Skip to comments.Tibetans shot at by Chinese reach India
Posted on 10/23/2006 5:35:24 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick
KATHMANDU - Some 41 Tibetan refugees fired on by Chinese border guards last month as they entered Nepal have been flown to India, an official from the Tibetan Reception Centre in Kathmandu said Saturday.
"The 41 Tibetans refugees who arrived in Kathmandu left for New Delhi on Friday for security reasons," said an official at the Tibetan Reception Centre.
The official did not elaborate.
The Tibetans arrived in Kathmandu earlier this month after Chinese soldiers opened fire on a group of about 70 people, including children, women, monks and nuns, trying to flee into Nepal on September 30.
A nun was killed in the incident according to witnesses and foreign Tibetan groups.
The remaining Tibetans in the group of 70 were believed to have been detained by Chinese border guards. China confirmed the incident took place and said that the border troops were forced to act in self-defense after soldiers found the group trying to escape Tibet and were attacked.
Numerous foreign climbers witnessed the incident including a Romanian climber who filmed footage of a group of unarmed Tibetans being fired on as they tried to run away.
A monk who was part of the group told AFP that the Chinese border guards fired "indiscriminately" at the fleeing Tibetans.
Since 1989 Nepal's official policy has been that Tibetan refugees cannot stay in the country.
Sandwiched between regional giants India and China, Nepal pursues a cautious policy over the issue of people fleeing Chinese-controlled Tibet, directly to the north. The office of the representative of Tibet's exiled spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, was closed in Nepal's capital in 2005, but refugees continue to be transited through the Himalayan nation, often to the northern hill station of Dharamsala, where the Dalai Lama leads the Tibetan government-in-exile.
Tibetan refugees began arriving in Nepal in 1959 after the Dalai Lama fled Lhasa following an abortive uprising against Chinese rule. A year later Communist troops entered Tibet.
The Dalai Lama has in recent years urged greater autonomy from Beijing for his homeland.
Around 2,500 people a year make an often dangerous trip across the Himalayas into Nepal and India.
International rights groups accuse the Chinese of ruling Tibet through repression and military intimidation.
Tibetans reach India safely after shootings: group
By Ralph Jennings
Monday, October 23, 2006; 3:52 AM
TAIPEI (Reuters) - More than 40 Tibetans en route to see the Dalai Lama in India have reached New Delhi safely after being shot at by Chinese border guards in an incident caught on video, a group of supporters said on Monday.
The group from China's Tibet Autonomous Region reached the Indian capital on Friday following a trek through the mountains that began with 77 people, said Khedroob Thondup, a member of the Tibetan Parliament in Exile.
Tibet has been ruled by China since Communist troops occupied the vast region in 1950, and the government deals harshly with Tibetans who press for greater political and religious freedoms.
Two people in the group, aged 13 and 17, were shot by Chinese border guards on September 30 as they headed toward China's border with Nepal without legal exit papers, Thondub said.
European mountaineers in the area, 5,700 meters (18,700 feet) above sea level, caught the shootings on camera and released their video on the Internet, he told a media briefing in Taipei.
Video of what appeared to be the shooting also aired on Romanian Pro TV.
China has said the border guards warned the group about the border crossing and then fired in self-defense when members of the group attacked them. The video shows no such confrontation.
Those who had made it to New Delhi would travel on to the northern Indian town of Dharamsala, headquarters of the Tibetan government in exile, said Thondup, visiting Taipei to raise awareness of the shootings.
The group would meet the Dalai Lama, Tibet's spiritual leader who fled into exile in 1959 after a failed uprising against Chinese rule, and have a chance to study in Dharamsala, he added.
They could stay as long as they wish and did not need to return to Tibet, he said.
More than 20 others involved, including seven children, were detained on September 30 and face at least a year in jail, said Meili Chow, research director of the Taipei-based Tibet advocacy group Taiwan Associates.
"We Tibetans, by becoming a part of China, have suffered like this for 40 years," Thondup said.
Groups try about once a month to escape through snowy Himalayan passes between border checkpoints into Nepal, Thondup said. Border guards sometimes catch escapees but seldom shoot at them, he added.
Seems that we are only concerned with freeing those people who have oil. No freedom for Tibet, No freedom for any of the Africans in countries where they are killed by the thousands. The hypocrisy is glaring.
We free what we can. Politicians see energy as a vital (fill in the blank)...
"Tibetans shot at by Chinese reach India"
- This is the reason why China can confidently meddle and exploit the world wide war on Islamofascism. They have no fear of it becoming a problem in their own country - they will act with ruthless extermination measures just as they have with the relatively peaceful Tibetans.
"The Nangpa Pass is commonly used as an escape route for Tibetans transiting into Nepal and from there to exile in India. Tibetans leaving Tibet along this route have been fired upon before by both Chinese and Nepalese security, on both sides of the border - in November 1998, a 15-year old Tibetan was shot dead near the border in Saga county, Shigatse prefecture in the Tibet Autonomous Region. But this is the first time that a Tibetan refugee has been shot dead in front of such a large number of witnesses from the international mountaineering community - it is currently a peak climbing season and there were several hundred people making an ascent of Cho Oyu at the time. Of these, at least 40 climbers in addition to Sherpas and porters at advance base witnessed the incident."
We're fighting the enemy that's actually killing Americans on American soil.
If the Chinese and miscellaneous African citizens were murdering Americans on American soil, I think we'd be dealing with them very differently.
You could view it as hypocrisy but then again, you could just as easily view it as practical: we can't save the entire planet from itself so we might as well try and save the people who are killing us.
Unfortunately there is no Tibet ping on this forum. So I am just doing my best.
Saw another article about this.
Some people are asuras. Actually, many people are influenced by such dark passions that even animals are more civilized. The way the Chinese have treated Tibetans and the country of Tibet is on the list of terrible crimes of the 20th century, and continues.
Tks foir the ping, dost.
Shame on the chicoms, as usual.
Looks like we have a ChiCom troll on the thread.
Why did PLA soldiers murder the Tibetans? ...only because they tried to get out of China without authorization from the PLA?
Signed up today to post this shit eh?
"Shame on the westerns, double standard on human.
Shame on the boastful and hypocrisy indian government, do nothing except making trouble for china."
"hypocrisy indian government" for allowing the fleeing refugees to come inside? What would you rather have India do? Let them be killed by the PLA?
"india is contrast pathetic messing. partly because all potential tibetan terrorists have been moving to india."
I haven't heard of a single terrorist attack in India caused by "tibetan terrorists". What exactly are you talking about?
You banned the account? How very Chicom of you. You should be proud.
Oh never mind.
Thanks, GK. The host site tells me that my browser needs a newer Flash plugin. I'll keep the URI you sent until the upgrade is done (whole browser upgrade by way of a slow modem connection for the BSD UNIX server here). This place isn't the Himalayas, but it is full of peaks and somewhat remote from central phone offices.
Trolls are free to disrupt -elsewhere.
FR is private property.
Your defense of the troll is quite interesting by the by.
How do you know he is a troll? What is a troll? This is private property? No sh-t.
BTW, Would the Chinese government use similar excuses for blocking differing opinions? Ironic.
I've been here long enough to know what jackholes the admin mods can be. Like a bunch of elementary students who get to be hall monitors.
How do I know it was a troll?
You can't seriously mean that.
Didn't you read what IT said?
He was a Chinese propagandist troll, we've had several.
How about you simply ASK the mods?
They'd likely tell you.
I tried to, but just realized that I typed admin rather than admin moderator.
I am really curious to hear his point of view. How many people from China have you ever talked to? Aren't you a bit curious what people with different perspectives have to say? I am not saying that you have to agree, or put up with vulgar behavior, but I did see what he said and basically he said India causes trouble. I'd like to hear more about why he says this. We don't really know much about how the rest of the world operates. I personally like to learn. Oh well, FR has been this way for every. I still like FR, even with its shortcomings.
Still, the Kahampas fought on until about 1974 or so, operating out of the remote mountain fastness of Mustang.
The Dalai Lama was anti-military, as were his advisors in the Tibet government in exile. Despite the Dalai Lamas spirituality, one cannot miss the fact that he sold his country out for religious reasons, a prejudice against fighting for freedom, a prejudice not shared by former Dalai Lamas who made certain that the passes into Tibet , which could easily be held by a few soldiers in the East, were not defended. Part of that responsibility of failure rests with the regent of the Dalai Lama who acted in the years of the present DaLai Lamas minority.He also was anti-military.
Tibet was lost because of an "excess" of religion, in which the ancient traditions of warriorship ( Gesar of Ling) were abandoned by the present Dalai Lama government, a group of "holier than thou" liberals, who abandoned the protection of their own nation as religious aristocrats. The Chinese took Tibet easily, and could have been stopped just as easily, if the later government had not been so "anti-military."
This should be an abject lesson to todays US liberals. You will lose your country, if you do not protect the freedom of your people with military force.
How the CIA sponsored and betrayed Tibetans in a war the world never knew about
It was code-named 'ST Circus'. But there was nothing funny about the way the CIA funded, trained, armed and ultimately used and betrayed the Tibetan cause. This is the war no one knew about. This is the war that shatters the popular impression that the non-violent Tibetans allowed the Chinese to stroll into Lhasa in 1951 after token resistance. A war that is relived in The Shadow Circus: The CIA in Tibet, a gripping documentary made for the BBC by Tenzing Sonam and his wife Ritu Sarin.
This was a labour of love, and it shows. Without being jingoistic, the superbly shot documentary initiated ten years ago vividly recounts how a few thousand Tibetans took on the might of the People's Liberation Army. Outgunned and outnumbered, they fought a bloody guerrilla battle on the roof of the world for over a decade. And their ally for much of the time: The CIA.
Tenzing's father, Lhamo Tsering, was a senior resistance leader and the CIA's chief coordinator for the Tibet operation. In 1958, he was trained at CIA camps in Virginia and Colorado's Rocky Mountains. He documented the entire movement, writing at length on the subject. Though he died on January 9 this year without realising his dream of a free Tibet, The Shadow Circus stands tribute to the man.
China invaded Tibet in late 1949, and two years later, overran the brave but tiny Tibetan army to enter Lhasa. The Dalai Lama, 17 at the time, was forced into an uneasy compromise with Beijing. But when monasteries in eastern Tibet were razed in 1956, the local Khampa tribesmen revolted and formed an underground outfit, sending out desperate calls for help. The Dalai Lama's elder brother, Gyalo Thondup, in exile in India, promised to contact the Americans.
The Americans, in the throes of the worst stage of communist-phobia, were happy to oblige. Six men were selected from a group of Khampas that had come to India. They were secretly flown to the Pacific island of Saipan and trained in guerrilla warfare and clandestine radio communications.
Five months later, Athar Norbu, who now lives in Delhi, and his partner were the first men ever to be parachuted into Tibet. By then, the resistance had been forced out of Lhasa into southern Tibet. Their success against the Chinese led to the CIA making its first arms drop to the resistance. Then the agency set up a top-secret training camp in the Rocky Mountains, where conditions approximated those in Tibet. Some 259 Tibetans were trained in Camp Hale over the next five years.
'We had great expectations when we went to America. We thought perhaps they would even give us an atom bomb to take back,' says Tenzin Tsultrim. 'In the training period, we learned that the objective was to gain our independence,' adds another grizzled veteran. But the Americans had other ideas. 'The whole idea was to keep the Chinese occupied, keep them annoyed, keep them disturbed. Nobody wanted to go to war over Tibet...It was a nuisance operation. Basically, nothing more,' says former CIA agent Sam Halpern.
In March 1959, the CIA made a second arms drop in southern Tibet, where the resistance now controlled large areas. Back in Lhasa, the Dalai Lama was invited to the local Chinese military camp to attend a play sans bodyguards, the invitation said. The citizens of Lhasa rose up in revolt; the Dalai Lama realised it was time to leave.
A few days later, the Dalai Lama, disguised as a soldier, escaped from his palace and headed south. The CIA-trained radio team met them en route, and asked the Americans to request Prime Minister Nehru to grant asylum to the Dalai Lama.Nehru, well aware of the situation, immediately approved. On March 31, 1959, after an arduous trek across the mountains, the Dalai Lama and his entourage entered India. This sparked off an exodus of refugees from Tibet to India leaving behind only small pockets of resistance in southern Tibet.
Undeterred, the CIA parachuted four groups of Camp Hale trainees inside Tibet between 1959 and 1960 to contact the remaining resistance groups. But the missions resulted in the massacre of all but a few of the team members.
The CIA cooked up a fresh operation in Mustang, a remote corner of Nepal that juts into Tibet. Nearly two thousand Tibetans gathered here to continue their fight for freedom. A year later, the CIA made its first arms drop in Mustang. Organised on the lines of a modern army, the guerrillas were led by Bapa Yeshe, a former monk.
'As soon as we received the aid, the Americans started scolding us like children. They said that we had to go into Tibet immediately. Sometimes I wished they hadn't sent us the arms at all,' says Yeshe. The Mustang guerrillas conducted cross-border raids into Tibet. The CIA made two more arms drops to the Mustang force, the last in May 1965. Then, in early 1969, the agency abruptly cut off all support. The CIA explained that one of the main conditions the Chinese had set for establishing diplomatic relations with the US was to stop all connections and all assistance to the Tibetans. Says Roger McCarthy, an ex-CIA man, 'It still smarts that we pulled out in the manner we did.'
Thinley Paljor, a surviving resistance fighter, was among the thousands shattered by this volte-face. 'We felt deceived, we felt our usefulness to the CIA is finished. They were only thinking short-term for their own personal gain, not for the long-term interests of the Tibetan people.' In 1974, armtwisted by the Chinese, the Nepalese government sent troops to Mustang to demand the surrender of the guerrillas. Fearing a bloody confrontation, the Dalai Lama sent the resistance fighters a taped message, asking them to surrender. They did so, reluctantly. Some committed suicide soon afterwards.
Today, the survivors of the Mustang resistance force live in two refugee settlements in Nepal, where they eke out a living spinning wool and weaving carpets. 'The film is for the younger Tibetans, who are unaware of the resistance, as well as for Americans, who don't know how their own government used and betrayed the resistance,' says Tenzing. 'Though it was a story begging to be told, funding it was almost impossible,' adds Ritu.
The couple have been making films since 1983, on subjects from reincarnation to the expat Sikh community in California and Tenzing's first trip to Tibet. A full-length Tibetan feature film is in the pipeline, but The Shadow Circus is likely to be remembered for its startling revelations.
The most poignant summary comes from Tenzing's father: 'We were able to utilise [the American] help for our own ends. We couldn't just go and fight the Chinese with empty hands. I don't see our armed struggle as something that was helpful only at a certain point in our history, something that is finished. We should look at it as one chapter in our continuing struggle for freedom, one that still has some meaning.'
Welcome back T Yang.
You are saying that the PLA border guards were firing at the "children" because "7 years old children are innocient," and "it is immoral to let them climb the Himalayas mountain, to cross risky border."?
I will once again repeat the question for you. Why were the PLA firing at the fleeing Tibetan refugees?
years old children are innocient, they know nothing about democracy and free-tibet, it is immoral to let them climb the Himalayas mountain, to cross risky border.
Is it wrong/immoral to help smuggle Tibetan refugees (even Children) to India so that they escape genocide at the hands of China?
Maybe not but they definitely know about survival (the most basic human right). The refugees were fleeing Tibet not for "democracy" but for survival.
Go and tell this to your CCP bosses,
"India doesn't give shit." (Mimirs Well....... could you translate that into Chicomese?)
He had no choice but to leave Tibet. For some reason it really seems to chap your hide that he didn't stay and become a corpse in 1949 or either a Chinese bootlicker..
The Chinese have destroyed Tibet's culture, and killed at least 1.2 million Tibetans (iirc) during their first decade of occupation. Would you really prefer Tibetan children stay in Tibet to be tortured rather than try for India? Is this the Chinese way?
It is sickening that nothing has been done about Chinese atrocities in Tibet. The UN has been worse than worthless, here.
I would imagine Tibetans are rather grateful they have an escape. Any escape at all. And As for the Chinese, why should anyone care what you think about the manner or method or means of that escape?
You say India has gained nothing, but I think you are very wrong.
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