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Wis congressional candidate (US House Dem) apologizes for 'Injun time' remark
AP ^ | Mon, Oct. 23, 2006

Posted on 10/23/2006 3:22:55 PM PDT by Indy Pendance

GREEN BAY, Wis. - Democratic U.S. House candidate Steve Kagen apologized Monday for commenting that he was late for a meeting on an Indian reservation because "we're on Injun time."

"I did not mean any harm by my words and I humbly apologize if I offended anyone. That was not my intent," he said in a statement hours after the National Republican Congressional Committee released a tape recording of the comment.

Kagen attended a meeting Friday on the nearby Oneida Reservation and at his next stop in Green Bay he made the following remarks:

"Appreciate getting here almost on time. Our excuse in Oneida was, well, we're on Injun time. They don't tell time by the clock. Our excuse here is that I am a doctor and that we're never on time."

Kagen, a 56-year-old Appleton doctor, is involved in what political observers call a very close race against Republican John Gard, a 43-year-old veteran state lawmaker, for the two-year seat in District 8 in northeast Wisconsin. The two are seeking to replace GOP U.S. Rep. Mark Green, who is running for governor.

District 8 has one of only 29 open House seats in the country, making it a prime target for Democrats who need to pick up 15 seats on Nov. 7 to gain control of the 435-member House.

Kagen's spokeswoman Stephanie Lundberg said he heard the term "Injun time" used by Native Americans.

"I don't know if he was trying to be funny. It was in the context of a self-deprecating comment," she said.

Bobbi Webster, a spokeswoman for the Oneida Nation, said Monday that Kagen's comment was not being taken as disrespectful by tribal members. No apology was sought, she said.

"Tribal members say that themselves. It is not uncommon to hear somebody come in late and say, 'Oh-Oh. I am running on Indian time.' The time you get there is the time to do your thing," Webster said.

The term "Injun" also is not necessarily disrespectful, she said.

"If I thought an individual was trying to be disrespectful, then I might think about it in that term," Webster said. "But if I thought a person was trying to be funny, then I might enlighten him and say, 'You know, I know what you are trying to do but you may want to just say it a little differently.'"

Kagen and Gard were on the reservation Monday for a debate, and no tribal members brought up the "Injun" comment, Webster said.

"We were laughing about all the calls we got today in regard to the Indian time comment and we said. 'My God, aren't they interested in what the issues are all about? The health care. The education. The jobs,'" she said.

An Indian in South Dakota was less forgiving of Kagen.

Bruce Whalen, a Republican seeking election to the U.S. House in South Dakota's only district, called Kagen's remark a "racist comment" that insults Native Americans everywhere, according to a statement released by the National Republican Congressional Committee.

Whalen, a member of South Dakota's Oglala Sioux Tribe on the Pine Ridge Reservation, demanded that Kagen apologize.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: South Dakota; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: bobbiwebster; brucewhalen; democratmedia; injun; injuntime; johngard; markgreen; oglalasioux; oneidanation; partisanmedia; southdakota; stephanielundberg; stevekagen; wisconsin
Do you think this will be played up like the MSM does with Allen?
1 posted on 10/23/2006 3:22:56 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance

Oh, so when Native Americans say it that's fine and dandy, but let a honkey say it and suddenly everybody's feelings are hurt.


2 posted on 10/23/2006 3:26:29 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: Indy Pendance

What a gaff. Everybody knows the correct term is "Native American Time".


3 posted on 10/23/2006 3:26:50 PM PDT by Argus
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To: Indy Pendance

MACACA!


4 posted on 10/23/2006 3:27:37 PM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0
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To: Indy Pendance
The term "Injun" also is not necessarily disrespectful, she said.

Tell that to the Macaca.

-PJ

5 posted on 10/23/2006 3:27:43 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: Indy Pendance
As an American Injun, let me say that there is such a thing as Injun time. Yes there is! I'll bet you a buck.
6 posted on 10/23/2006 3:28:00 PM PDT by fish hawk
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To: Indy Pendance

Exactly. Gee, the macaca thing was the big story for at least a week. Insulting Indians about being on Indian time is at least as offensive as someone using a word that nobody in the MSM had heard of until Allen said it. Then they decided it was a racial slur and played it up as such.

We'll see how much coverage this gets. Democrats love American Indians. That's why Indian reservations are such oases of prosperity.


7 posted on 10/23/2006 3:28:14 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Argus
What a gaff. Everybody knows the correct term is "Native American Time".

Right. The Big Smoke is on the 12 and the little smoke is on the 9.

-PJ

8 posted on 10/23/2006 3:28:33 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: Indy Pendance

Was it Injun Daylight Time or Injun Standard Time?


9 posted on 10/23/2006 3:28:45 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Non-smoker who hates smoking nazis)
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To: fish hawk
As an American Injun, let me say that there is such a thing as Injun time.

Many moons?

10 posted on 10/23/2006 3:29:48 PM PDT by onyx (We have two political parties: the American Party and the Anti-American Party.)
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To: Indy Pendance

Mark Belling on this right now. www.newstalk1130.com


11 posted on 10/23/2006 3:29:52 PM PDT by NewsJunqui
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To: NewsJunqui

That's why I posted it, he was just talking about it, I searched and didn't see it posted. If this was a republican, it'd be the breaking news story on all the msm channels.


12 posted on 10/23/2006 3:31:32 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance
"We're on Injun time." Hahaha, hilarious!

Still, won't get the same Macaca attention, even though everybody knows what Injun refers to, as opposed to nobody knowing what Macaca even meant.
13 posted on 10/23/2006 3:33:19 PM PDT by billybudd
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To: onyx

Many Moons is my girl friend. Do you know her?


14 posted on 10/23/2006 3:33:52 PM PDT by fish hawk
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To: Indy Pendance
Ooops. Gotta fix that typo in the original article ...

Bobbi Webster, a spokeswoman for the Oneida Nation, said Monday that Kagen's comment was not being taken as disrespectful coming from a Republican by tribal members. No apology was sought, she said.

15 posted on 10/23/2006 3:35:19 PM PDT by PackerBronco
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To: Indy Pendance

Here's a link to an earlier discussion when Charlie Sykes reported on it:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1724395/posts


16 posted on 10/23/2006 3:39:05 PM PDT by NewsJunqui
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To: NewsJunqui

Thanks, I searched 'injun', and didn't see it posted.


17 posted on 10/23/2006 3:40:03 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance

Is Injun time anything like stripper time? I knew a dancer a few years back, she explained to me there was real time and stripper time. Stripper time runs 30-90 mins behind real time.... LOL


18 posted on 10/23/2006 3:41:14 PM PDT by Unknown Pundit
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To: fish hawk

I would suspect it is similar to "15 minutes," which is the time many a native Mexican tells you it will take to do something, even if it takes 3 days.


19 posted on 10/23/2006 3:42:34 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: Indy Pendance
"Tribal members say that themselves. It is not uncommon to hear somebody come in late and say, 'Oh-Oh. I am running on Indian time.

Blacks also often use the "N" word with each other. It's verboten to others.

and Indians (many still prefer "Indian" to the so-called PC "Native American") - and there's a big difference between "Indian" and "Injun."

However, no sweat , no issue - it was a democrat...

and contrary to what his people said, he WAS asked to apologize. Of course, that's all a democrat ever has to do - a republican would already be outta town on a rail - provided, not by the Indians, but the "outraged" democrats

20 posted on 10/23/2006 3:47:34 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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To: Indy Pendance

DUmocrats....always have an over-abundance of excuses.


21 posted on 10/23/2006 3:48:39 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Winning Islamic hearts and minds.........one bullet at a time!)
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To: Indy Pendance

Will this be played to the extent of Nguyen in California and the letter to Hispanic voters? Not holding my breath...


22 posted on 10/23/2006 3:52:09 PM PDT by MikeA (Not voting Nov. 7 because you're pouting is PRECISELY what Speaker Wannabe Pelosi wants you to do!)
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To: Indy Pendance; All
UTC + 5:30

Never mind . . .

23 posted on 10/23/2006 3:52:53 PM PDT by dighton
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To: Indy Pendance

I was in the airport in Mexico City a few years back and asked an employee when a ticket counter would be open. "30 minutes," he said and then added "Mexican time," and grinned.


24 posted on 10/23/2006 3:59:12 PM PDT by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: Indy Pendance
Thanks, I searched 'injun', and didn't see it posted.

Maybe the search engine is on Injun Time too.

25 posted on 10/23/2006 4:22:03 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Democrats. French, but more cowardly.)
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To: dighton
That is for the Injuns at 7-11's. You'd have to ask Joe Biden about that.

-PJ

26 posted on 10/23/2006 4:30:28 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: mtbopfuyn

"I did not mean any harm by my words and I humbly apologize if I offended anyone. That was not my intent," he said in a statement hours after the National Republican Congressional Committee released a tape recording of the comment. "

How courageous!!


27 posted on 10/23/2006 4:32:05 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Murtha is even cutting and running from a debate.)
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To: Indy Pendance

On the old Lou Grant TV show, the character, Joe Rossi used the term, Indian Time to explain to the police who wanted to move the old indian chief away from the sidewalk where he was blocking traffic; and Ed Asner as Lou Grant took up the old indian's cause.

They don't come any farther to the left than Ed Asner.


28 posted on 10/23/2006 4:40:08 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: abenaki

You pale-faces are all alike.


29 posted on 10/23/2006 4:40:56 PM PDT by abenaki
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To: mtbopfuyn
Oh, so when Native Americans say it that's fine and dandy, but let a honkey say it and suddenly everybody's feelings are hurt.

So, if it concerns Native Americans, no problem ?

Blacks often use the "N" word with one another - but what happens when a "honkey" uses it???

Always seems to be double standards when it's a democrat's versus republicans or Native Americans versus ANY other ethnic group.

American Indians are still considered all but invisible in this country - the U.S. Congress even once ruled them as aliens...How many more years, I wonder, before the country gets over it's stupid mass-guilt, which results in blaming everything on the Native Americans, accepts the truth for both sides and gets on with it?

30 posted on 10/23/2006 4:46:54 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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To: Indy Pendance
Indian time allowed for a much less stressful life.

In early colonial times, for a funny example, the Indians found it comical that the white man needed a clock to tell him when he was hungry...instead of just eating when he was hungry, as the Indian did.

31 posted on 10/23/2006 4:51:23 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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To: Indy Pendance

Gard is going to eat this guy's lunch. This district is solidly Republican.


32 posted on 10/23/2006 4:53:35 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: abenaki
You pale-faces are all alike.

_;o)

I sure hope not...

33 posted on 10/23/2006 4:54:56 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
"This district is solidly Republican."

That's great to hear! I used to live in Green Bay. I'm in Washington County now, one of the most conservative counties in Wisconsin. Now, if the media would cover this like it was a republican...... 'holding my breath.'

34 posted on 10/23/2006 5:03:44 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance
Bobbi Webster, a spokeswoman for the Oneida Nation, said Monday that Kagen's comment was not being taken as disrespectful by tribal members. No apology was sought, she said.

It's not like he called them WARRIORS or anything. Now there's something to be upset about!

Faux outrage is a very selective thing.

35 posted on 10/23/2006 5:13:14 PM PDT by Mygirlsmom (Republicans Don't Cut and Run....Vote November 7)
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To: Indy Pendance

Democratic U.S. House candidate Steve Kagen apologized with some beads and cheap whiskey.


36 posted on 10/23/2006 5:13:42 PM PDT by The Iceman Cometh (The Democrats (and McCain, Graham & Warner) are gonna get us killed.)
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To: everyone

Even though he's getting a taste of the foul medicine his party regularly foists on Republicans, I have to say this is one of the rare occasions on which I sympathize with a Rat.

As for our guy in South Dakota who condemned him: Shut up with the PC crap. Just run your own race.


37 posted on 10/23/2006 5:27:04 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: Indy Pendance

It's ok....he just called them Injuns....he could have called them warriors. Now THAT would have been insensitive.


38 posted on 10/23/2006 5:29:52 PM PDT by irish guard
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To: The Iceman Cometh

More insensitive slurs. Did you mean to say "wampum and fire-water"?


39 posted on 10/23/2006 5:31:02 PM PDT by abenaki
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To: irish guard
As in "Marquette Warriors", now known as the flapping turkeys?


40 posted on 10/23/2006 5:55:20 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance

Dr. Demento Dean must resign immediately over this scandalous behavior by a member of his party.

Also, when did Pelosi know this candidate was a bigot? And when did she know it? She must resign now.

Kohl and Feingold are responsible for the slur because they are from the same state as the slurrer. They must also resign.

Congress must begin investigation about who instructed the candidate to make the slur.

The NY Slimes, Washington Compost, and the local paper shall run this story on their front page for the next 2 weeks.

This 'injun' comment will haunt the Donkeycratic party for the next 2 election cycles. They will never recover from the charges of hypocrisy, and will be the laughing stock of the western world. And...and...and....


41 posted on 10/23/2006 6:10:00 PM PDT by rfp1234 (I've had it up to my keyster with these leaks!!! - - - Ronald Reagan)
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To: rfp1234

You're so cute.... :)


42 posted on 10/23/2006 6:20:56 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: MeanWestTexan

I live in Hawaii and over here they have "Hawaiian Time" which is the same thing.


43 posted on 10/23/2006 7:21:27 PM PDT by fish hawk
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To: maine-iac7

"Blacks also often use the "N" word with each other. It's verboten to others."

It's not verboten if you're a doddering Caucasian Dimocrat Senator and you use the term on the Senate floor as in "....white N-word..." Well, that's just fine, no problemo, that is, if you're a Dimocrat.


44 posted on 10/23/2006 8:00:16 PM PDT by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: Rembrandt
It's not verboten if you're a doddering Caucasian Dimocrat Senator and you use the term on the Senate floor as in "....white N-word..." Well, that's just fine, no problemo, that is, if you're a Dimocrat.

Or if you're a "Bird" KKK, you can say it 3 times in one interview on national TV and not a eyebrow is raised...

45 posted on 10/23/2006 8:07:15 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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To: maine-iac7
many still prefer "Indian" to the so-called PC "Native American"

Which makes sense as they were here long before there was an America. Who thought up "Native American" anyway?

46 posted on 10/24/2006 7:15:31 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: Indy Pendance
A lot of Indians don't like the native American thing. Most Americans were born here--that's what native means. And "indigenous" is not friendly--sounds like a botany lesson.

Indian--American Indian, if one is confused with Asian Indians--is preferred by many who aren't pimping a race card.

47 posted on 10/24/2006 8:38:52 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
Note: this topic was posted 10/23/2006. Thanks Indy Pendance.
Democratic U.S. House candidate Steve Kagen apologized Monday for commenting that he was late for a meeting on an Indian reservation because "we're on Injun time." ... Bobbi Webster, a spokeswoman for the Oneida Nation, said Monday that Kagen's comment was not being taken as disrespectful by tribal members. No apology was sought, she said.

48 posted on 04/30/2014 3:21:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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