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Keepandbear arms.com ^ | ? | Mark A. Taff

Posted on 10/22/2006 5:25:01 AM PDT by sig226

Costco Bans Guns Fellow newslinks editor Bruce Kraft learned the hard way about Costco's gun ban. Below is his story.

Mark A. Taff

. . . We arrived at the registers, and got rung out. I paid, and as we are getting ready to head out, Brian came up and said that "for the comfort and safety" of their employees and guests, he asked that I leave my gun outside.

I said "No problem, sorry if I caused any fuss." I then asked if this was the policy of the Eden Prairie store, or a company-wide policy. He said it was company policy. I asked if I could get some sort of written statement or copy of the policy, because there were 35,000 permit holders in the state of Minnesota alone who were going to want to know about it.

Oh, and since they didn't want me in their store could they please return my groceries. Brian said "Oh, no, your perfectly welcome to shop here, we just" at which point I cut him off saying "You just asked me to leave, so obviously I am *not* welcome here, and neither is my money." (I have played out scenarios like this in my mind for several years, it was gratifying that he kept giving me all the right straight lines).

(snip)

Bruce continues:

"BTW, their letter is misleading, I never raised the issue of civil rights, because I firmly believe that companies have every right to ban whomever they please, I just think it is not fair for them to hide the fact."

You can read a pdf of the letter Costco sent to Bruce.

Call Costco at 1-800-774-2678 and give them your feedback on their gun ban policy.

(Excerpt) Read more at keepandbeararms.com ...


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I put this under miscelleaneous and news/current events because I wasn't sure where else to put it. As far as I know, it is a recent incident. Freepers can see from the article that Costco welcomes their feedback. Enjoy.
1 posted on 10/22/2006 5:25:01 AM PDT by sig226
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To: sig226

bump


2 posted on 10/22/2006 5:33:17 AM PDT by ukie55
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To: sig226

I have never done business with Costco. Now I never will!

LLS


3 posted on 10/22/2006 5:34:17 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: sig226

This is a batle that wasn't worth fighting. By demanding that his groceries be returned to the shelves, this happy gun toting guy gained nothing and gave the image that all gun owners could be as anxious for an argment as he is.

If Mr. Gun Toter can't shop at Costco now, it is his loss, not Costco's ...


4 posted on 10/22/2006 5:34:37 AM PDT by svxdave (Life is too short to wear a fake Rolex.)
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To: sig226
"Freepers can see from the article that Costco welcomes their feedback. Enjoy."

Whaddaya expect?? Costco is a completely liberal enterprise, and supports all the leftist/union agendas. And yet people here at FR bitch and moan about Wal-Mart, which mostly does not.

5 posted on 10/22/2006 5:36:44 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: sig226

Well, then don't shop at Costco and the problem is solved. The checkout lines are too long already.


6 posted on 10/22/2006 5:37:14 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: sig226
Is this a CCW?

How did they know he was armed?

7 posted on 10/22/2006 5:38:14 AM PDT by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Whaddaya expect?? Costco is a completely liberal enterprise, and supports all the leftist/union agendas. And yet people here at FR bitch and moan about Wal-Mart, which mostly does not.

OK, have him try this at Sam's Club and see what happens. If they have no problems with it then you've got a case.

8 posted on 10/22/2006 5:38:31 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: svxdave
The same folks who insist on "no guns" in their stores probably have Wellstone signs in their yards.
9 posted on 10/22/2006 5:39:32 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: sig226

At our Costco stores, there is a sign before one enters which says no firearms allowed.


10 posted on 10/22/2006 5:40:31 AM PDT by hsmomx3 (Steelers in '07--Go BIG BEN!!!)
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To: sig226

Bogus BS.


11 posted on 10/22/2006 5:40:34 AM PDT by evad
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To: Wonder Warthog

I do not like Sam's Club or Wal-mart for meat products. They always look like they are days old.

I have to tell you that Costco has the best meats and best bakery items of any store where I live.


12 posted on 10/22/2006 5:41:50 AM PDT by hsmomx3 (Steelers in '07--Go BIG BEN!!!)
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To: Rome2000
How did they know he was armed?

Obviously it wasn't that concealed.

13 posted on 10/22/2006 5:43:13 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: svxdave; Non-Sequitur

All this guy did was post an item so that we could be more fully informed of a company's policy so that we could decide if we wished to do business there. If this is not of interest to you then simply 'move along', there is no need to attack the message bearer


14 posted on 10/22/2006 5:45:31 AM PDT by Hazcat (Live to party, work to afford it.)
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To: svxdave

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If Mr. Gun Toter can't shop at Costco now, it is his loss, not Costco's"

Actually its Costco's. Costco is there to sell their products to people like him and I.

Their service sucks, their stores are ugly, and their prices are higher than regular stores.

On top of all this they make deals with local governments to acquire land through forced sale of private property. One example is a city refused a church a building permit. Bought the land for under market cost, and then sold it to Costco for $1. Their goal was the increased taxes.


15 posted on 10/22/2006 5:45:47 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: Non-Sequitur
Well, then don't shop at Costco and the problem is solved. The checkout lines are too long already.

They are so busy, nobody goes there anymore.

16 posted on 10/22/2006 5:45:51 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: sig226

Kind of a confusing story. The guy was already rung up and heading out the door and then got asked to leave his gun outside? Seems to me that's exactly what he was doing anyway, leaving the store. The time to check your guns at the door would be before you enter.

I'm guessing he was CC but his concealment wasn't so good. Some places you can be fined for openly displaying a gun, even if your intent was to wear it concealed.


17 posted on 10/22/2006 5:49:28 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Why? If Costco doesn't want guns in their stores it's their business. I've seen many a freeper bitch and moan about the nonsmoking laws in restaurants and the rallying cry that the restaurant is a private business and no one has the right to tell them how to run it.

Don't see how this is any different. If the guy doesn't like it maybe he should try to buy a ton of voting stock and change the rules. Other than that the guy sounds like a friggin liberal troublemaker.


18 posted on 10/22/2006 5:49:30 AM PDT by JNL
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To: sig226

I like shopping at Costco and they dont know I have a gun when I go there :o)


19 posted on 10/22/2006 5:49:32 AM PDT by ezoeni
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To: driftdiver

We have found their prices to be much lower than the local stores. Then again, it does depend what you are looking for but overall, they are much cheaper and better quality, too.

Maybe it depends on where one lives as the customer service has been decent.

Yes, they are crowded but the lines move along rather fast.


20 posted on 10/22/2006 5:49:48 AM PDT by hsmomx3 (Steelers in '07--Go BIG BEN!!!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
The same folks who insist on "no guns" in their stores probably have Wellstone signs in their yards.

They still do believe it or not however as with their bumper stickers, the green on the sign is fading.

21 posted on 10/22/2006 5:50:05 AM PDT by EGPWS (Lord help me be the conservative liberals fear I am.)
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To: Rome2000
Is this a CCW? How did they know he was armed?

That's what I'd like to know.

22 posted on 10/22/2006 5:53:37 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: sig226

Since Costco has a reputation for treating their employees well, I would still shop there in spite of their CCW policy.


23 posted on 10/22/2006 5:55:08 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: hsmomx3

"We have found their prices to be much lower than the local stores. Then again, it does depend what you are looking for but overall, they are much cheaper and better quality, too."

Check out the unit prices. Some things are lower but some things are higher. Studies in the retail world have found that people spend between 10-20% more money in Costco and Sam than they do at regualr stores.


24 posted on 10/22/2006 5:56:56 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: svxdave
By demanding that his groceries be returned to the shelves, this happy gun toting guy gained nothing and gave the image that all gun owners could be as anxious for an argment as he is.

Oh, the hell he did.

If Mr. Gun Toter

Your ignorance comes shining through..well done!

25 posted on 10/22/2006 5:58:06 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: sig226
Brian came up and said that "for the comfort and safety" of their employees and guests, he asked that I leave my gun outside.

A sane, sober, law abiding citizen with a carry permit has to leave his gun outside in his car where it can be stolen by an insane, drug addicted, criminal. Now just how is this supposed to make me feel safer?

26 posted on 10/22/2006 5:58:21 AM PDT by armymarinedad (Support, v., To take the side of; to uphold or help.)
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To: svxdave
I agree that Costco has the right to make rules concerning the conduct of customers on their premises, but it is also the right, and the responsibility, of citizens to inform management when a company's policy is wrong.

I hope you will reread the entire article and contact Costco. Their policy informs any half wit bank robber that Costco is a place where the bad guys can do as they please. A robber will not stop at the door because a sign says, "No Handguns Allowed." While Costco may not give a whit about the lives of its employees, the customers who have undergone the process to obtain a concealed weapon permit ought to be able to protect themselves from an armed attack while shopping there. Saying nothing will never change their policy, nor will it change the attitude of antigunners who think gun - free zones are a good idea.

27 posted on 10/22/2006 6:00:23 AM PDT by sig226 (There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who do not.)
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To: driftdiver

What I do is buy what I need and yes, I do compare vs. what I would spend at our local grocer.

On occasion, I will buy the Philly Crm. Cheese from Costco which is $5.45 for three/four pounds. In the stores, an 8 oz. chunk is almost $2.50!!! Milk at Costco and eggs most definitely is cheaper than our local grocers.

I don't usually buy my non-food items from Costco as I have found them cheaper at Wal-mart of Target.


28 posted on 10/22/2006 6:01:58 AM PDT by hsmomx3 (Steelers in '07--Go BIG BEN!!!)
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To: sig226

Could someone explain why a person would feel the need to carry a concealed weapon into a Costco store?


29 posted on 10/22/2006 6:02:10 AM PDT by Air Force Brat
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To: sig226
I agree that Costco has the right to make rules concerning the conduct of customers on their premises, but it is also the right, and the responsibility, of citizens to inform management when a company's policy is wrong.

You may disagree with Costco's policy, and you're free to tell them that. But it isn't your place to tell them their policy is wrong. That policy is legal under Minnesota law.

30 posted on 10/22/2006 6:04:00 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: driftdiver

I like Costco. Their prices in Tucson are quite competitive, their meat much better than what I've found in other stores, and the employees are polite.

It is a private business, and if they choose to ban carrying guns inside...I don't particularly mind. It is regretable, but not worth getting excited about.


31 posted on 10/22/2006 6:05:17 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I'm agnostic on evolution, but sit ups are from Hell!)
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To: Puppage

Did you read the article. The guy states that he had gone through this scenario in his mind numerous times. The guy was itching for a showdown. Personally the guy sounds like an idiot.

Oh and did you read the part where he brags about the size of his chest. The guy needs to get over himself.


32 posted on 10/22/2006 6:05:33 AM PDT by JNL
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To: Air Force Brat
Could someone explain why a person would feel the need to carry a concealed weapon into a Costco store?

Beats me. Now Sam's Club I can understand, considering the people they employee. There you need a stake, garlic, and make sure your firearm has a silver bullet.

33 posted on 10/22/2006 6:06:07 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Air Force Brat
Because if there was a way to predict where an armed attack would occur, there would be no need for carry permits and there would be no armed robberies. You could simply not go there.

Since the bad guys choose the place where they strike, you need to have your sidearm with you wherever you go. Lots of businesses in 'nice' neighborhoods get robbed. Some of the innocents get killed during the robberies. I prefer not to be one of them.

May I suggest Daveloneranger's armed citizen ping list? You'd be surprised.

34 posted on 10/22/2006 6:06:51 AM PDT by sig226 (There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who do not.)
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To: EGPWS

Last time I was in Prior Lake this past summer, the neighborhood crazy lady had her Wellstone sign still out, wrapped in heavy clear plastic. Guess Paul would've wanted it that way, eh ?


35 posted on 10/22/2006 6:07:38 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

I never siad it was illegal, I said it was wrong. Big difference.


36 posted on 10/22/2006 6:07:53 AM PDT by sig226 (There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who do not.)
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To: sig226
I never siad it was illegal, I said it was wrong. Big difference.

You said it was wrong, not that you disagree with it. Also a big difference. Costco sets it's own policy, and it's up to them to decide the right and wrong of it. Not you and not me.

37 posted on 10/22/2006 6:09:43 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: saganite

It is also possible that this guy wanted to make a fuss. He could have informed the person at the door that he was carrying...


38 posted on 10/22/2006 6:10:13 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (Stupidity can be a self-correcting problem.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Last time I was in Prior Lake this past summer, the neighborhood crazy lady had her Wellstone sign still out, wrapped in heavy clear plastic. Guess Paul would've wanted it that way, eh ?

Perhaps she's convinced of a landslide victory for Wellstone in '08 and wants to be a member of the winning party?

One has to commend her on her frugal attempts at conservation by reusing the same sign...

39 posted on 10/22/2006 6:13:30 AM PDT by EGPWS (Lord help me be the conservative liberals fear I am.)
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To: ezoeni
"I like shopping at Costco and they dont know I have a gun when I go there :o)"

In Texas, that's why its called 'concealed carry'...duhhhh

I'm carrying when I feel the need, and I'm shopping where I choose too, but if my shopping location is signed (no 'concealed carry'), I'm shopping at my own risk.

40 posted on 10/22/2006 6:13:32 AM PDT by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: sig226

I usta shop Costco regularly and NEVER saw the three feet by four feet signs required by South Caolina's SECTION 23-31-235. Sign requirements.

(A) Notwithstanding any other provision of this article, any requirement of or allowance for the posting of signs prohibiting the carrying of a concealable weapon upon any premises shall only be satisfied by a sign expressing the prohibition in both written language interdict and universal sign language.

(B) All signs must be posted at each entrance into a building where a concealable weapon permit holder is prohibited from carrying a concealable weapon and must be:

(1) clearly visible from outside the building;

(2) eight inches wide by twelve inches tall in size;

(3) contain the words "NO CONCEALABLE WEAPONS ALLOWED" in black one-inch tall uppercase type at the bottom of the sign and centered between the lateral edges of the sign;

(4) contain a black silhouette of a handgun inside a circle seven inches in diameter with a diagonal line that runs from the lower left to the upper right at a forty-five degree angle from the horizontal;

(5) a diameter of a circle; and

(6) placed not less than forty inches and not more than sixty inches from the bottom of the building's entrance door.

(C) If the premises where concealable weapons are prohibited does not have doors, then the signs contained in subsection (A) must be:

(1) thirty-six inches wide by forty-eight inches tall in size;

(2) contain the words "NO CONCEALABLE WEAPONS ALLOWED" in black three- inch tall uppercase type at the bottom of the sign and centered between the lateral edges of the sign;

(3) contain a black silhouette of a handgun inside a circle thirty-four inches in diameter with a diagonal line that is two inches wide and runs from the lower left to the upper right at a forty-five degree angle from the horizontal and must be a diameter of a circle whose circumference is two inches wide;

(4) placed not less than forty inches and not more than ninety-six inches above the ground;

(5) posted in sufficient quantities to be clearly visible from any point of entry onto the premises.


41 posted on 10/22/2006 6:14:36 AM PDT by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Could someone explain why a person would feel the need to carry a concealed weapon into a Costco store?

Why don't you explain why you put a seatbelt on when you get in your car?

42 posted on 10/22/2006 6:16:42 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: dhuffman@awod.com
I usta shop Costco regularly and NEVER saw the three feet by four feet signs required by South Caolina's SECTION 23-31-235. Sign requirements

Minnesota's law doesn't have a sign requirement. You can carry into the store unless a sign is posted saying otherwise or unless the store staff ask you to leave.

43 posted on 10/22/2006 6:17:20 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: sig226

Well, I suppose so, but statistically the chances of that are so small it seems ridiculous to me.

It is entirely within Costco's rights to ban guns, or smoking, or any other activity within their stores. Customers can choose to patronize them or not in response to their policy.

It sounds as if this individual has made his choice, as is his right.


44 posted on 10/22/2006 6:19:35 AM PDT by Air Force Brat
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To: Puppage
Why don't you explain why you put a seatbelt on when you get in your car?

I put on a seatbelt on because otherwise the car dings at me while I drive.

Now, ask Air Force Brat that. It was their question to begin with.

46 posted on 10/22/2006 6:20:14 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

My point, if it's corporate policy then SC's stores are behind the times. I think they pander too vigorously to be legal.

Good people should be armed where they will with wits and guns.


47 posted on 10/22/2006 6:20:43 AM PDT by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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To: Air Force Brat

Where do you think one should be carried?


48 posted on 10/22/2006 6:21:01 AM PDT by em2vn
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To: Non-Sequitur
I put on a seatbelt on because otherwise the car dings at me while I drive.

LOL.Now, THAT'S funny.

49 posted on 10/22/2006 6:21:46 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Air Force Brat
Could someone explain why a person would feel the need to carry a concealed weapon into a Costco store?

UHHHH, so that they have it if they need it. We that carry do so with the hope that the gun is never needed but that if it is, we don't want to say, "Oh crap, my gun is in my car. Please mister bad guy, I call time out so that I can go up to my car and retrieve my gun. I never thought that a robber/killer would come into a store where it is clearly posted that no guns are allowed." Does that help answer your question?

50 posted on 10/22/2006 6:22:20 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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