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Duke Univ. President insults players' families
http://forums.talkleft.com/index.php?topic=465.0 ^ | Oct. 25, 2006

Posted on 10/25/2006 10:50:12 AM PDT by CondorFlight

3."Colin Finnerty’s parents contacted (Duke Univ. President) Brodhead to ask for permission to transfer credits from other colleges. . . Brodhead refused to meet with them despite several requests. Finally, the person in charge of the annual giving program told Brodhead that, unless he agreed to see the Finnerties, he would resign. Only then did Brodhead agree to meet them. In the meeting, Brodhead remained intransigent and he and Mrs. Finnerty got into terrible argument. The Finnerties walked out because Brodhead started insulting them."

(excerpt from a statement at Talk Left by an offical spokesman for Friends of Duke Univeristy)

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1 posted on 10/25/2006 10:50:13 AM PDT by CondorFlight
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To: CondorFlight
OK. I may be missing something, but why should the president of a university meet with a student or his family members about whether credits from another university will be accepted at Duke? Aren't there usually academic handbooks that lay out the criteria on the transfer of credits?
2 posted on 10/25/2006 10:54:37 AM PDT by HaveHadEnough
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To: CondorFlight

Duke was fast to put the players up for sacrafice. But now it looks as the case is a total farce, Duke still won't do anything for the players. What a disgrace. Who would want to send their children to a university that treats its students like this?


3 posted on 10/25/2006 10:56:09 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: HaveHadEnough

"but why should the president of a university meet with a student or his family members about whether credits from another university will be accepted at Duke?"

"Both Colin and Reade Seligmann are taking classes this semester at colleges near their homes. However, Duke will not let them transfer more than two courses so they are unable to keep up with their studies while suspended unless they get permission to transfer more. "

Duke would not allow the transfer, and so they had to ask for that permission.


4 posted on 10/25/2006 10:58:50 AM PDT by CondorFlight
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To: CondorFlight
"The Finnerties walked out because Brodhead started insulting them."

High-ranking academic dorks routinely insult students and their families all the time.

5 posted on 10/25/2006 11:00:46 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: CondorFlight

This is from a third rate democrat party blog whose despicable, evil readership is irate that the blatantly framed Duke lacrosse players are getting even a hint of justice.


6 posted on 10/25/2006 11:01:27 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember
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To: HaveHadEnough
OK. I may be missing something, but why should the president of a university meet with a student or his family members about whether credits from another university will be accepted at Duke?

IMHO, Duke sacrificed these kids to try to protect its own imagine. Duke should have put some political pressure on the DA office once it became apparent that the case had no merits, which was actually pretty early on. These kids lives have been torn apart, and Duke should do whatever they can to accommodate them.

7 posted on 10/25/2006 11:02:12 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: FormerACLUmember

The statement also makes note :

"There has not been a single note, card or other expression of kindness from anyone in the Duke administration to any of the three accused students."


8 posted on 10/25/2006 11:02:38 AM PDT by CondorFlight
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To: CondorFlight

Only thing they're guilty of is being white.


9 posted on 10/25/2006 11:03:29 AM PDT by TracyTucson (Teachers : Overpaid and Underworked........ Eliminate > ADA, EOE, NLRB, SS, DOE)
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To: Always Right

Hey - Duke had every right to expel those students! And they only suspended them which is not inappropriate simply for the illegal drinking party they held! Personally I'd be less inclined to send my kids there if they hadn't suspended the players simply for the boozing! quit your hand-wringing!


10 posted on 10/25/2006 11:04:50 AM PDT by flyingtabby
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To: flyingtabby
Hey - Duke had every right to expel those students!

Not without some form of due process (at least an administrative hearing). Under which, the university would need to discuss the totality of the evidence - unless they want to be subject to a HUGE lawsuit later on.

On what basis could they be expelled? Being accused?

Now THAT's justice! /sarcasm

11 posted on 10/25/2006 11:11:56 AM PDT by MortMan (I was going to be indecisive, but I changed my mind.)
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To: CondorFlight

If this situation is not resolved to the students' satisfaction, I would recommend taking it up with the school's alumni association. Nothing will do more to light a fire under the @ss of a school president than a fear that wealthy alumni might put away their checkbooks during the school's next annual fund-raising effort.


12 posted on 10/25/2006 11:18:43 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: flyingtabby
"Hey - Duke had every right to expel those students!"

For what, being the victims of a dumb prosecutor who used them to get reelected? Surely you are not saying students should be expelled for drinking. If so them there would be very, very few college students, and most of the professors would be fired for drinking. Drinking is NOT a sin? Getting drunk is another matter.
13 posted on 10/25/2006 11:21:07 AM PDT by YOUGOTIT
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To: CondorFlight

As someone who has a relative on the Duke team, I can personally attest to the disgraceful and shabby treatment giving to the players by the feckless administratio. "Duke Lax Guts"..says it all..


14 posted on 10/25/2006 11:22:50 AM PDT by dcowboy
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To: flyingtabby
Hey - Duke had every right to expel those students! And they only suspended them which is not inappropriate simply for the illegal drinking party they held!

If every university expelled every student who went to a drinking party, there would not be many students left in college. For good or ill (ill, IMHO), drinking is ubiquitous on US university campuses.

As to why the parents were meeting with the University President, I would imagine these students petitioned to have excess units transferred, and their case got kicked up the ladder, for obvious reasons. No low-level flunky is going to intervene in this dog's breakfast of a case if they can get the boss to make the call. And up the ladder it goes.

15 posted on 10/25/2006 11:23:12 AM PDT by gridlock (The 'Pubbies will pick up at least TWO seats in the Senate and FOUR seats in the House in 2006)
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To: MortMan

Good point


16 posted on 10/25/2006 11:23:37 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: flyingtabby

illegal drinking party they held!.


Have they been accused of this? Thats news to me. BTW the party was at an off campus apartment. Duke U. has no jurisdiction there.

I dont know about you but a lot of people in college go to frat parties and they aren't sipping Kool Aid.


17 posted on 10/25/2006 11:32:53 AM PDT by pblax8
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To: Always Right

Hey, he doesn't have to meet with them, it's not like they're basketball players or someone important!!! (sarcasm off).


18 posted on 10/25/2006 11:58:07 AM PDT by perez24 (Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap.)
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To: flyingtabby
flyingtabby
Since Aug 14, 2006


Hey - Duke had every right to expel those students!
Because ............ why?
BTW "flyingtabby" - have you seen any Viking kitties? Meow ...
19 posted on 10/25/2006 12:03:55 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: TracyTucson

If past history is of any significance heaven help them if they are Jewish. Duke was famous at one time for it's Jewish quota.


20 posted on 10/25/2006 12:20:13 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist
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To: perez24

Nobody on the Duke basketball team would have actually spend $800 to see some girl-girl action.


21 posted on 10/25/2006 12:35:05 PM PDT by Canali
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To: CondorFlight
Duke would not allow the transfer, and so they had to ask for that permission.

I understand, but they have to meet with the president of the university? If the rule is that two courses can be transferred, then two courses can be transferred. What is there to ask?
22 posted on 10/25/2006 1:36:37 PM PDT by HaveHadEnough
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To: pblax8

Here's a link to their policies. And, since they are, after all, a private (as opposed to a state school) they can take a LOT of latitude in terms of suspension or expulsion of students. If you read thru the stuff, it does say the students cannot engage in disruptive behavior off-campus. Etc. Etc. Etc. In other words, they have covered their behinds pretty well in terms of whether or not they can kick someone out for illegal activities, on campus or off campus, with or without administrative hearings.........you need to click on sidebar links to read further, but they really DO have the right to expel the students if they so choose.
http://judicial.studentaffairs.duke.edu/policies/policy_list/alcohol.html


23 posted on 10/25/2006 1:45:10 PM PDT by flyingtabby
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To: flyingtabby
Hey......time to head back to the dims website, where your intelligence will certainly be welcomed.
24 posted on 10/25/2006 2:24:29 PM PDT by newcthem (Brought to you by the INFIDEL PARTY)
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To: HaveHadEnough
I understand, but they have to meet with the president of the university? If the rule is that two courses can be transferred, then two courses can be transferred. What is there to ask?

Ask for an exception, because it is an exceptional situation.

25 posted on 10/25/2006 2:32:37 PM PDT by cryptical (Wretched excess is just barely enough.)
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To: CondorFlight
This is not surprising, colleges have been doing this to parents for years.

Why we put up with this crap is beyond me.

26 posted on 10/25/2006 2:33:57 PM PDT by pray4liberty (School District horrors: http://totallyunjust.tripod.com)
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To: CondorFlight

There will be none. There will be nothing even if the boys are cleared of all charges. The School Districts and Colleges will never admit foul, nor will they say another word about it. They will vigorously fight any lawsuit and defend their position. You all must accept that. It is up to Duke Alumni to pressure for any type of change, barring that, tuition may rise, but no doubt they have some type of insurance for any malfeasance. If more suits are filed, they will be unable to obtain insurance. That's the way of the world.


27 posted on 10/25/2006 2:44:17 PM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: CondorFlight
I hope they taped those insults. Bill O'Reilly would have a field day.

Parents get treated like this at the high schools too. Some of these administrators simply do not have good manners and cannot control their tempers. They make life just awful for the decent teachers out there who are doing their best to educate our children.

28 posted on 10/25/2006 2:44:17 PM PDT by pray4liberty (School District horrors: http://totallyunjust.tripod.com)
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To: MortMan

The moment charges are filed, they must suspend pending investigation and resolution. Those are the guidelines across the board. What they didn't have to do is chop wood and add it to the blaze.


29 posted on 10/25/2006 2:45:59 PM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: CondorFlight

You take a man's name, you take his livelihood.


30 posted on 10/25/2006 2:52:09 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Constitutions Grandchild
Since the alleged victim was not a student at Duke I seriously doubt that Duke was required to suspend the accused 3 from attending class, from La Crosse I can see. The meeting was not concerning the suspension anyway, it was about Duke accepting transfer credits earned during the suspension.
31 posted on 10/25/2006 2:58:00 PM PDT by thinkthenpost
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To: CondorFlight

Brodbutthead has got to go! This guy is a world class creep!


32 posted on 10/25/2006 3:23:39 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: newcthem

Like it or not, I'm simply pointing out the truth of the matter. Private universities such as Duke may suspend and/or expel students at their own discretion. I am not saying this is necessarily the correct course of action, simply that they are within their rights to do so.


33 posted on 10/25/2006 4:00:31 PM PDT by flyingtabby
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To: flyingtabby
Hey - Duke had every right to expel those students!

I hear that JC Penney is having a special on jackboots this weekend. You ought to check it out.

I suppose you're not entirely wrong since Duke is a private university, IIRC. That doesn't change the fact that it's a tacky, mean spirited thing to do. Brodhead ought to be ashamed of himself, but the man is so crass that he probably isn't.
34 posted on 10/26/2006 6:54:53 AM PDT by JamesP81 (Rights must be enforced; rights that you're not allowed to enforce are rights that you don't have.)
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To: thinkthenpost
Two different things here. Suspension is mandatory for all public institutions (to protect the student population) while an investigation is pending or felony charges have been filed -- doesn't matter if the person arrested was arrested on school property or doing something on the other side of town. The trigger here is the "felony" designation which is why a felonious crime must be alleged in the scam cases.

As to meeting with the parents, we, too, suffered the ostracism and refusal to meet. We were told by the School Administration not to set foot on campus. I don't know what the motivation for being a total jerk would be, I suspect it's something to do with breeding, however, I could be wrong and they're worried about vigilante parents coming in and wiping out the student body and administration. After the latest deals in Colorado and Pennsylvania, they wouldn't be out of line for thinking that.
35 posted on 10/26/2006 11:22:41 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: TracyTucson

Well, don't forget they are rich too. I suppose their parents should have drown them in a bucket when they were born.


36 posted on 10/26/2006 1:39:34 PM PDT by jennyd
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To: JamesP81

The advantage of Duke being a private university is that, should the board decide they don't like the way the situation was handled, they can give Broadhead the boot. The ultimate decision maker is going to be the big money contributors. If they like how it was handled, Broadhead stays. If not, he'll be kissing his presidency goodbye real fast........


37 posted on 10/26/2006 7:12:59 PM PDT by flyingtabby
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To: Always Right

Duke University has been disgraceful in its response to this situation. I would like to caution anyone from believing that the situation would be much different at any other "top tier" college or university.

For years, feminist student organizations and feminist faculty have made colleges unsafe for men unless they are very, very cute. (Cute guys don't get on the wrong side of women very often, no matter how outrageous their behavior.) Regular guys are getting thrown out of school or otherwise punished for the most incredibly minor offenses, particularly for offensive language.

To give you an example, I had a friend thrown out of a graduate program for asking a girl to go to dinner. The faculty reasoning was that she already had a boyfriend, the graduate student should have known that she was not interested, and therefore pursuing the relationship was unprofessional and harrassing. Of course, my friend was a clueless, total loser and knew nothing about dating, girls, boyfriends, or anything else. Three years of his life went down the drain for cluelessness.

How I got a degree is a anybody's guess, since I am definately not cute and I am definately a loudmouth.

Anyhow, if the rape charges come to nothing, Duke may make some superficial comments supporting the boys, but there will be disciplinary action taken against them for the drinking and alleged racial slur.

Feminist and racial activists have very loud voices and white guys don't count for much around Duke.

Parents: Send your kids somewhere else. I'm not kidding. Risks are different for girls, but not any better. "Top tier" universities and liberal arts schools get the most promising kids in the country and are toxic for a large percentage of them.


38 posted on 10/30/2006 10:27:08 PM PST by VaFarmer
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