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Powerful winter storm prompts blizzard watch ( no global warming )
The Mountain Mail ^ | 10/25/2006 | Jason Starr and C. Kolomitz

Posted on 10/25/2006 8:48:42 AM PDT by george76

Passes closed...about two weeks earlier than normal.

Early snow shuts down Independence, Cottonwood.

Winter weather will return to Colorado later today and Thursday as a powerful Pacific storm moves into the state prompting forecasters with the National Weather Service to issue a variety of watches and advisories.

All of Southeastern Colorado is under a blizzard watch beginning at 9 p.m. today continuing through 5 p.m. Thursday.

A winter storm watch covers the Sangre de Cristo Mountains and the Wet Mountains where up to a foot of snow may fall and wind gusts could reach 40 miles per hour.

A snow and blowing snow advisory covers the Sawatch Range and mountains west and north of the Upper Arkansas River Valley.

Trail Ridge Road along U.S. 34 through Rocky Mountain National Park also closed for the season Monday. The passes usually reopen in May.

(Excerpt) Read more at themountainmail.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Miscellaneous; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: anthropogenic; anthropogenicforces; blizzard; blizzardwatch; global; globalwarming; warming
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No global warming here.

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1 posted on 10/25/2006 8:48:43 AM PDT by george76
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To: XeniaSt; jan in Colorado

2 posted on 10/25/2006 8:49:56 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

Independence Pass has to be the most beautiful places on earth. Wish I was there now! A bit of a scare if you are driving. But Beautiful.


3 posted on 10/25/2006 8:53:09 AM PDT by JFC (Conservatives, you are either with us or against us)
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To: george76
You clearly don't understand -- it's not the warming that's the only problem, it's the extremes of weather that will get worse as anthropogenic forces cause climatic changes.

Good is bad.
hot is cold.

Don't try to confuse and agenda with facts ;-p
4 posted on 10/25/2006 8:53:56 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: george76

Record highs caused by global warming. Record lows caused by global warming. Droughts caused by global warming. Floods caused by global warming. Hurricanes caused by global warming. Lack of hurricanes caused by global warming. Incredibly, the public is supposed to believe the "scientists" who have blind faith in this specious theory and continue to fund their unscientific research. They have a preconceived answer to all climate change: the US is at fault.


5 posted on 10/25/2006 8:56:07 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: Blueflag

This is so confusing...

Good is bad.
hot is cold.


6 posted on 10/25/2006 9:00:34 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

No global warming here.

Try again.

Warmer Oceans means stronger troughs over the continents hence colder winters and hotter summers.

Although you should also note this is weather which does not necessarily have a direct correlation to climate. Even deserts get rain storms.


7 posted on 10/25/2006 9:03:01 AM PDT by The_Repugnant_Conservative
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To: george76
LOL... first thing I thought of was... 'The Shining'...
8 posted on 10/25/2006 9:03:01 AM PDT by johnny7 (“And what's Fonzie like? Come on Yolanda... what's Fonzie like?!”)
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To: kittymyrib
They have a preconceived answer to all climate change: the US is at fault.

And, of course, it's all the fault of President Bush and his EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEvil mastermind, Karl Rove.

9 posted on 10/25/2006 9:03:32 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: kittymyrib
You've summed it up nicely.
10 posted on 10/25/2006 9:09:07 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: JFC

--until you get to the Aspen city limits, I agree with you--


11 posted on 10/25/2006 9:09:56 AM PDT by rellimpank (-don't believe anything the MSM states about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: george76
That wonderful scene in in Chaffee County.

Thanks for the heads up


12 posted on 10/25/2006 9:14:51 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 144:1 Praise be to YHvH, my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle.)
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To: The_Repugnant_Conservative

Warmer Oceans means stronger troughs over the continents hence colder winters and hotter summers.

OOPs.

Mystery of Missing Heat: Upper Ocean has cooled slightly in recent years.

Between 2003 and 2005, the top layers of the world's oceans cooled slightly, but scientists aren't sure where the heat went.

According to climate data gathered worldwide, 2003, 2004, and 2005 are three of the five warmest years since reliable record keeping of global air temperatures began more than a century ago. However, oceanographic surveys suggest that on average, the upper 750 meters of the world's ice-free oceans cooled about 0.03°C during that 3-year period.


13 posted on 10/25/2006 9:18:18 AM PDT by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it.)
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To: george76
Oh good, this means we get to skip this stupid Halloween and go right to celebrating Christmas since it's snowing, right? I'll put on some Christmas music!
14 posted on 10/25/2006 9:18:38 AM PDT by Esther Ruth
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To: george76
No global warming here.

Didn't you get the memo? The proper term is now Climate Change, not Global Warming. This way everything that happens can be blamed on Bush and big business. Droughts, blizzards, you name it.

15 posted on 10/25/2006 9:20:36 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("Dogs look up to us, cats look down on us and pigs treat us as equals" Winston Churchill)
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To: XeniaSt

Thank you.


16 posted on 10/25/2006 9:23:09 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Esther Ruth

There are three ski areas now open.

all early openings


17 posted on 10/25/2006 9:24:30 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: jalisco555
"If it supports my argument, it confirms the trend; if it undermines my argument, it's an aberration."
18 posted on 10/25/2006 9:24:39 AM PDT by talleyman (Kerry & the Surrender-Donkey Treasoncrats - trashing the troops for 40 years.)
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To: jalisco555

This would be a good time for Gore to have another conference/fund raiser.

Either here or Buffalo

/s


19 posted on 10/25/2006 9:25:49 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: talleyman
"If it supports my argument, it confirms the trend; if it undermines my argument, it's an aberration."

Yup. And the Left tells us that Climate Change is a settled issue. All real scientists agree. No need for further study. Me must act now!

20 posted on 10/25/2006 9:26:18 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("Dogs look up to us, cats look down on us and pigs treat us as equals" Winston Churchill)
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To: Esther Ruth
Oh good, this means we get to skip this stupid Halloween and go right to celebrating Christmas since it's snowing, right? I'll put on some Christmas music!

No need to skip Halloween.

Just strike a compromise by watching The Nightmare Before Christmas.


BUMP

21 posted on 10/25/2006 9:26:48 AM PDT by capitalist229 (Get Democrats out of our pockets and Republicans out of our bedrooms.)
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To: george76
Either here or Buffalo

Yeah, but a blizzard in October is evidence of climate change, even in Buffalo. Proves Al Gore's point. Of course, if the weather was warm in October instead it would also prove his point. See how great their logic is? Everything proves their point.

22 posted on 10/25/2006 9:29:07 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("Dogs look up to us, cats look down on us and pigs treat us as equals" Winston Churchill)
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To: jalisco555

" Everything proves their point..."

Gore and friends !!


23 posted on 10/25/2006 9:31:25 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: maggief
 

24 posted on 10/25/2006 9:35:21 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

There is a neg PNA right now, which leads to more western snow than has occurred of late.


25 posted on 10/25/2006 9:35:46 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: johnny7

It does look like 'The Shining'...


26 posted on 10/25/2006 9:37:11 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Blueflag

Cats and dogs, sleeping together... /ghostbusters


27 posted on 10/25/2006 9:37:36 AM PDT by MortMan (I was going to be indecisive, but I changed my mind.)
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To: Blueflag
Around here, we shoot varmits who use the word "anthropogenic"!
28 posted on 10/25/2006 9:52:00 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (ˇSalga de los Estados Unidos de América, invasor!)
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To: george76

My son is guiding a couple elk hunters on the far side of Kebbler Pass in Gunnison County. I hope he gets home without too much difficulty.


29 posted on 10/25/2006 9:55:34 AM PDT by Nakota
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To: george76
Will there be snow in Bedford Falls George?
30 posted on 10/25/2006 9:56:43 AM PDT by Esther Ruth
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To: Nakota
They may have to wait until friday when the storm passes.

He probably is well equipped to ride it out.
31 posted on 10/25/2006 9:58:05 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Esther Ruth

" Will there be snow in Bedford Falls ?"

Yes.


32 posted on 10/25/2006 9:59:07 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

In Colorado, we play baseball in blizzards. Yes, that's snow.

33 posted on 10/25/2006 10:06:30 AM PDT by Semi Civil Servant (Colorado: the original Red State.)
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To: jalisco555

Now amended to 'disruptive climate change', after the kooks took the heat for failing to realize the climate has never been static, AND we have to add "man-made".

Their real issue is that we humans have to stop doing what we do to change the climate, because everything we do is bad.

OK, essentially they are climatic xenophobes.


34 posted on 10/25/2006 10:20:02 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: george76

Sayeth the weather man in Cleveland, Ohio a few years ago, "Today, we had 8-10 inches of global warming..."


35 posted on 10/25/2006 10:40:18 AM PDT by meyer (A vote for amnesty is a vote against America.)
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To: meyer

Nice :

"Today, we had 8-10 inches of global warming..."


36 posted on 10/25/2006 10:41:17 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
Watch now a warning ...

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_4546900


Blizzard warning for tonight
By DenverPost.com
Article Last Updated:10/25/2006 11:20:22 AM MDT
37 posted on 10/25/2006 10:47:08 AM PDT by maggief
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To: Blueflag; george76
Good is bad.
hot is cold.

Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Isaiah 5:20

And to think, we were warned about liberals way back in the Old Testament!

38 posted on 10/25/2006 10:56:49 AM PDT by jan in Colorado (Don't be a "Cut and Run" Republican. INCREASE the Republican majority! VOTE 'R')
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To: george76
Boy I bet it is real nice on the Tooth of Time ridge at Philmont right now. I can only imagine the view. The Sangre de Cristo Mountains are a beautiful place to behold.
39 posted on 10/25/2006 11:37:10 AM PDT by reagandemo (The battle is near are you ready for the sacrifice?)
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To: george76
Oil reaches $100 benchmark because speculators discover there is winter!
40 posted on 10/25/2006 12:27:49 PM PDT by sully777 (You have flies in your eyes--Catch-22)
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To: ancient_geezer

Upper 750 Meters of Ocean temp.

The waater below a few meters does not have a direct effect on weather pattern formation.

NOAA's National Climate Data Center is idicating that we have warming of the Oceans surface.
e.g. Globally averaged ocean surface temperatures were 0.44°C (0.79°F) above the 1880-2002 mean, second warmest for January-October 2003.

January-September 2006 Global
Ocean +0.43°C (+0.77°F)

Raw data by month since 1880 is here.
ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/anomalies/monthly.ocean.90S.90N.df_1901-2000mean.dat

You can plot the trend line and the global surface temperature change is pretty obvious.


41 posted on 10/25/2006 1:52:56 PM PDT by The_Repugnant_Conservative
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To: george76

I have a 'friend' in upstate NY and in an email the other day she commented on the snow in Buffalo and said it was due to Global Warming; that GW is causing all the extremes of hot and cold on the earth. I didn't even bother with a response. There is no talking to people who think this way.


42 posted on 10/25/2006 2:07:38 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: The_Repugnant_Conservative

You can plot the trend line and the global surface temperature change is pretty obvious.

What isn't obvious from that trendline is the effect of Solar Activity on cloud cover through modulation of Cosmic Ray flux with rising ocean tempertures since the maunder minimum as activity increased and cosmic ray flux decreased.

Solar Activity just topped out at its 8000 year peak in 2003, apparently starting its downside by 2004. Factors pointing to increasing low level cloud cover from here on out reflecting solar radiation back to space with consequent lower ocean heating. The leading edge of temperature decline showing up in upper level ocean currents 2004 b 2005 as pointed out.

Refer:

Effect of Solar Activity on lower level cloud cover: http://spacecenter.dk/xpdf/influence-of-cosmic-rays-on-the-earth.pdf
Solar Activity forcasts: http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/10may_longrange.htm

In short, the causal chain giving rise to increased surface and ocean temperatures is reversing.

43 posted on 10/25/2006 4:43:48 PM PDT by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it.)
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To: Arizona Carolyn
I have a 'friend' in upstate NY and in an email the other day she commented on the snow in Buffalo and said it was due to Global Warming; that GW is causing all the extremes of hot and cold on the earth. I didn't even bother with a response. There is no talking to people who think this way.

Actually I just agree with those people. I tell them that Bush is doing exactly what I voted for him to do. He's keeping the snow in Buffalo, the hurricanes in the Gulf, the earthquakes on the west coast and the terrorists in the Middle East.

44 posted on 10/25/2006 4:54:47 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (The Program is Morally Good)
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To: Arizona Carolyn
" the snow in Buffalo and said it was due to Global Warming;

that GW is causing all the extremes of hot and cold on the earth..."


45 posted on 10/25/2006 4:55:36 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: SamAdams76; Grampa Dave

LOL.

" I tell them that Bush is doing exactly what I voted for him to do.

He's keeping the snow in Buffalo, the hurricanes in the Gulf, the earthquakes on the west coast and the terrorists in the Middle East."


46 posted on 10/25/2006 4:57:56 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: SamAdams76

47 posted on 10/25/2006 5:01:29 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: ancient_geezer

....In short, the causal chain giving rise to increased
....surface and ocean temperatures is reversing.


You are assuming 100% of heating is the result of deviation in Solar Influx. Therefore the atmoispheric resisistance to transmission of IR is required to be a constant independent of trace gas concentration. QED it ain't.

Solar influx is only part of the equation for heating. Most recent data I have seen suggests it is responsible for about half of what we see to date.


48 posted on 10/26/2006 7:18:00 AM PDT by The_Repugnant_Conservative
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To: The_Repugnant_Conservative

You are assuming 100% of heating is the result of deviation in Solar Influx.

Wrong, I am going by the fact that cosmic ray influx, modulated by the solar magnetic field, is causing a variation in cloud cover and hence albedo of the earth reflecting solar energy away from the earth's surface.

 

Clouds have been observed from space since the beginning of the 1980's. By the mid 1990's, enough cloud data accumulated to provide empirical evidence for a solar/cloud-cover link. Without the satellite data, it hard or probably impossible to get statistically meaningful results because of the large systematic errors plaguing ground based observations. Using the satellite data, Henrik Svensmark of the Danish National Space Center in Copenhagen has shown that cloud cover varies in sync with the variable cosmic ray flux reaching the Earth. Over the relevant time scale, the largest variations arise from the 11-yr solar cycle, and indeed, this cloud cover seemed to follow the cycle and a half of cosmic ray flux modulation. Later, Henrik Svensmark and his colleague Nigel Marsh, have shown that the correlation is primarily with low altitude cloud cover. This can be seen in fig. 3.


Figure 3: The correlation between cosmic ray flux (orange) as measured in Neutron count monitors in low magnetic latitudes, and the low altitude cloud cover (blue) using ISCCP satellite data set, following Marsh & Svensmark, 2003.
The solar-activity – cosmic-ray-flux – cloud-cover correlation is quite apparent. It was in fact sought for by Henrik Svensmrk, based on theoretical considerations. However, by itself it cannot be used to prove the cosmic ray climate connection. The reason is that we cannot exclude the possibility that solar activity modulates the cosmic ray flux and independently climate, without any casual link between the latter two. There is however separate proof that a casual link exists between cosmic rays and climate, and independently that cosmic rays left a fingerprint in the observed cloud cover variations.

 

Solar influx in the form of radiant energy is the lesser factor providing heat, but the variation in cloud cover (albedo) causing a much larger effect in reflecting Solar radiation back into space before ever heating the surface to excite CO2 in the first place.

Therefore the atmoispheric resisistance to transmission of IR is required to be a constant independent of trace gas concentration.

Hmmm, it is not I assuming anything.

The direct radiant effects of IR are negligible in comparison to Solar Activity, and thermal retention characteristics o CO2 increase in proportion to the exponential increase of carbon dioxide, (i.e. atmosphere only increases ~0.2oK for each doubling of atmospheric concentration).

I would point out the models you are basing your assumptions on are flawed in assuming a feedback that has never been demonstrable by physical measures of the atmosphere;

"the direct radiative effects of doubled CO2 can cause a maximum surface warming [at the equator] of about 0.2 K, and hence roughly 90% of the 2.0-2.5 K surface warming obtained by the GCM is caused by atmospheric feedback processes described above."
--- "Increased Atmospheric CO2: Zonal and Seasonal Estimates of the Effect on the Radiation Energy Balance and Surface Temperature" (V. Ramanathan and M. S. Lian), J. Geophys. Res., Vol. 84, p. 4949, 1979.

Where not even the sign of such hypothesized feedback has not been determined and in fact may not exist to increase or decrease thermal variations of any factor much less that of CO2.

In short, no or negative feedback and CO2 is a negligible factor in variation, while variation of atmospheric due to cloud variation is a very real and demonstable phenomena.

 

QED, Your apriori assumptions on which your thesis of global warming due to increasing atmospheric CO2 concentration is based, has no demonstrable existance.

 

CO2-Temperature Correlations

[ see also: Indermuhle et al. (2000), Monnin et al. (2001), Yokoyama et al. (2000), Clark and Mix (2000) ]

[see: Petit et al. (1999), Staufer et al. (1998), Cheddadi et al., (1998), Raymo et al., 1998, Pagani et al. (1999), Pearson and Palmer (1999), Pearson and Palmer, (2000) ]

 

Global warming and global dioxide emission and concentration:
a Granger causality analysis

http://isi-eh.usc.es/trabajos/122_41_fullpaper.pdf

  •  "We find, in opposition to previous studies, that there is no evidence of Granger causality from global carbon dioxide emission to global surface temperature. Further, we could not find robust empirical evidence for the causal nexus from global carbon dioxide concentration to global surface temperature."

49 posted on 10/26/2006 8:33:15 AM PDT by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it.)
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To: The_Repugnant_Conservative

Most recent data I have seen suggests it is responsible for about half of what we see to date.

The only "data" you have seen is out of date as well as from flawed computer models, not from any emperical measures of any greenhouse effects of variation in atmospheric CO2. Such have never been shown to be a causative or even have a long term correlation except as a lagging effect of atmospheric temperature variations due to other causative factors such as Solar Activity, variations in Earth's orbit, variations in albedo due to external factor unrelated to dioxide emissions.

50 posted on 10/26/2006 8:42:56 AM PDT by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it.)
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