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Neanderthal man walks among us, Poland's far-right says
AFP via Yahoo! News ^ | Mon Oct 23, 2006 | Jean-Luc Testault

Posted on 10/24/2006 10:55:25 AM PDT by lizol

Neanderthal man walks among us, Poland's far-right says by Jean-Luc Testault

Mon Oct 23, 11:22 AM ET

WARSAW (AFP) - Poland's far-right League of Polish Families (LPR), which is part of the coalition government, claims Darwin's theory of evolution is all wrong, that humans lived alongside dinosaurs and that Neanderthal man is still among us.

Last week, Poland's deputy education minister Miroslaw Orzechowski, a member of the LPR, bluntly rejected British naturalist Charles Darwin's theory of evolution by natural selection and his postulate that man is descended from apes.

"The theory of evolution is a lie, a mistake that we have legalised as a common truth," said Orzechowski.

"We must not teach lies, just as we must not teach evil in the place of good and ugliness in the place of beauty."

This weekend, Orzechowski was given some high-level support when European lawmaker for the far-right party, Maciej Giertych -- the father of LPR leader Roman Giertych -- told a seminar that Neanderthal man still roams the planet, notably in the United States where examples can be spotted in a boxing ring.

"A scientist showed me a picture of an American boxer. He had all the traits of Neanderthal man. These people are among us. They are part of the human race, probably more prevalent once upon a time, but who still exist," Giertych, who has a doctorate in biology, told the seminar.

Taking up the mantra of creationists -- who have a strong following among Christian fundamentalists in the United States, but whose theory that God created all living creatures at the same time has not won a huge following in Europe -- Giertych also propounded that man and dinosaurs roamed the earth together.

"Research shows that dinosaurs and man were contemporaries. In every culture, there are indications that we remember (dinosaurs). The Scots have Loch Ness, we Poles have Wawel dragon (in Krakow), Marco Polo spoke of an imperial carriage in China which was pulled by a dragon," Giertych said.

Giertych's son Roman, currently Poland's education ministry, insisted, however, that such anti-Darwinist outlooks would not impact on the school curriculum.

"The status of the theory of evolution will not change in Polish schools," he said Monday in a radio interview.

But he held back from condemning those who have criticised Darwin.

Meanwhile, teachers appear to fear there could be a backlash, with only those who toe the creationist line making it through the selection process in Poland's education system.

Centre-left daily Gazeta Wyborcza reported last week that a high school in the central city of Lodz had removed posters showing the evolution of man from the australopithec to homo sapiens.

Teachers' fears are understandable as LPR has been trying, since it joined the three-way coalition government in May, to stamp its ideology on Poland's education system.

In June, the head of a teacher training school in Poland was fired for publishing the Polish language version of a Council of Europe brochure that the education ministry said encourages contact between pupils and gay groups.

Under Giertych, the education ministry has also tried to take the works of Polish 20th century writer Witold Gombrowicz off the curriculum in Polish high schools, arguing that he was not patriotic enough.

To counter the LPR's anti-Darwin message, Poles have turned to the late pope John Paul II, who in a speech to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences in 1996 said: "Truth cannot contradict truth."

"Today, almost half a century after the publication of the Humani Generis encyclical (in 1950 by Pius XII), new knowledge has led to the recognition of the theory of evolution as more than a hypothesis," John Paul II said.

"It is remarkable that this theory has been progressively accepted by researchers, following a series of discoveries in various fields of knowledge. The convergence, neither sought nor fabricated, of the results of work that was conducted independently is in itself a significant argument in favor of this theory," the pope said.


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KEYWORDS: evolution; giertych; poland
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1 posted on 10/24/2006 10:55:26 AM PDT by lizol
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To: lizol

So where's the pic of Michael Moore?


2 posted on 10/24/2006 10:56:40 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Republican, atheist, pro-life)
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To: Lukasz; Grzegorz 246; Kozik
Neanderthal man walks among us

Oh, definitely! These two are the living proof, that such a statement is right. Far-right :-)))


3 posted on 10/24/2006 10:58:08 AM PDT by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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To: lizol

Well, there are quite a few Neanderthals I have personally met and know; a few even float around on FR. So where's the novelty element?


4 posted on 10/24/2006 10:59:29 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: lizol

Oh, this is going to be a fun thread...


5 posted on 10/24/2006 10:59:32 AM PDT by Thrusher (“There’s nothing like the B-2 when it comes to giving peace a chance.")
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To: MelonFarmerJ; Jan Hus; Little Bill; floridavoter2; PoParma; goarmy; G8 Diplomat; mick; PaulJ; ...
Eastern European ping list


FRmail me to be added or removed from this Eastern European ping list

6 posted on 10/24/2006 10:59:44 AM PDT by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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To: lizol

Yea, it so easy a caveman could do it.


7 posted on 10/24/2006 11:01:07 AM PDT by 2001convSVT ("People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence")
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To: Darkwolf377
very funny,


8 posted on 10/24/2006 11:01:27 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
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To: lizol

Time for lunch. Roast duck/w mango salsa.


9 posted on 10/24/2006 11:03:21 AM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0
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To: lizol
Neanderthal man walks among us

So THAT explains all the smelly hippies.

10 posted on 10/24/2006 11:03:40 AM PDT by Disambiguator (If the Democrats were a stock, I would short them.)
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To: lizol

I'll have the roast duck with the mango salsa...


11 posted on 10/24/2006 11:03:40 AM PDT by null and void (Age and experience -- It makes no sense to get one without the other. - Sundog)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

Darn you!


12 posted on 10/24/2006 11:04:01 AM PDT by null and void (Age and experience -- It makes no sense to get one without the other. - Sundog)
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To: lizol

They came to this conclusion after a Neil Young tour.

13 posted on 10/24/2006 11:04:20 AM PDT by Hacksaw (Don't pick your nose at red lights..)
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To: null and void

I'm not really hungry, thank-you.


14 posted on 10/24/2006 11:07:03 AM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0
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To: 2001convSVT; Dick Vomer

That's soooo condescending.


15 posted on 10/24/2006 11:07:42 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Face it, every empire comes to an end, and ours is on the down hill slope.)
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To: lizol
Neanderthal fossil skulls have bigger brains than modern humans and could be dressed up to look like a corporate executive today instead of the brute we see described by darwinists, either way its a human.
16 posted on 10/24/2006 11:09:08 AM PDT by razzle
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To: lizol

Of course they do, how else can you explain offensive linemen.


17 posted on 10/24/2006 11:10:56 AM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: lizol
"A scientist showed me a picture of an American boxer. He had all the traits of Neanderthal man. These people are among us."

Not only is Giertych wrong, not only is he an idiot, but he also appears to be a racist.

The European "far-right" bears no resemblance to the American right. These people are ultra-nationalists, anti-Semites and racists, with decidedly fascist leanings. They don't believe in individual rights or small government or any of the values normally associated with the American right.

18 posted on 10/24/2006 11:11:04 AM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Dick Vomer

19 posted on 10/24/2006 11:11:46 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: theDentist
LOL!

Now I have that music to that commercial in my head.

What do they call it? An EARWORM?

20 posted on 10/24/2006 11:13:27 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: ichabod1

"Nothing for me. I don't have much of an appetite."

21 posted on 10/24/2006 11:13:30 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (This is no time for bleeding hearts, pacifists, and appeasers to prevail in free world opinion.)
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To: lizol
Centre-left daily Gazeta Wyborcza

Some bright detail out of this story. At least foreign media start to go in good direction calling them more properly. I hate when they are labeled as “newspaper of Polish democratic opposition”

22 posted on 10/24/2006 11:14:41 AM PDT by Lukasz
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To: lizol

John F'n Kerry is a walking 'Neanderthal'.


23 posted on 10/24/2006 11:15:02 AM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: Dick Vomer
I'll have the roast duck with mango sauce ... (said with a large marshmellow in each cheek)

My wife and I say that almost everyday to eachother around dinner tim eand LOL each time. i forget what the first guy ordered and would love to know.

24 posted on 10/24/2006 11:16:51 AM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (If a pug barks and no one is around to hear it... they hold a grudge for a long time!)
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To: null and void

ROTFL, see my post above this. What did the first caveman order? My wife and I can't remember.


25 posted on 10/24/2006 11:17:52 AM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (If a pug barks and no one is around to hear it... they hold a grudge for a long time!)
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To: SunkenCiv; blam

Haul out the "Redheads Are Neanderthals" links, please.....:))


26 posted on 10/24/2006 11:18:26 AM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent.......)
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To: lizol
First!!!!!!!


27 posted on 10/24/2006 11:18:38 AM PDT by D-Chivas
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To: lizol

28 posted on 10/24/2006 11:20:01 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (This is no time for bleeding hearts, pacifists, and appeasers to prevail in free world opinion.)
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To: K4Harty

Only one caveman ordered. The other said he didn't have much of an appetite.


29 posted on 10/24/2006 11:20:40 AM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: K4Harty

Nothing. He didn't have much of an appetite.


30 posted on 10/24/2006 11:21:00 AM PDT by wtc911 (You can't get there from here)
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To: dc-zoo; wtc911

Thank you.


31 posted on 10/24/2006 11:21:53 AM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (If a pug barks and no one is around to hear it... they hold a grudge for a long time!)
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To: K4Harty
What did the first caveman order?

First caveman: "I'll have the roast duck with the mango salsa."

Second caveman: "Nothing for me. I don't have much of an appetite."

Which I always thought was a surprisingly sophisticated put-down...

32 posted on 10/24/2006 11:22:07 AM PDT by null and void (Age and experience -- It makes no sense to get one without the other. - Sundog)
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To: lizol

"Troglodyte"

(As recorded by Jimmy Castor Bunch)
JIMMY CASTOR BUNCH

What we're gonna do right here is go back
Way back into time
When the only people that existed were Troglodytes
Cave men, cave woman, Neadrothol, Troglodytes
Imagine the average cave man at home
Listening to his stereo
Sometimes he'd get up and dance
He'd move something like this "dance dance"
He'd get tired of dancing alone and look in the mirror
And say "gotta find a woman"
"Gotta find a woman, gotta find a woman, gotta find a woman"
Then he'd go down to the lake where all the girls
Would be swimming or washing clothes or something
And he'd grab one by the hair
You can't do that today fellas
'Cause it might come off
You have a hand full of hair
And she'd be swimming away from you
This was a big woman, big
Her name was Bertha, Bertha Butt -- one of the Butt sisters
She looked down on him
And started to crush him
Then she began to play him
He looked up at her and said "sock it to me"
"Sock it to me, sock it to me, sock it to me"
She looked down on him
And said "I'll sock it to you daddy"
And you know what he said
He started it all way back then
I ain't gonna lie to you
He said "right on, right on"
Hot pants, hot pants
Uh uh uh.

(c) Copyright 1972 by Jimpire Music.

- HIT PARADER, October 1972.


33 posted on 10/24/2006 11:22:14 AM PDT by southlake_hoosier (.... One Nation, Under God.......)
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To: razzle
"...neither way it is a human". You omitted "n".
34 posted on 10/24/2006 11:22:41 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: D-Chivas

She is a relation to the Loch Ness monster.


35 posted on 10/24/2006 11:23:56 AM PDT by DarthVader (Conservatives aren't always right , but Liberals are almost always wrong.)
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To: Salamander

Redheads aren't Neanderthals, they are not from this planet. Of course no one as wonderful as a redhead could be from this planet.(just in case the wife is watching)


36 posted on 10/24/2006 11:25:36 AM PDT by sticker
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To: Alter Kaker

Well, look at the picture of the heavyweight boxer Valuev[?]. He's based in the United States, I believe. That skull is most certainly not human, with sloping forehead and brow ridges. So much for the Giertych's racism.


37 posted on 10/24/2006 11:26:11 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: Alter Kaker
Maciej Giertych definitely knows what he's talking about. From his very own experience.

These are pictures of his son, Roman. Any doubts? :-)))










38 posted on 10/24/2006 11:26:22 AM PDT by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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To: ichabod1
I know. The caveman series of commercials are absolutely hilarious, I LOL every time they appear.

Cavemen around the world are insulted when compared to Michael Moore, Helen Thomas, Neil Young and especially John Kerry (did you know that he served in Vietnam?) Cavemen are braver, better looking, smarter, more artistic, and have better table manners!

ROFLMAO

39 posted on 10/24/2006 11:31:36 AM PDT by 2001convSVT ("People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence")
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To: lizol

Who would you rather welcome as a son in law?

40 posted on 10/24/2006 11:33:05 AM PDT by Dutchgirl ([S]tupidity knows no ideology." ---John Fund)
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To: Alter Kaker

These are deep conclussions... from evolution theory to anti-Semitism?


41 posted on 10/24/2006 11:33:42 AM PDT by Lukasz
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To: 2001convSVT

You know, don't you, that "that's sooo condescending" is from one of the earlier Geico Caveman commercials. Delivered with a little snort and an effete toss of the head by the caveman tickling the ivories of the baby grand.


42 posted on 10/24/2006 11:39:24 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Face it, every empire comes to an end, and ours is on the down hill slope.)
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To: lizol

I believe I went out with a couple of Neanderthal women, my first year in college.


43 posted on 10/24/2006 11:41:16 AM PDT by CholeraJoe (USAF Air Rescue "That others may live.")
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To: Salamander

:') Nope, not doin' it. ;')


44 posted on 10/24/2006 11:43:00 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Dhimmicrati delenda est! https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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a tall glass of the usual, please:
The Neandertal Enigma
by James Shreeve
Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]

45 posted on 10/24/2006 11:43:39 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Dhimmicrati delenda est! https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: GSlob
Real Life Neanderthal Comes To America Try his hand at Boxing.

:)

46 posted on 10/24/2006 11:46:42 AM PDT by Lukasz
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To: lizol
A scientist showed me a picture of an American boxer. He had all the traits of Neanderthal man...

Hmmm - I've often said the same thing...

47 posted on 10/24/2006 11:50:59 AM PDT by jonno
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To: ichabod1

somebody wake up on the wrong side of the rock???


48 posted on 10/24/2006 11:52:55 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
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To: SunkenCiv

D'OH!!


49 posted on 10/24/2006 11:58:43 AM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent.......)
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To: Dick Vomer

Yeah that new caveman ad with the split-screen is even more hilarious.


50 posted on 10/24/2006 12:01:23 PM PDT by dc-zoo
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