A Return to Triangulation (libertarion vs social right)

National Review Online ^ | 10/25/06 | David Boaz & David Kirby

[Blackirish]

As the Republican base fragments and Christian conservatives consider a “fast” from politics, the polling data point to a mid-term Republican thumping. Less than two weeks from now, Republicans will begin their post-mortem soul searching. And as the corpses of their House and Senate majorities grow cold, so should Karl Rove’s 2006 campaign strategy.

[Bigh4u2]

"One World Goverment is the goal and America must be destroyed to achieve that end."

I think you will see another 'civil war' before that happens.

[MineralMan]

One wonders what Dracian's name was the last time he was booted.

[RockinRight]

There's no reason we can't co-exist. If Union thugs and enviroweenies can co-exist in the Democrap Party then the religious right can co-exist with the "small l" libertarians.

[MineralMan]

Oops. Forgot to ping you in the message above. Sorry.

[Dominic Harr]

I meant actually physically banned from posting.

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Just for disagreeing? Or did they get out of hand?

I hold some positions pretty heretical to Social Conservatives, and have debated them here on FR.

I've never been banned. But I always try my best to be careful not to get personal.

[Dracian]

I confess: I am a libertarian-conservative. Do your worst. :-)

[Dead Corpse]

I've been purged? Aawww man...

[Beagle8U]

Libertarians have a few planks in their platform that fit well in a conservative Republican platform.

Evidence of that is that Libertarians often vote for Republicans to have any chance to move those issues forward.( taxes, property rights, gun ownership).

If Libertarians (at best) make up 15% of the Republican vote, it is a fools errand for them to attempt to take on the Religious Christians that make up 85% of the entire American population.

If Libertarians want queer marriage, legal drugs, abortion, high taxes, banned guns, no property rights, and a expanded Federal Government, they can vote for the RATS.

Its the Libertarian's choice to determine the issues in their platform that mean most to them. Its not up to Republicans to change to accommodate radical ideas to appease them.

You can't blame Republicans for some of the nutball things in the Libertarian platform.

[DoctorMichael]

The Repub party needs to go back to it's roots of limited government and personal responsabilty.

I agree completely!

Also important to saving the Pubbies is the spouting of ID/Creationist nonsense, Intelligently Designed to destroy and discredit the Conservative Movement.

[antiRepublicrat]

If "libertarian" means it's a-okay to tear babies limb from limb by abortion, and that man marrying man equals many marrying woman, please count me out!

Of course all libertarians aren't united in their views, but going with the basic philosophy, abortion is wrong because it is violence against another human being. Gay marriage is solved because the government shouldn't be in the marriage business anyway. Sure, let people do civil unions for tax (although that mostly goes away with a Fair Tax) and other legal purposes, but true marriages (heart and soul under the deity of your choice) are up to the churches, mosques, covens, etc.

[antiRepublicrat]

If Libertarians want queer marriage, legal drugs, abortion, high taxes, banned guns, no property rights, and a expanded Federal Government, they can vote for the RATS.

The first one's been taken care of. Legal drugs are a consequence of less power to the government and more to the people (with personal responsibility). High taxes, gun banning, restrictions on property rights and expanded federal government are all anathema to libertarians.

[MEGoody]

As the Republican base fragments and Christian conservatives consider a “fast” from politics

Chicken Little, is that you?

[MEGoody]

You wouldn't know that from Free Republic

That's because it's likely an incorrect number.

[guitarist]

It's a bit bogus to say that libertarian principles forbid the death penalty. The government can't execute someone. Okay, but why can the government lock a guy in prison for 50 years and control his private life? If the latter is extreme though okay, the first has to be, too.

[MEGoody]

I meant actually physically banned from posting.

Yeah, right. Prove it.

[Blackirish]

Chicken Little, is that you?

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No I'm not afraid of limited government and looking after my own business...are you?

[Beagle8U]

Their platform contains the ideas of the far ends of both major party's. That might be why they are at a loss to get over 1% of the vote?

[Eva]

Before I go and read the whole article, I have to know if the definition of triangulation as being between libertarian and the social right is yours or theirs. I always thought that triangulation was Clinton term for threading the needle between the left and the middle, a sort of domestic form of the "Third Way".

[truth_seeker]

"I am a libertarian conservative..."

That means something to you, apparently. But to others, it means little.

For or against illegal immigration?
For or against abortion?
For or against war in Iraq?
For or against Patriot Act?
For or against legalization of drugs?

[itsahoot]

You wouldn't know that from Free Republic where the fundies have purged so many conservative-libertarians in their attempts to "purify" the party

I think you view is the exact opposite of the reality. I have been here long enough to know the difference.