Skip to comments.Duke Univ. President insults players' families
Posted on 10/25/2006 10:50:12 AM PDT by CondorFlight
3."Colin Finnertys parents contacted (Duke Univ. President) Brodhead to ask for permission to transfer credits from other colleges. . . Brodhead refused to meet with them despite several requests. Finally, the person in charge of the annual giving program told Brodhead that, unless he agreed to see the Finnerties, he would resign. Only then did Brodhead agree to meet them. In the meeting, Brodhead remained intransigent and he and Mrs. Finnerty got into terrible argument. The Finnerties walked out because Brodhead started insulting them."
(excerpt from a statement at Talk Left by an offical spokesman for Friends of Duke Univeristy)
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Duke was fast to put the players up for sacrafice. But now it looks as the case is a total farce, Duke still won't do anything for the players. What a disgrace. Who would want to send their children to a university that treats its students like this?
"but why should the president of a university meet with a student or his family members about whether credits from another university will be accepted at Duke?"
"Both Colin and Reade Seligmann are taking classes this semester at colleges near their homes. However, Duke will not let them transfer more than two courses so they are unable to keep up with their studies while suspended unless they get permission to transfer more. "
Duke would not allow the transfer, and so they had to ask for that permission.
High-ranking academic dorks routinely insult students and their families all the time.
This is from a third rate democrat party blog whose despicable, evil readership is irate that the blatantly framed Duke lacrosse players are getting even a hint of justice.
IMHO, Duke sacrificed these kids to try to protect its own imagine. Duke should have put some political pressure on the DA office once it became apparent that the case had no merits, which was actually pretty early on. These kids lives have been torn apart, and Duke should do whatever they can to accommodate them.
The statement also makes note :
"There has not been a single note, card or other expression of kindness from anyone in the Duke administration to any of the three accused students."
Only thing they're guilty of is being white.
Hey - Duke had every right to expel those students! And they only suspended them which is not inappropriate simply for the illegal drinking party they held! Personally I'd be less inclined to send my kids there if they hadn't suspended the players simply for the boozing! quit your hand-wringing!
Not without some form of due process (at least an administrative hearing). Under which, the university would need to discuss the totality of the evidence - unless they want to be subject to a HUGE lawsuit later on.
On what basis could they be expelled? Being accused?
Now THAT's justice! /sarcasm
If this situation is not resolved to the students' satisfaction, I would recommend taking it up with the school's alumni association. Nothing will do more to light a fire under the @ss of a school president than a fear that wealthy alumni might put away their checkbooks during the school's next annual fund-raising effort.
As someone who has a relative on the Duke team, I can personally attest to the disgraceful and shabby treatment giving to the players by the feckless administratio. "Duke Lax Guts"..says it all..
If every university expelled every student who went to a drinking party, there would not be many students left in college. For good or ill (ill, IMHO), drinking is ubiquitous on US university campuses.
As to why the parents were meeting with the University President, I would imagine these students petitioned to have excess units transferred, and their case got kicked up the ladder, for obvious reasons. No low-level flunky is going to intervene in this dog's breakfast of a case if they can get the boss to make the call. And up the ladder it goes.
illegal drinking party they held!.
Have they been accused of this? Thats news to me. BTW the party was at an off campus apartment. Duke U. has no jurisdiction there.
I dont know about you but a lot of people in college go to frat parties and they aren't sipping Kool Aid.
Hey, he doesn't have to meet with them, it's not like they're basketball players or someone important!!! (sarcasm off).
If past history is of any significance heaven help them if they are Jewish. Duke was famous at one time for it's Jewish quota.
Nobody on the Duke basketball team would have actually spend $800 to see some girl-girl action.
Here's a link to their policies. And, since they are, after all, a private (as opposed to a state school) they can take a LOT of latitude in terms of suspension or expulsion of students. If you read thru the stuff, it does say the students cannot engage in disruptive behavior off-campus. Etc. Etc. Etc. In other words, they have covered their behinds pretty well in terms of whether or not they can kick someone out for illegal activities, on campus or off campus, with or without administrative hearings.........you need to click on sidebar links to read further, but they really DO have the right to expel the students if they so choose.
Ask for an exception, because it is an exceptional situation.
Why we put up with this crap is beyond me.
There will be none. There will be nothing even if the boys are cleared of all charges. The School Districts and Colleges will never admit foul, nor will they say another word about it. They will vigorously fight any lawsuit and defend their position. You all must accept that. It is up to Duke Alumni to pressure for any type of change, barring that, tuition may rise, but no doubt they have some type of insurance for any malfeasance. If more suits are filed, they will be unable to obtain insurance. That's the way of the world.
Parents get treated like this at the high schools too. Some of these administrators simply do not have good manners and cannot control their tempers. They make life just awful for the decent teachers out there who are doing their best to educate our children.
The moment charges are filed, they must suspend pending investigation and resolution. Those are the guidelines across the board. What they didn't have to do is chop wood and add it to the blaze.
You take a man's name, you take his livelihood.
Brodbutthead has got to go! This guy is a world class creep!
Like it or not, I'm simply pointing out the truth of the matter. Private universities such as Duke may suspend and/or expel students at their own discretion. I am not saying this is necessarily the correct course of action, simply that they are within their rights to do so.
Well, don't forget they are rich too. I suppose their parents should have drown them in a bucket when they were born.
The advantage of Duke being a private university is that, should the board decide they don't like the way the situation was handled, they can give Broadhead the boot. The ultimate decision maker is going to be the big money contributors. If they like how it was handled, Broadhead stays. If not, he'll be kissing his presidency goodbye real fast........
Duke University has been disgraceful in its response to this situation. I would like to caution anyone from believing that the situation would be much different at any other "top tier" college or university.
For years, feminist student organizations and feminist faculty have made colleges unsafe for men unless they are very, very cute. (Cute guys don't get on the wrong side of women very often, no matter how outrageous their behavior.) Regular guys are getting thrown out of school or otherwise punished for the most incredibly minor offenses, particularly for offensive language.
To give you an example, I had a friend thrown out of a graduate program for asking a girl to go to dinner. The faculty reasoning was that she already had a boyfriend, the graduate student should have known that she was not interested, and therefore pursuing the relationship was unprofessional and harrassing. Of course, my friend was a clueless, total loser and knew nothing about dating, girls, boyfriends, or anything else. Three years of his life went down the drain for cluelessness.
How I got a degree is a anybody's guess, since I am definately not cute and I am definately a loudmouth.
Anyhow, if the rape charges come to nothing, Duke may make some superficial comments supporting the boys, but there will be disciplinary action taken against them for the drinking and alleged racial slur.
Feminist and racial activists have very loud voices and white guys don't count for much around Duke.
Parents: Send your kids somewhere else. I'm not kidding. Risks are different for girls, but not any better. "Top tier" universities and liberal arts schools get the most promising kids in the country and are toxic for a large percentage of them.