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Potheads, puritans and pragmatists: Two marijuana initiatives put drug warriors on the defensive
Townhall ^ | October 18, 2006 | Jacob Sullum

Posted on 10/23/2006 5:03:34 PM PDT by JTN

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To: Landru
Ah, I see. Then allow me to change my statement since you're saying that you don't agree with the LV Jaycees.

YouThe LV Jaycees really think the drugs purchased in Las Vegas will stay in Las Vegas? Geez, you're they're naive.

541 posted on 11/07/2006 6:41:37 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
"Ah, I see."

I doubt it.

"Then allow me to change my statement since you're saying that you don't agree with the LV Jaycees."

Now I'm sure of it, you don't.

"YouThe LV Jaycees really think the drugs purchased in Las Vegas will stay in Las Vegas? Geez, you're they're naive."

Greedy paulsen, greedy.
That's it.

And robert tell me something, *where* are the drugs coming from, now?
Hmmmmm?
Drugs -- whatever type -- are everywhere, y'know.
They cannot be stopped, haven't been stopped up to today anyway and that's solely because a large number of y/our *neighbors* are clamoring for 'em.
These neighbors don't give a damn what anyone thinks of them, wouldn't [freely] choose to associate with nonusers, too.
I'll bet you feel likewise toward them, also.

Unless *government* implements iron-fisted deterrents such as the death penalty and/or life imprisonment for possession and/or use -- of any amount of anything whatsoever -- it'll continue.
That's not *naive*, that's a fact based upon my 50+ years experience some of which spent in law enforcement.

Whether it occurs in Las Vegas, Nevada or Hoboken, New Jersey really doesn't matter a whit either, only to you.
From my POV to think otherwise, now that is *naive* & in the extreme. ;^)

So, what's your solution paulsen.
Personally I'd like hearing from the board's A#1 long standing & consistent prohibitionist the exact action(s) you'd take to stop the "drug problem" if it were up to you.

...I'm all ears. ;^)

542 posted on 11/07/2006 7:24:32 AM PST by Landru (That does it, no sleep number for you pal.)
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To: Landru
Drug use is down 66% from the late 70's. If it stays at 5%, I'm happy. Like other crimes, it won't go away -- the best we can do is to minimize it.

"These neighbors don't give a damn what anyone thinks of them"

Of course they don't. They're a bunch of selfish, self-centered, immature, immoral hedonists. This is all about them and to hell with everyone else.

543 posted on 11/07/2006 7:40:53 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: SampleMan; Tolsti; y'all
Sampleman commented that the Federal government enumerates [guns/speech/religion] rights, "which I believe puts a greater burden on the states in abridging them".


The Constitution and its Bill of Rights applied to the newly-formed United States and all of its political subdivisions, - local, state & federal.

In other words, these rights were protected from any infringements at any level. [see Article VI]

However, many states could, and did, ignore and infringe upon them, necessitating the enactment of the 14th Amendment in an attempt to stop such infringements.
-- This too failed, and State/local governments to this day infringe on our rights to guns/speech/religion/intoxicating substances/--- whatever, -- under the guise that 'the majority rules in a Democracy'..


Not true.. -- We have a Republic, if we can keep it.
544 posted on 11/07/2006 8:04:32 AM PST by tpaine
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To: Landru
I'm all ears. ;^)

Needless to say we all are, - even though your question will never be answered.
Prohibitionists have no answers, just an obsession to control the freedoms of their peers..

545 posted on 11/07/2006 8:14:10 AM PST by tpaine
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To: robertpaulsen
"Drug use is down 66% from the late 70's. If it stays at 5%, I'm happy."

No offense paulsen, but, you sure don't sound happy.
Sound kind of paranoid, not that it's a bad thing but...

"Like other crimes, it won't go away -- the best we can do is to minimize it."

Yea.
To places *like* Las Vegas, for example? ;^)

>These neighbors don't give a damn what anyone thinks of them"
"Of course they don't. They're a bunch of selfish, self-centered, immature, immoral hedonists. This is all about them and to hell with everyone else."

Perhaps they are, but my friend they *vote*.
The homosexuals have figured it out so in the state I live today we're voting on whether or not the state's Constitution be altered to define "marriage" as between a man & a woman.
Follow?

Lemme tell you something I've learned first hand on the matter of gay marriage et al in the past several months since it was announced the issue would be on the ballot.
I cannot BELIEVE the numbers of self professed "Christian" peoples I've personally spoken with who're all for gay marriage, for a variety of reason(s) & to hell with what the Bible says.
Makes me feel *quite out-of-touch* paulsen, so if the drug issue ever comes up I'll know just how you feel.

The pro-WOD crowd had better damned well *pray* the Liberal-Socialists don't realize the huge numbers of those who enjoy some type of recreational drug -- 99% favoring smoke -- who virtually ALL work in every type of job and/or profession, imaginable -- besides nicotine & alcohol have to be 1,000,000 times the number of the Gay's & their lobby.

So help me God the Republicans may never see anything more important than Dog Catcher if the Libs figure this out.
I dare say before that'd ever be allowed to happen we might all see the Republican Party going anti-WOD just as Las Vegas/NV would, if conditions were right.
That's my gut on this issue.

People who "use" but otherwise lead what appear to be normal lives, have families, pay taxes, contribute to their community as any other socially "normal" person and are NOT "criminal" for anything except their habit are SICK to DEATH of a society making a "criminal" out of them.
Understand?

The referendums for decriminalization -- one in CO & the other slips my mind -- are going to be mighty interesting.
Those two contests will -- for the most part -- settle the issue, because if they pass or fail they'll set a precedent.

A precedent that'll touch us all.

...soon. ;^)

546 posted on 11/07/2006 12:57:55 PM PST by Landru (That does it, no sleep number for you pal.)
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To: tpaine
>I'm all ears.
"Needless to say we all are..."

Needles to say.
Say you really have adopted a kinder, gentler way, haven't you.
No wonder the Old Man *likes* ya, tp.
You can admit it, you like him too.
Don'tcha. :o)

"- even though your question will never be answered."

No, the question wasn't answered.
It didn't go unnoticed.

"Prohibitionists have no answers, just an obsession to control the freedoms of their peers."

The man's as passionate about the WOD -- for reason or reasons dear to him -- as a few others our beloved Constitution be followed, as written.

Both matters for better or worse, incidentally, are losing battles.

...I suspect.

547 posted on 11/07/2006 1:04:43 PM PST by Landru (That does it, no sleep number for you pal.)
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To: Lurker 50001
I wish to remind you that your oath to defend our constitution from all enemies foreign or domestic did not end with your term of service.

Marijuana is not found in the Constitution...

548 posted on 11/07/2006 4:30:10 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Landru
"No offense paulsen, but, you sure don't sound happy."

I'm not. I said if it stays at 5%, I'm happy.

The percentage has been creeping up because of cities like Las Vegas sending the message that marijuana isn't so bad after all.

"The pro-WOD crowd had better damned well *pray* the Liberal-Socialists don't realize the huge numbers of those who enjoy some type of recreational drug -- 99% favoring smoke -- "

Of those who use some type of recreational drug, 99% favor marijuana? Where do you get your statistics -- you simply pull them out of some orifice?

Let's see. We have 120 million people who have consumed alcohol in the last 30 days. 20 million who have used any other recreational drug, which includes 14 million who used marijuana.

That's a total of 140 million "recreational drug users" of which 14 million are smokers. Looks more like 10% than 99%, huh?

Quit wasting my time with your phony statistics.

"The referendums for decriminalization."

Mob rule. Do you favor a pure democracy like that over a representative republic?

549 posted on 11/08/2006 4:55:25 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Landru
"Those two contests will -- for the most part -- settle the issue, because if they pass or fail they'll set a precedent."

I'm happy again.

The South Dakota medical marijuana initiative is losing by 52% to 48% with more than two-thirds of the votes counted. The Nevada "tax and regulate" initiative is losing by 56% to 44%. The Colorado legalization initiative is losing by 61% to 39% with 47% of the vote counted.

Since, by your own words, this sets a precedent, I hope this ends your propaganda campaign.

550 posted on 11/08/2006 5:06:16 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
>The pro-WOD crowd had better damned well *pray* the Liberal-Socialists don't realize the huge numbers of those who enjoy some type of recreational drug -- 99% favoring smoke -- who virtually ALL work in every type of job and/or profession, imaginable -- besides nicotine & alcohol have to be 1,000,000 times the number of the Gay's & their lobby.
"Of those who use some type of recreational drug, 99% favor marijuana? Where do you get your statistics -- you simply pull them out of some orifice?"

I see you took great care, were very *selective* in what you chose to excerpt.
~huh.

"I hope this ends your propaganda campaign."

You've the unmitigated gall to accuse another of promoting a propaganda campaign after pulling that shenanigan?
HA!!

paulsen, I love ya.

...but kiss my ass. ;^)

551 posted on 11/08/2006 5:24:41 AM PST by Landru (That does it, no sleep number for you pal.)
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To: tpaine
"Prohibitionists have no answers, just an obsession to control the freedoms of their peers."

I apologize to you for ever having any doubt -- whatsoever -- concerning your above statement.
I should've known better, you knew & know better.
Always have.

People like "The" a-hole aren't just neurotic, they're full-blown psychotic.

...just nuts.

552 posted on 11/08/2006 5:31:18 AM PST by Landru (That does it, no sleep number for you pal.)
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To: Landru
You consider cigarettes to be recreational drugs? What else? Chocolate? Big Macs? Pizza?

What a lightweight.

But let's play your silly propaganda game. Throw in the cigarette smoker as a "recreational drug user". That's 50 million, of which 12 million smoke marijuana also (seventy-seven percent of marijuana smokers also smoked tobacco). So we add 38 million cigarette-only "drug users".

New totals: 178 million "drug users" of which 53 million smoke cigarettes or marijuana or both.

I come up with 30%, not 99%.

Go away, clown.

553 posted on 11/08/2006 5:49:52 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen; Landru

Hint: Tone it down now

Thanks


554 posted on 11/08/2006 5:52:52 AM PST by Sidebar Moderator
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To: JTN

Both were losers...


555 posted on 11/11/2006 6:41:53 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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