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L.A. County union workers win largest pay increase in decades (15.5% pay increse & health benefits)
Daily Bulletin ^ | 10/22/06 | Troy Anderson

Posted on 10/22/2006 8:56:46 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

The Board of Supervisors and Los Angeles County's largest union have reached a contract deal that will give more than 50,000 workers the largest salary and merit increases in decades, officials said Friday.

The tentative three-year contract, which must be approved by the supervisors and ratified by members of Service Employees International Union, Local 660, would give most union members raises totaling up to 15.5 percent.

The contract also calls for a 10 percent increase in the county's contribution to employee health plans and a benefit that would require the county to pay $75 to $375 a month to help employees pay for child care.

The contract would boost some workers' pay as much as 30 percent and union officials hailed the deal as key to helping the county retain and hire more nurses and help lift workers who now qualify for food stamps out of poverty.

"I think it's a very good settlement for everyone concerned," Supervisor Zev Yaroslavsky said Friday. "The SEIU led the way three years ago when they took a 5 percent pay raise for three years. They made a huge sacrifice in the interest of the county when we needed help - when we were faced with the state ripping off our property tax dollars, when we were still in a recessionary period and when our revenues were in jeopardy. They took a courageous step and were criticized by the labor movement for doing it.

"We believe this is sustainable. We've tried to zero it in to give an extra boost to people at the lower end of the income spectrum. A lot are making $25,000 to $30,000 a year, which for a family of four is poverty wages in L.A. And we've tried to sweeten the pot by offering incentives for child care, which is a very major economic concern for people with kids who want to work."

Chief Administrative Officer David Janssen wouldn't say how much the total package would cost until its ratified. But Janssen said the county can afford it because of rising property tax collections and the recent passage of a measure that prevents the state from raiding local coffers.

The tentative contract follows months of protests by SEIU members who said it has become so expensive to live in Southern California that many county workers now qualify for food stamps.

While thousands of county employees make more than $100,000 a year, about 3,000 clerks, nursing attendants, cooks, custodians and laundry workers make less than $30,000 a year and qualify for welfare benefits.

Since 1993, SEIU members wages have been frozen several times to avoid layoffs during county government fiscal crises. In the past three years, SEIU members received 5 percent in raises while the cost of living rose 11 percent.

Earlier this year, the county reached an agreement with the sheriff's unions to give them up to 18.5 percent in pay raises and other benefits through the next three years in an effort to help recruit deputies.

Under the SEIU contract, nurses in particular would benefit.

"I know the nurses are getting 18 to 30 percent increases," said SEIU spokesman Mark Tarnawsky. "What they negotiated was a series of step increases. The pay was so low before that the county couldn't even hire nurses."

Under the deal, starting salaries for nurses will be $61,644 a year, Janssen said.

"I'm glad to hear this," Supervisor Don Knabe said. "The nurses have been a concern of mine for quite awhile. We are in a very difficult situation from a competitive standpoint. Even with this significant increase they have agreed to, there are a lot of things private hospitals are offering nurses, from closing costs on homes to you name it."

Late last year, county nurses said public hospitals lacked 900 nurses to meet safe staffing levels and stressed that the situation was endangering patients' lives. They urged the county to raise nurse salaries to help retain and hire more nurses.

"Nurses are at a premium because of state standards for staffing ratios and the shortage of nurses," Janssen said. "The county, as long as we operate hospitals and clinics, will have to have nurses. And we now spend about $100 million a year on nurse registries. So it's cheaper for us to hire nurses."

Under the contract, workers would get two 2.75 percent half-step increases in 2007 and 2008, and a 4 percent raise retroactive to Oct. 1, according to details on the union's Web site. Workers also would get a 3 percent raise on Jan. 1, 2008, and another 3 percent raise on Jan. 1, 2009.

Tarnawsky said the child-care benefit is a significant gain.

"That's a tremendous thing for our members, lots of whom are single moms with kids who struggle exactly with this problem," Tarnawsky said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; losangeles; seiu; unionworkers

1 posted on 10/22/2006 8:56:48 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Are these the kinds of increases YOU are getting in YOUR position in the PRIVATE sector?

The tentative three-year contract, which must be approved by the supervisors and ratified by members of Service Employees International Union, Local 660, would give most union members raises totaling up to 15.5 percent.

The contract also calls for a 10 percent increase in the county's contribution to employee health plans and a benefit that would require the county to pay $75 to $375 a month to help employees pay for child care.

The contract would boost some workers' pay as much as 30 percent and union officials hailed the deal as key to helping the county retain and hire more nurses and help lift workers who now qualify for food stamps out of poverty.


2 posted on 10/22/2006 8:58:05 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: NormsRevenge

This is the Fantasy half of the equation/ingredients that make Liberals.
Was the question ever raised--Where is the money coming from?
Of course, the answer is THE TAXPAYERS.
Was the idea that ILLEGAL ALIENS do not pay taxes, and that Illegal aliens are a considerable fraction of L A's Population ever mentioned?

So, in their mind, you just award a wage, and there is this well that never goes dry and has unlimited capacity where officials can draw from for wages.

NO wonder 25% of of Los Angeles hs moved to another State


3 posted on 10/22/2006 9:06:15 AM PDT by radar101 (LIBERALS = Hypocrisy and Fantasy)
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To: NormsRevenge

In a few years, you will have to choose which Civil War you want to start first, the one between the legal Americans and the illegal invading aliens, or the one between the private sector which is getting their salary cut or getting laid off, losing their retirement and health care, and watching their taxes, local, state and federal, go out of sight, and the public sector employees who are getting fat raises and cost-of-living adjustments, better health care for life, and cushy retirements, all paid for by those luckless private sector losers.

And the Republicans and Democrats just don't give a damn.


4 posted on 10/22/2006 9:12:19 AM PDT by oldbill
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To: NormsRevenge
An across the board 15% merit increase. That's an interesting concept.
5 posted on 10/22/2006 9:15:23 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Dancing through life like a street mime with tourettes syndrome.)
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To: nmh

$375 a month for CHILD CARE? Don't have them if you can't afford them.

That is unsustainable. SOMEONE is going to have to pay for this, Guess who? You can bet rich Liberals will protect their tax loopholes.
What's laughable is that the very people "celebrating" and anticipating these lovely wage increases won't be so happy when they realize they won't see any of it. They will be taxed away.
Democrats will never learn that this kind of sillyness is inflationary. The only way to raise the standard of living is to lower it's costs, rather than to keep asking for more money, which in turn comes from increased taxes, raising the cost of living. An endless cycle which began when nanny state idealists began raising taxes to pay for the government institutions which eat up most of the money and help no-one.


6 posted on 10/22/2006 9:17:24 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary (Bukhari:V1B1N6 “Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country.”)
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To: NormsRevenge

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship." - Alexander Tyler


7 posted on 10/22/2006 9:17:52 AM PDT by TeenagedConservative
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To: TeenagedConservative

amen


democracy in america...de toqueville (?) to paraphrase, america will cease to be a great power when her people begin to vote for themselves government largesse.

'the truth is out there"


8 posted on 10/22/2006 9:24:12 AM PDT by ripley
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To: TeenagedConservative

Exactly why we have a constitutional Republic. The only thing democratic is the election process.
Private enterprise is supposed to provide the needs of the people. Government was never supposed to get into private business, just handle the nations business and national security.

I can see what the next demand is from this particular articel. Daycare space. They will be screaming that there aren't any government run daycares to begin early socialist indoctrination.
Then they will be demanding more money because $375 a month isn't enough to pay for expensive, government run daycare.


9 posted on 10/22/2006 9:32:19 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary (Bukhari:V1B1N6 “Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country.”)
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To: nmh

After taxes, I got $8.50 a week. It could have been worse, 25% of the staff got laid off.

This is just another example of government workers living in a fantasy world.

The contract is nothing but a payoff to get them to vote for Angelides for governor.


10 posted on 10/22/2006 9:35:34 AM PDT by MediaMole (9/11 - We have already forgotten.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Simply breathing is merit enough for the bureaucrats.

I have to deal with county bureaucrats often, and I can say, I have never seen such an inefficient, wasteful organization in my lifetime.

As an example, almost 300 new cel phones were stolen from the water department. They did not report the phones stolen to the cel phone carriers, and paid the bills on each of those phones for 2 years.


11 posted on 10/22/2006 9:35:50 AM PDT by ivy (Ivy's ex bf)
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To: radar101
There was a philosopher, can't remember who he was, that said the average life of a democracy because once the population realized it could vote itself vast sums of money from the Nations Treasury, that nation was doomed to economic collapse.

Well, we are a representative republic, but I think it applies. And I also think we are starting to see it happening. This deal, politicians giving themselves raises, and people voting for politicians and issues that give them more entitlements.

I hope I am wrong but if things do not change this nation will eventually hit an economic wall.
12 posted on 10/22/2006 9:39:29 AM PDT by MPJackal ("If you are not with us, you are against us.")
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To: MPJackal

Avg life is 200 years. oops.


13 posted on 10/22/2006 9:40:24 AM PDT by MPJackal ("If you are not with us, you are against us.")
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To: MediaMole
"The contract is nothing but a payoff to get them to vote for Angelides for governor."

No doubt. But no worries. They'll raise the money to pay for this. SIN taxes are always popular and easy to sneak in budgets. Booze, cigarette and gas taxes, licence fee increases, and other regalatory fees are always a handy tool that makes it appear that general tax increases are being held down, but these back door taxes can add a lot to the general revenue cookie jar.

14 posted on 10/22/2006 9:44:11 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary (Bukhari:V1B1N6 “Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country.”)
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To: NormsRevenge

Why does the county hire nurses?


15 posted on 10/22/2006 9:45:39 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (In God we trust. All others we monitor.)
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To: MPJackal; NormsRevenge
Here is one author's take on the quote concerning democracy and spending.
16 posted on 10/22/2006 9:46:47 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: ripley

See post#16.


17 posted on 10/22/2006 9:48:03 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Medicaid, county run nursing homes, schools, public health services.


18 posted on 10/22/2006 9:48:27 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary (Bukhari:V1B1N6 “Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country.”)
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To: Old Professer

ref. voting oneself government largesse....

think it was de toqueville in "Democracy in America"

a number of the founding fathers might have said the same....not sure.....one might check the federalist papers.


thanks for your post. going to make me read some more.


19 posted on 10/22/2006 10:17:23 AM PDT by ripley
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To: NormsRevenge
"We believe this is sustainable."

We believe in the union, the worker almighty, creator of overtime wages and more ..

and to the contract for which it exists, unbroken, till we decide to .. screw you, and to you and to it.

Yep .. it's a religion .. services once a month at the hall or bar .. bring your tithe.

20 posted on 10/22/2006 10:22:25 AM PDT by knarf (Islamists kill each other ... News wall-to-wall, 24/7 .. don't touch that dial.)
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To: NormsRevenge

This is exactly why I hate unions.

They are greedy and after they manage to intimidate the city or other employers into giving them what they want .. it ends up bankrupting the company or the city.

Good going unions .. you must be proud .. you gained all these wages and when the city runs out of money and starts laying off all those employees - ARE YOU GOING TO PICK UP THE TAB AND KEEP PAYING THEM ..??

This is the very reason the car mfgs went bankrupt - they couldn't continue paying these outrages wages and benefits.

A company goes into business to make a profit - SO THEY CAN EXPAND THEIR BUSINESS - when all the profits are eaten up by wages and benefits - THERE IS NO EXPANSION - there is only downsizing and loss of jobs.

How come people don't get this ..??


21 posted on 10/22/2006 11:11:05 AM PDT by CyberAnt (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: NormsRevenge

California is an expensive place to live. Wages need to be much higher just to survive there. Even a nurse starting at over $60K would not have enough income to buy a modest house! How can one state have such a huge economic disconnect from the rest of the country? $30K per year is below the poverty level? Good Grief!


22 posted on 10/22/2006 11:18:09 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: NormsRevenge

The $75-$375/month child care credit is uncalled for, and unfair to the employees that don't use it. 10% increase in health care contribution doesn't tell us anything, since we don't know what the county contributes now.

If the employees recieved 5% total increase over the last three years, and are going to receive 15.5% over the next three, that equals 20.5% over six years. That's a bit over 3.4% per year. How much more, if any, is that than the increase in the cost of living?


23 posted on 10/22/2006 1:13:33 PM PDT by pelicandriver
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To: Nathan Zachary

Agree with ya!


24 posted on 10/22/2006 2:47:03 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: NormsRevenge
15%? Good grief!

Well at least Arnold *tried* to loosen the death grip the public employee unions had last year but the voters didn't turn out for him.

25 posted on 10/22/2006 3:20:38 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Arnold-McClintock-YES 85 Parents Notified-YES 90 Eminent Domain-SanDiego:NO A,YES B & C)
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To: NormsRevenge
"We believe this is sustainable..."

Isn't that what GM said back in the 80's?

26 posted on 10/22/2006 3:28:08 PM PDT by SMM48
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To: NormsRevenge
They had to accept wage freezes and watching the buying power of their money get eaten away by inflation. Considering the price of home, gas food and utilities - people making the median income in California do qualify for food stamps. If we want the best people to keep working for government in Los Angeles County, they have to be paid what they are worth.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

27 posted on 10/22/2006 4:23:50 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: NormsRevenge

LOL!


28 posted on 10/22/2006 4:26:21 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: doc30
Yes, here it is. In the rest of the country 30K a year would be a decent income. Not in California. One can burn through that money in a year.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

29 posted on 10/22/2006 4:26:32 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: nmh

The only people who will be able to afford to live in Southern California - from San Diego to LA - will be State workers. And I'm not trying to be funny.


30 posted on 10/22/2006 4:27:50 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: pelicandriver
We're not talking about MANAGEMENT. Very few county workers earn $100,000 or more per year. Most of them - cops, mechanics, maintenance staff, medical personnel and social workers are just middle class folks who struggle to get by. They aren't made of money. For the last decade, they accepted wage freezes and benefit cuts and the value of what they made was eaten away by inflation. The money they get in the new contract will barely begin to make them whole. And they do work hard to serve the public.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

31 posted on 10/22/2006 4:30:40 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: NormsRevenge
A lot are making $25,000 to $30,000 a year, which for a family of four is poverty wages

Just a mind boggling wow!!!

Those kinds of wages in Honduras will pay for a house, full maid service and a full time grounds keeper with plenty of cash left over........

Poverty my ass..........Sounds like the city officials just bought themselves another 4 years of office at tax payers expense....LOL!!!

32 posted on 10/22/2006 4:31:20 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Cure for liberal stupidity: Louisville Slugger, apply directly to the forehead!)
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To: Hildy
No - the only people who could afford to live here are the ulra-rich. I live in a $500,000 starter home and I have few takers for it. Even with incentives, its daunting to get people into that kind of home here and I live in a middle class suburb. Not to loong ago, only the Rich & Famous mansions commanded that kind of price tag. A lifetime ago.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

33 posted on 10/22/2006 4:33:52 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: NormsRevenge
The Board of Supervisors and Los Angeles County's largest union have reached a contract deal that will give more than 50,000 workers the largest salary and merit increases in decades

Real easy to give these big boondoggle pay days when it comes out of the public treasury. Unions do NOT belong in government.

If this was the private sector without a bottomless wallet they would be forcing the business to close it's doors.

34 posted on 10/22/2006 4:35:16 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Hot Tabasco
The median state income is $34,000K a year. The median home price in California is $550,000K. Do the math.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

35 posted on 10/22/2006 4:35:52 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: NormsRevenge
DEMOCRATS? (Eddie Murphy laugh)....
Is Mexicrats a word?.... LoL...
36 posted on 10/22/2006 4:40:55 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole.)
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To: nmh

Everything in California is so deeply disconnected from reality that I really cannot evaluate the wisdom of this contract. Given the ridiculous housing prices, desperate overcrowding of decaying infrastructure, escalated cost of living, excessive taxation, and paucity of common sense, you couldn't get me to consider moving to most of California even if you offered to quadruple my income. Perhaps southern California now experiences inflation (5% per year--this is a three-year contract) to a degree virtually absent in the remainder of the country. I'd say that the county's still ripping off its workforce--but then again, if I lived in California as a pauper, I would have joined the millions of American conservatives fleeing the state.


37 posted on 10/22/2006 4:44:08 PM PDT by dufekin (The New York Times: an enemy espionage agency with a newsletter of enemy propaganda)
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To: dufekin
As soon as my home is sold, I'm fleeing California and never looking back. Its gotten absurd here. I might stay if someone offered me a ten figure salary - otherwise fudgitaboutit.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

38 posted on 10/22/2006 4:47:01 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
Do the math.

Don't have to, do the move......

39 posted on 10/22/2006 5:03:54 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Cure for liberal stupidity: Louisville Slugger, apply directly to the forehead!)
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To: goldstategop
Amen. I did the same thing eighteen months ago. Sold the house, And drove across the country with my wife and two cats. No jobs lined up, didn't know anyone in the area, not even a place to live. We ended up north of Raleigh, NC and absolutely LOVE it here!
40 posted on 10/22/2006 5:15:15 PM PDT by The Chid
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To: pelicandriver

How much more, if any, is that than the increase in the cost of living?

Keep in mind there are MANY more benefits that most California city and county employees get. One of them is a very liberal retirement system. Some can retire at 50 with 3/4 pay and healthcare for life which includes drug benefits. Many have very liberal work rules, flex days off, accumulated vacation, sick and flex days so that a good worker could retire and be paid the equiv. of a year or more in pay. They can't be fired, it's hard to even discipline them and workers comp fraud runs rampant in the state.


41 posted on 10/22/2006 6:42:09 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: NormsRevenge
A man who REALLY knew how to deal with unions:


42 posted on 10/22/2006 6:44:05 PM PDT by Clemenza (I have such a raging clue!)
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To: goldstategop

The median state income is $34,000K a year.

It would be difficult to find a single county worker anywhere in California who makes less than $34,000 per year.
I think it'd be difficult to find any country worker in the entire state making less than $40,000 per year.

Show me and I'll believe it. I live in California, know many clerk level city and state workers and ALL of them make $50,000 or more plus plus plus benefits, retirement, health etc. Please stop this "poor county worker" routine on me.


43 posted on 10/22/2006 6:48:26 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: TeenagedConservative
Man you got that right. Tyler's words are so true.
But it's all good. The feces is going to hit the fan anyway.
44 posted on 10/22/2006 6:51:28 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: dufekin
New Jersey is getting just as bad. We have a 7% sales tax and the clown wants to raise it to 8% next year. He's waffling alittle on that one ... he'd rather have the counties do the taxing and not him to pay for state benefits and over priced, lazy state workers and all the "social services". It's sickening.
45 posted on 10/22/2006 8:20:47 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: Nathan Zachary
Medicaid, county run nursing homes, schools, public health services

Besides Medicaid, I'd honestly have to check to see if we have any of the others. I know we don't have school nurses.

46 posted on 10/23/2006 10:58:50 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (In God we trust. All others we monitor.)
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