U.S.,Iraqi Forces Raid Radical Shiite Stronghold (sparks big battle)

AP ^ | Wednesday, October 25, 2006 | AP

[VxH]

See, now those guys would be right at home in supermax cells. They could flog themselves to their hearts content.

[VxH]

[Is anything really preventing a schizophrenic from improving their own options? ]

 

Non-sequitur.
Define schizophrenia as it applies to the population in question.

 

These "Militias" are nothing but gang-bangers with better support. 

 

You mentioned "Lord of the Flies" -  Great illustration that Tribal Fascism is inherant in human nature.

 

Iraq needs law and order - with consequences.

 

That's why they've gone after the police.    They don't want to live in a republic. 

 

They want us all to live in a tribal fascist theocracy.

 

[sam_paine]

Non-sequitur. Define schizophrenia as it applies to the population in question.

There's no need to call me latin names! Everything I write will get some such nomenclature thataway!

What I was trying to say, I suppose, was that I'm beginning to wonder if this "population in question" is really capable of popping out of their Islamist psychosis just because the US Army opened the asylum gates. Kinda thataway of an analogy.

I had previously thought, as I think Bush did, that these people were merely innocent, otherwise 'normal' human hostages imprisoned by Saddam against their natural will to seek liberty and freedom. Now I wonder if they aren't imprisoned more deeply in something for which sunlight of freedom and personal liberty is merely unsettling and frightening and unpleasant and flat out unwanted. As it might be if you were to thrust a mental patient that has become well adjusted to his long time treatment and surroundings, out into the middle of Manhattan during 9/11 and say "Enjoy your freedom!"

[VxH]

[I had previously thought, as I think Bush did, that these people were merely innocent, otherwise 'normal' human hostages imprisoned by Saddam against their natural will to seek liberty and freedom.]

 

Well, they ~were~ dependant upon a social  structure that was modeled after Sadam's favorite movie - "The Godfather".

 

Those who had power want it back.  No big surprise there.   

 

The top of the pyramid needs to be leveled and the masses at the bottom need something, something other than hating the Great Satan, to live for.  

 

There are two basic instincts we should be capitalizing upon -

 

The instinct for survival and the instinctive love for one's own children.

 

These people need jobs so they - and their children - become dependent upon a new structure - a new structure that ensures the "certain basic rights" of all citizens.

 

Those who violate the rights of other citizens go to Jail.

 

Yes, we are the police.   It is what it is.

 

[sam_paine]

There are two basic instincts we should be capitalizing upon - The instinct for survival and the instinctive love for one's own children.

Damn. Pictures of young suicide bombers lead me to believe that too many of them have neither of those instincts.

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[Pictures of young suicide bombers lead me to believe that too many of them have neither of those instincts.]

 

My guess would be the individual in the  photo is a Palestinian.   Doesn't realy matter.  The photo serves to illustrate the extremism present in a percentage of the popluation.   Religious cults are like that - Just ask Vernon Wayne Howell.

 

I don't believe the majority of the Iraqi population exhibits such behavior.

 

Like the gang-bangers here in the States, the offenders make up a small percentage of the overall population.

 

Also, unlike the Palestinian situation, we intend to give the country back to the people who live there.

 

How many suicide bomber Kurds have we seen?