brien! God bless him.

46 posted on 10/22/2006 12:27:26 PM PDT by FJ290
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To: ChildOfThe60s
But..but..Muslims love Barney!!!!

...and so do some-called Christians who want every faith to come together in a kumbaya moment and sing also "We are the World".

47 posted on 10/22/2006 1:56:59 PM PDT by GulfWar1Vet (I will not submit to Islam. Too bad that the Democrats already have. Have you submitted to Islam?)
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To: Pyro7480
O'Brien said: "There have been no apologies for the shooting of the nun [in Somalia after the Pope made his remarks], let alone for 9/11 or the London bombings. I would like to see some reciprocal moves from the Islamic side. We shouldn't have to live in fear of attack from Muslims."

We shouldn't still be waiting for an apology after over 5 years, nor should we have to be asking for it. Any apology that is given because it was asked for is NOT genuine. I appreciate the good cardinal's intentions, but I hope he's not holding his breath over this one.

48 posted on 10/22/2006 5:33:50 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Pyro7480

Very nice. That first picture is so beautiful.


49 posted on 10/23/2006 6:46:38 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Pyro7480
Wooooooooooooooooooooo hooooooooooooooooooooooo.

I knew it!! Or let's say my educated guess was right!!

Reciprocation is the key word for the Catholic Church's comments about Islam. And it's going to snowball from the Catholic Church to other faith-walks. And from there to governments!
50 posted on 10/23/2006 4:36:26 PM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (Mohammed Lied; Jesus Died (For Your Sins) and Rose Again.)
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