Skip to comments.Where have all the black soldiers gone? African-Americans not in Eastwood's new WWII film
Posted on 10/22/2006 2:41:18 PM PDT by EveningStar
On February 19 1945 Thomas McPhatter found himself on a landing craft heading toward the beach on Iwo Jima...
Sadly, Sgt McPhatter's experience is not mirrored in Flags of Our Fathers, Clint Eastwood's big-budget, Oscar-tipped film of the battle for the Japanese island that opened on Friday in the US. While the film's battle scenes show scores of young soldiers in combat, none of them are African-American. Yet almost 900 African-American troops took part in the battle of Iwo Jima, including Sgt McPhatter...
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It would be really funny if Clint Eastwood and the leftist jerk he hired to write the script did a really slimy left-wing hit job on one of our most precious national icons, the flag-raising at Iwo Jima and the courage and sacrifice it represents, and then all the leftists jump on him because he forgot to include pictures of the black troops.
The more I hear about this movie, the less I am inclined to go see it.
The current generation(s) (other than history buffs), has no interest in war movies, especially WWII films (Saving Private Ryan being the last hurrah for this genre), no matter how patriotic. This is why this film is tanking at the box office (and its young people who drive ticket sales).
BTW: Best movies out right now are the Departed and The Last King of Scotland
His last boxing movie was horrible.
And I couldn't stand Mystic River. Ugh.
Unforgiven was OK, but I don't know why he's heralded as a great director. Most of his stuff is liberal schlok IMO.
I was looking forward to The Guardian but it was too full of cookie-cutter stereotypes to be a good flick.
History shows that the armed forces in WWII were segregated and the majority of blacks in that time were not allowed to fight. They were delegated to mess stewards and manual labor units. The armed services were not desegregated until 1946 when Truman did so under executive order. Even then, it took time to complete.
There were about 6 or 7 Black Soldiers or Marines listening to the pre-invasion briefing on the ship scene, but only seen then and no other time.
Is this film good, or is it PC?
In some of the videos of Iwo, some Black soldiers were interviewed. They drove the DUKW, the transport.
Race, what did you think of the film?
The film was certainly not pro-Japan as I heard it was earlier, but it seemed to over emphasize the anti AMerican Indian sentiment.
We DID call any Marine who was an Indian, CHIEF, but it was always a nickname of respect, like an unwritten rule, but we never called his women squaw.
I didn't see the movie. I had to abbreviate the title in order to fit it into the field. The full title reads: "Where have all the black soldiers gone? African-Americans written out of Pacific war in Clint Eastwood's new film, veterans say"
900 out of 110,000. Leftist Brits are a crowd of sniveling nitpicking racist Muzzie-appeasing PCers.
Maybe we could round them up and donate them to al-Qaeda for the newest rounds of Internet snuff flicks. I'm sure their PC attitudes would save them from the jihadists...
Have no idea. Have not seen it and don't plan to. Both Richard Roeper (flaming lib) and Michael Medved (conservative) have given it high marks. Not everyone has.
>History shows that the armed forces in WWII were segregated and the majority of blacks in that time were not allowed to fight.
That's pretty much what my Dad told me. He fought in WWII in Sicily, Italy and France in the 3rd Infantry Division. He earned two bronze stars and several unit citations. He said black soldiers would mock them when they headed out to battle.
Get caught crossing your arms more than once... and someone will call you chief.
Besides, I'm still mad that someone in Hollyweird stuck a token Moor into a perfectly good Robin Hood movie a few years back.
I saw it twice now, wasn't too impressed the first time, but after the second, it was okay.
It moves slow, it is NOT a war movie, it is a story of Doc Bradley mostly and what his experiences were, with a few shots of his son holding the interviews.
I will buy it when it comes out.
It does show Ira Hayes having a breakdown in a fair way.
The action was okay, the language was realistic, not perverse for the sake of swearing all the time like Saving Private Ryan
The flag raising scene was realistic, but they really flubbed the first flag raising and taking down the flag, some pictures show the old flag down just as the new flag went up, but in the movie the old one is carried away first.
The book spoke more of the men who raised the first flag, the movie does show the Marines and Navy reaction to seeing the first flag well, no drama
In fact, I was kind of impressed at how non chalant the flag raisings were caught on screen, not overly dramatized or over acted.
All the conversations of the photographers were right out of their own bios, they got that exact from their memories
You racist! :)
When I was in the service during the Korean War [1950-1952] I never saw an integrated unit, although I had heard that there were a [very] few around.
I have been hearing stuff about it being vaguely alluding to Iraq; did you get that impression?
I plan to see this film. Most of his films are very good. I am sure he meant to pay tribute to our troops, and did NOT mean to neglect black troops.
I like Clint Eastwood as an actor, as a director and as a man.
While he served as Mayor of Carmel, he was considered to be the "conservative."
When they were brought back to the US, they had a meeting with a treasury guy, who explained to them how the public was growing against the war, the US was going broke.
I was wondering how much was true, I never heard any of that, but it is in Bradley's book, too.
No obvious connection to Iraq, just that rambling.
"BTW: Best movies out right now are the Departed and The Last King of Scotland"
What?? No Employee of the Month????? I see an Oscar for Jessica Simpson ;-)
They're just not featured prominently, that's all...
Only time I ever hear of this is from people who weren't alive at the time. The Indian wars ended 50 years earlier. Some Generals such as MacArthur had living memory of the Indian Wars while growing up on a West Texas outpost. Not even MacArthur made any negative mention of Indians in his book "Reminiscences".
I did not read the whole article. I got a little ways into it and got angry at the victicrat BS. I almost posted a graphic of a guy playing a violin in the comments section. I also felt like saying "cry me a river."
It was enormously expensive. The Treasury actually lent out all it's silver to The Manhattan Project.
It sounds like what Glaister is saying is, if you go to the movies to watch the "black soldiers," forget about it.
"almost 900 African-American troops took part in the battle of Iwo Jima, including Sgt McPhatter...
This is the despicable left at their worst."
It's certainly misleading.
From "Black Service Units in the Combat Zone":
In the Iwo Jima landings, beginning on 19 February 1945, the 442d and 592d Port Companies and the 471st, 473d, and 476th Amphibian Truck Companies were assigned to the Garrison Force but attached to the V Amphibious Corps (Marine) for the assault. One port company remained attached to corps; the other went to the 5th Marine Division. One Dukw company was attached to the 13th Marine Regiment, one remained attached to corps, and the third was attached to the 4th Marine Division with the primary mission of hauling ammunition and cargo for the 14th Marine Regiment and evacuating casualties from the beaches. The 592d Port Company, divided into three groups, landed in the fourth wave and began unloading small boats as they arrived on the beach; three of its crane operators went to the 5th Pioneer Battalion where they operated eight-ton cranes on the beach. The Dukw companies, carrying ammunition and supplies between ship and shore and returning to ships with wounded from the beaches, were given full credit by the Marine Corps for their work in the Iwo Jima landings.
Later, after his US return, the fact that he remains poor and dignified is something with all the subtlety of a turn in a punch bowl.
And there is a scene in which as he is tilling a field in the hot sun, a carload of rich lilly-white honkies pile out suddenly and barge in brusquely for a photo with Tonto-the-Hero, whose work is interrupted without warning. And they tip him a nickel, or something before again driving off, just as suddenly...
And the scene is designed to show what meagre gruel his heroism has brought him, and how honkies are insensitive.
AND SORRY, but the movie DOES show black soldiers! It's just that they didn't get suuuuuper PC with the black MIT Ph.D. computer engineer/physicist who sweeps all the Japanese defenders off the rock, that's all.
DO NOT FALL FOR THIS B.S...!!!
What they're pissed about is that the obligatory White Guilt went to a NON-BLACK MINORITY.
Out of how many troops again?
I wish I could say I were making it up..!
Oh! Same thing for Jar-Jar Binks, from the Star Wars series...they said Jar-Jar was stealth black, and that because he was RIDICULOUS, well, that makes all blacks ridiculous...
But then later the gay mafia also had to get their dig in, and claim Jar-Jar had been GAY, and a negative image of gays...
HAHAHAH....! You can't make this stuff up..!
I think the first wave had 30,000 troops and the second landing was around 30 or 40,000 more.
FDR(a LIBERAL DEM) did not let "Black" Americans serve in the frontline is WW II.
Being a natural socialist, FDR also ordered that Japanese-Americans be sent to a rural network of American gulags.
A black African sailor created quite a sensation in Sussex, believe me. Most people in England at that time had never seen a black man.
He also said that some of the truck drivers refused to do their work at Anzio under fire, the CO had to threaten to shoot them on the spot.
Were the black guys actors? I tend to think that only actors would be permitted on the set, as well as various crew. Whether the director decided to eliminate that portion of the film in the editing room, or whether he changed his mind at the last moment before filming I can't say. But if black actors were on the set to be filmed, we can't say that Eastwood didn't have the intention of including them in the film.
My son saw 'Departed' last night and said it was "good".
Believe me, when my son says a movie is "good", it must be a potential Oscar winner for best picture.
LOL. Sort of.
I neither said or implied such a thing. Take your passion elsewhere.
In VN I saw the same sort of stuff.
It was like a mini-war at times at base.
We actually had 3 murders in our compound in Quang Tri
the culprits wern`t Amish
I`m gonna see the movie,had an uncle died at Iwo.
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