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Beer fingerprints to go UK-wide
Register UK ^ | 10/22/06 | Register UK

Posted on 10/22/2006 5:51:55 PM PDT by freedom44

The government is is funding the roll out of fingerprint security at the doors of pubs and clubs in major English cities.

Funding is being offered to councils that want to have their pubs keep a regional black list of known trouble makers. The fingerprint network installed in February by South Somerset District Council in Yeovil drinking holesy is being used as the show case.

"The Home Office have looked at our system and are looking at trials in other towns including Coventry, Hull & Sheffield," said Julia Bradburn, principal licensing manager at South Somerset District Council.

Gwent and Nottingham police have also shown an interest, while Taunton, a town neighbouring Yeovil, is discussing the installation of fingerprint systems in 10 pubs and clubs with the systems supplier CreativeCode.

Bradburn could not say if fingerprint security in Yeovil had displaced crime to neighbouring towns, but she noted that domestic violence had risen in Yeovil. She could not give more details until the publication of national crime statistics to coincide with the anniversary of lax pub licensing laws on 24 November.

She was, however, able to say that alcohol-related crime had reduced by 48 per cent Yeovil between February and September 2006.

The council had assumed it was its duty under the Crime and Disorder Act (1998) to reduce drunken disorder by fingerprinting drinkers in the town centre.

Some licensees were not happy to have their punters fingerprinted, but are all now apparently behind the idea. Not only does the council let them open later if they join the scheme, but the system costs them only £1.50 a day to run.

Oh, and they are also coerced into taking the fingerprint system. New licences stipulate that a landlord who doesn't install fingerprint security and fails to show a "considerable" reduction in alcohol-related violence, will be put on report by the police and have their licences revoked.

Offenders can be banned from one pub or all of them for a specified time - usually a period of months - by a committee of landlords and police called Pub Watch. Their offences are recorded against their names in the fingerprint system. Bradburn noted the system had a "psychological effect" on offenders.

She said there had been only been two "major" instances of alcohol-related crime reported in Yeovil pubs and clubs since February. One was a sexual assault in a club toilet.

The other occurred last Friday when an under-18 Disco at Dukes nightclub got out of hand after the youngsters had obtained some alcohol from elsewhere. A fight between two youngsters escalated into a brawl involving 435 12-16 year olds

A major incident is when 15 police attend the scene, said Bradburn. She was unable to say how many minor incidents there had been but acknowledged that fights were still occurring in the streets of Yeovil.

The Home Office paid for Yeovil's system in full, with £6,000 of Safer, Stronger Communities funding.

Bradburn said the Home Office had paid her scheme a visit and subsequently decided to fund similar systems in Coventry, Hull and Sheffield.

The Home Office distanced itself from the plans. It said it provided funding to Safer, Stronger Communities through the Department for Communities and Local Government's Local Area Agreements. How they spent the money was a local decision, said a HO spokeswoman. ®


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1 posted on 10/22/2006 5:51:56 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: freedom44

Holy s***! This is way too much.


2 posted on 10/22/2006 5:55:37 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: freedom44

One would almost think this was satire, but ...


3 posted on 10/22/2006 5:57:59 PM PDT by TheHound (You would be paranoid too - if everyone was out to get you.)
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To: kinoxi

I feel bad for our friends in Air Strip 1.


4 posted on 10/22/2006 5:58:01 PM PDT by Gradient Vector
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To: kinoxi

So, what will be the crime for falsifying a fingerprint then? You know that will be the next question...


5 posted on 10/22/2006 5:58:45 PM PDT by akorahil (Thank You and God bless all Veterans. Truly, the real heroes.)
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To: freedom44

Shortly, it will be everytime you buy a pint, you give your print. Then when you reach your preapproved limit your are cut off.


6 posted on 10/22/2006 5:58:53 PM PDT by razorback-bert (I met Bill Clinton once but he didnít really talk ó he was hitting on my wife)
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To: freedom44; mhking

Hold muh beer alert!


7 posted on 10/22/2006 5:59:06 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: freedom44

I thought most guys went to bars to fight...


8 posted on 10/22/2006 6:00:00 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: freedom44
Places to visit before I die:
France
Spain
England
9 posted on 10/22/2006 6:00:01 PM PDT by Normal4me
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To: freedom44

And yet many UK Lefties will say George Bush is turning the U.S. into a "facist state."


10 posted on 10/22/2006 6:01:35 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: freedom44
You'd think they would be more concerned with fingerprinting Muslims entering the Mosques than keeping tabs on drunks. The drunks keep the fight to themselves. The Muslims attack others. Can we say Merry Old England anymore?
11 posted on 10/22/2006 6:03:36 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The only good Mullah is a dead Mullah. The only good Mosque is the one that used to be there.)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Hold muh beer alert!

But only with gloves on.

12 posted on 10/22/2006 6:04:43 PM PDT by michigander (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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To: freedom44

Chavs in me Burberry:

http://cecimoz.co.uk/portal.php?page=7


13 posted on 10/22/2006 6:05:32 PM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Gradient Vector

Are you showing doubt to the decisions of MiniPax comrade?


14 posted on 10/22/2006 6:05:45 PM PDT by akorahil (Thank You and God bless all Veterans. Truly, the real heroes.)
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To: kinoxi

Instead of requiring their population to behave better, the British are perfecting cattle herding and culling techniques.


15 posted on 10/22/2006 6:13:08 PM PDT by Chickensoup (If you don't go to the holy war, the holy war will come to you.)
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To: Chickensoup

Well said.


16 posted on 10/22/2006 6:15:37 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: Chickensoup
the British are perfecting cattle herding and culling techniques.

What next?

Shock collars?

17 posted on 10/22/2006 6:17:03 PM PDT by TYVets (God so loved the world he didn't send a committee)
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To: freedom44
Fingerprinting at the pub...48% decrease in alcohol-related crimes...increase in domestic violence.

Next Brit answer: also install fingerprinting machines at house entrances; install security cameras in each house.

Real conclusion: deprive a habitual, mean drunk of his drink, and everyone around him will STILL suffer.
18 posted on 10/22/2006 6:17:21 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: freedom44; inneroutlaw

Coming soon to a place near you.


19 posted on 10/22/2006 6:35:56 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: freedom44

Maybe it's time for a London tea party. This is outrageous. What a bunch of sheep!


20 posted on 10/22/2006 6:41:14 PM PDT by meyer (A vote for amnesty is a vote against America.)
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To: meyer
They need a new Robin Hood to show the Sheriff of Nottingham who is boss.

Sorry I was just watching the BBC Robin Hood.
21 posted on 10/22/2006 6:58:17 PM PDT by Gradient Vector
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To: TYVets

What next?

Shock collars?



No, that would be too violent. They will find some way to wrap their out of control underclass in cotton batting and store them. Of course it won't really work, none of these half baked ideas do. But that wont stop the Brits from continuing their little social experiments.


22 posted on 10/22/2006 7:09:42 PM PDT by Chickensoup (If you don't go to the holy war, the holy war will come to you.)
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To: Chickensoup

Seems the PC police are breeding out any confrontation so their knew EU Sultans will have better sheep.


23 posted on 10/22/2006 7:46:50 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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24 posted on 10/22/2006 7:51:53 PM PDT by knews_hound (Sarcastically blogging since 2004.)
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To: freedom44
Funding is being offered to councils that want to have their pubs keep a regional black list of known trouble makers. The fingerprint network installed in February by South Somerset District Council in Yeovil drinking holesy is being used as the show case.

Wouldn't it be simpler to just have pictures of known troublemakers?

Then again, you get more funding for fingerprinting.

25 posted on 10/22/2006 7:58:11 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: freedom44

Around here, the troublemakers get a beating in the alley. No need for fingerprints.


26 posted on 10/22/2006 8:16:32 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: freedom44; quantim; spinestein; 5Madman2; DTogo; Horatio Gates; Ribeye; decal; B Knotts; doodad; ...
My how the once great nation of Britian has fallen.

When drinking beer is outlawed, only outlaws will have beer.

Of course, as well all know, there is one easy way to ensure you always have beer.

Brew Your Own

Pinging the Homebrewers.  On or off this low volume ping list, let me know.

Honorary Pissant Ping too since it is a beer thread... :)

Cheers,

knewshound

27 posted on 10/23/2006 8:20:34 AM PDT by knews_hound (Sarcastically blogging since 2004.)
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