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Posted on 10/24/2006 4:34:24 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
Doomsday Scenario: 'America Alone'
Monday , October 23, 2006
This is a partial transcript from "The Journal Editorial Report," October 21, 2006, that has been edited for clarity.
PAUL GIGOT, FOX HOST: "America Alone: The End of the World as We Know It" forecasts a dark future in which the nations of Old Europe fall to Islam fundamentalism. And the United States remains the last Western democracy.
Earlier, I spoke to the author, columnist Mark Steyn.
GIGOT: In your book, you write that much of what we loosely call the "Western World will not survive the 21st Century. And much of it will effectively disappear within our lifetimes, including many, if not most, European countries", end quote. That sounds like a doomsday scenario.
MARK STEYN, COLUMNIST AND AUTHOR OF "AMERICA ALONE": It is. I tried to be cheerful. But it is hard to be cheerful about apocalyptic-type stuff. And this is what it is.
Basically, 17 European countries have what demographers call lowest-load fertility, from which no society ever recovered. That means they are basically not having enough babies.
And the way Europe is set up, they have these unsustainable social programs and welfare. And they imported the babies that they didn't have. They imported them essentially from the North Africa and the Middle East.
So we're seeing one of the fastest population transformations in history, whereby an aging ethnic European population is being replaced by a Muslim population. And the Muslims understand that, in fact, Europe, as they see it, is the colony now.
GIGOT: Is there any way that Europe can avoid being Islamacized in this way?
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I think his pessimism for Europe is well founded, but I think Steyn overlooks America's own immigration problems mostly because the majority of the influx is not Muslim.
Yes, Muslims are a diffrrent breed of cat altogether. A whole different animal. The seem to love to kill each other. That's fine as long as we don't get involved.
Thank goodness George W. has dropped all that "stay the course" stuff.
The difference is that Europe's immigrant problem is to the point that it is growing from within Europe. The millions in the USA are hardly a blip on the societal radar. In the USA it is not a multi-generational problem as of yet. The children of immigrants in the USA aspire to be asimilated to a larger degree than in Europe.
Nominally Roman Catholic 89%, Protestant 6%, other 5%.
Mark Steyn ping
You should worry about the creation of a permanent underclass hailing from Mexico. Without assimilation - including renunciation of irridentist claims to the southwestern US, Mexican immigration is a disaster for us and for Mexico.
I must agree with you.
He was on the Bill Bennett show this morning. Sounds likes a good book.
You have a point of course, when the slavs were cut loose after the Civil War they were never assimilated, and now 200 years later many of them still arent.
140 Proof STEYNAHOL!!!
"You have a point of course, when the slavs were cut loose after the Civil War they were never assimilated, and now 200 years later many of them still arent.
That is probably because they are easily recognizable. If they looked the same or similar to everyone else, they would be long since assimilated.
I just do not think that Europe will go muslim. As to why it stops and reverses, I think the EU is due for a Great Awakening of their own, which might have a big effect on the pregnancy rate.
They may also begin a progrom of muslims. It is not as if they haven't done it before and it is a political play that seems to come easy to them.
The world had their Butts kicked by 1941.Germany and Japan
Owned it.Sounds like the same thing to me.We Will Get By .
Make Do With What We Have.I don't see a problem.
Throw Out The UN Now !
I do not think his view of what will happen in Europe is correct.
The Muslims who are there now are living on the labour of Europeans. They do not have the skills to earn a living in a competitive global economy. In fact, they don't even remember how to herd goats and sow millet. What the heck would they do to get by if the Europeans disappeared?
If the Mexican wants a rapid transfer of wealth from the Anglo to him?
I've lived in Europe for half of my adult life. I don't see them reversing this trend. Not in the least. Secularism and nanny state socialism/multiculturalism are too deeply entrenched.
Poland might escape this fate due to the strong influence of the Catholic Church and the relatively robust birth rate. But western Europe and Scandinavia are likely doomed. The Muslims have a huge head start on the baby front--by least one full generation. In the demographics game baby power increases exponentially, not additively.
The European population is rapidly aging, average age almost 30. The average age of the Muslim population in Europe is under 15.
When the social state collapses because there is no one left to support it, the Muslims will not go home. They will take over a rotten, decrepit Europe and turn it into a large Islamic slum.
Europe deserves to be enslaved forever by Islamofascism, as Hashem's punishment for 2000 years of persecution, culminating in the Shoah.
Now, Europe wants Islamists to finish the job of Hitler.
G-d, how I hate f**king Europe. Whatever evil befalls it could never be bad enough.
That's my question - who will send them their welfare check? Where will they cash it?
Well the thugs among them don't mind killing you, or other Hispanic immigrants for that matter. Still most are Christian, mostly but not exclusively Catholic or Evangelicals of various sorts. They tend to have large families, but it's hard to say how long that might last. The same was once true of Irish and Italian immigrants as well, but isn't any more (for the most part). And most, more so in Texas, less so in "welfare haven" California, come to work, and do.
I agree with sgtbono2002 - they (south of the border) are not out to kill us. At least not yet.
The followers of Allah are taught from get go that it is necessary to kill the infidels.
Just look at the motivating factors....
The Mexicans (or any illegal group) want to get here why?
To get a better life.
Islam flat out vows to kill us because of who we are. No if's / and's / but's. They are driven to kill any non-beliver.
At least the Mexicans believe in the same God I do. Or at least don't vow to kill me.
It looks pretty hopeless - the majority of european women are getting past the child bearing age - so even if they wanted to save part of their civilization, it would be too late.
Europe will have the feel of a poor Muslim country...soon.
Without sand, it might be harder to bury the women up to their waist when they need to be stoned to death, but other than that, it'll be the same...
Ever been there?
Does Fox News have any proofreaders?
The sooner we realize it, and discontinue fawning on the "world community", the better off we will be.
I've always wondered about this reconquista thing. Suppose they did take over the US govt with their numbers. Just like the Clintonites marveled at "THEIR" air force planes that they "acquired" control over in 1992, in the very worst case where the Mexicans take over, what would they do?
Cede land back to Mexico at that point? Duh.
Hell, they're gonna annex Mexico! Imagine what that would do to OSHA, the EPA, the IRS for the interim! They'd be so busy chasing the corruption in Mexico that us gringo's would be able to flourish! (/positive thinking)
If we gave Mexico all of the Southwest and formed new borders, within 5 years we would have the same problems.
The sooner we realize it, and discontinue fawning on the "world community", the better off we will be"
Hey don't let John Kerry hear you say that.
Living in Latin America is not the worst thing. And Spanish is a nice language with good literature and poetry.
Assimilation is not enough, Europe to survive needs mass conversions and more native children.
Society without religion or children is doomed.
"Society without religion or children is doomed". You are exactly right. But if people really assimilate and have religion to guide them and children, it is a good thing. Our problem here in America is that fewer and fewer people know what it means to be an American and really appreciate what made this country.
Actually, it's almost impossible for it to be incorrect. The bodies are already in place. Europe is already a Muslim continent. You are assuming that Steyn thinks the Muslims will continue Europe's prosperity. They won't. They are a zero sum culture with no idea whatsoever how to have a wealth-producing society. They will trash Europe, just as they trashed every place else they dominate.
Food for thought. How do we move the treasures of the Louve out of France before the Muslims burn them?
C'mon, that's not fair. Every immigrant I know wants their kids to do better and their grandkids to do even better. The Mexican immigrants I work with hustle like crazy. They are starting to own businesses which the next generation will grow to even larger enterprises with their college educations. It's been proven over and over in this country.
Proofreaders? No, but good Chellspeckers. Or possibly a product of the public education system doing the proofreading that really thinks it is the "Iran Curtain."
NOW I get it!
I thought at first "What the heck were the Slavs doing fighting in the Civil War?"
I think that you need a little time out. Last I noticed the Bible Hispanics read is the same one I read and it doesn't mention killing Gringos. This Reconquista stuff is way overblown preached lefty little morons and believed by no one.
Hey I was trying to figure that one out too! LOL! Then I sort of decided it must be a civil war in some other country.
Believe it or not, the word slave was supposedly derived from the word Slav. It was originally used to describe Slavs who were being imprisoned as 'Slaves'. I think it was the Romans who were 'enslaving' them at the time. So we did not call them 'slaves' before that time. And I do have 37.5 % Slav in me, according to my latest research.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus