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Patricia Heaton, Sports Stars Rebut Michael J. Fox on Missouri Stem Cell Ad
lifenews.com ^ | 25 Oct 2006 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 10/26/2006 12:27:10 AM PDT by Notwithstanding

Pro-life advocates in Missouri have prepared a response ad to one that actor Michael J. Fox has made in numerous states that contains misleading information about pro-life candidates and their views on stem cell research. The new ads feature St. Louis Cardinals pitcher Jeff Suppan and stars Jim Caviezel of "The Passion of Christ."

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A new study by Steven Goldman and colleagues at the University of Rochester Medical Center finds embryonic stem cells cause tumors when inserted into rats that have Parkinson's.

As a result, patients like Fox would likely be killed or face severe problems if treated with embryonic stem cells.

(Excerpt) Read more at lifenews.com ...


TOPICS: US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: adultstemcells; cloning; congress; election; elections; embryonicstemcells; humancloning; jeffsuppan; jimcaviezel; jimtalent; lifenews; michaeljfox; missouri; patriciaheaton; prolife; senate; stemcell; stemcellresearch; stemcells; talent
Related web sites:

Amendment 2 video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nguJQ_dRPXw

Missourians Against Human Cloning

http://www.nocloning.org

1 posted on 10/26/2006 12:27:12 AM PDT by Notwithstanding
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Clickable link to YouTube video that responds to Fox's ad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nguJQ_dRPXw


2 posted on 10/26/2006 12:30:24 AM PDT by GretchenM (What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? Please meet my friend, Jesus.)
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To: Notwithstanding
Amendment 2 video

Missourians Against Human Cloning

Benefits of Stem Cells to Human Patients

Adult Stem Cells v. Embryonic Stem Cells
Download This List
Peer-Reviewed References (not a complete listing, sample references)

Adult Stem Cells

Embryonic Stem Cells

    Cancers:

  1. Brain Cancer
  2. Retinoblastoma
  3. Ovarian Cancer
  4. Skin Cancer: Merkel Cell Carcinoma
  5. Testicular Cancer
  6. Tumors abdominal organs Lymphoma
  7. Non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma
  8. Hodgkin’s Lymphoma
  9. Acute Lymphoblastic Leukemia
  10. Acute Myelogenous Leukemia
  11. Chronic Myelogenous Leukemia
  12. Juvenile Myelomonocytic Leukemia
  13. Chronic Myelomonocytic Leukemia
  14. Cancer of the lymph nodes: Angioimmunoblastic Lymphadenopathy
  15. Multiple Myeloma
  16. Myelodysplasia
  17. Breast Cancer
  18. Neuroblastoma
  19. Renal Cell Carcinoma
  20. Various Solid Tumors
  21. Soft Tissue Sarcoma
  22. Ewing’s Sarcoma
  23. Waldenstrom’s macroglobulinemia
  24. Hemophagocytic lymphohistiocytosis
  25. POEMS syndrome
  26. Myelofibrosis

    Auto-Immune Diseases

  27. Systemic Lupus
  28. Sjogren’s Syndrome
  29. Myasthenia
  30. Autoimmune Cytopenia
  31. Scleromyxedema
  32. Scleroderma
  33. Crohn’s Disease
  34. Behcet’s Disease
  35. Rheumatoid Arthritis
  36. Juvenile Arthritis
  37. Multiple Sclerosis
  38. Polychondritis
  39. Systemic Vasculitis
  40. Alopecia Universalis
  41. Buerger’s Disease

    Cardiovascular

  42. Acute Heart Damage
  43. Chronic Coronary Artery Disease

    Ocular

  44. Corneal regeneration

    Immunodeficiencies

  45. Severe Combined Immunodeficiency Syndrome
  46. X-linked Lymphoproliferative Syndrome
  47. X-linked Hyper immunoglobulin M Syndrome

    Neural Degenerative Diseases and Injuries

  48. Parkinson’s Disease
  49. Spinal Cord Injury
  50. Stroke Damage

    Anemias and Other Blood Conditions

  51. Sickle Cell Anemia
  52. Sideroblastic Anemia
  53. Aplastic Anemia
  54. Red Cell Aplasia
  55. Amegakaryocytic Thrombocytopenia
  56. Thalassemia
  57. Primary Amyloidosis
  58. Diamond Blackfan Anemia
  59. Fanconi’s Anemia
  60. Chronic Epstein-Barr Infection

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  61. Limb Gangrene
  62. Surface Wound Healing
  63. Jawbone Replacement
  64. Skull Bone Repair

    Other Metabolic Disorders

  65. Hurler’s Syndrome
  66. Osteogenesis Imperfecta
  67. Krabbe Leukodystrophy
  68. Osteopetrosis
  69. Cerebral X-Linked Adrenoleukodystrophy

    Liver Disease

  70. Chronic Liver Failure
  71. Liver Cirrhosis

    Bladder Disease

  72. End-Stage Bladder Disease

NONE

Peer-Reviewed References (not a complete listing, sample references)

The Facts - Prentice, D. "Adult Stem Cells" Appendix K in Monitoring Stem Cell Research: A Report of the President's Council on Bioethics (Washington, DC: Government Printing Office, 2004), 309-346.


3 posted on 10/26/2006 12:32:31 AM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: Notwithstanding

Michael J. Fox was caught in a despicable display and it's on film for the world to see. Basically he was whoring himself for his Democrat cronies! Trying to create sympathy from the public. USING his illness to generate votes!

He didn't take his medicine so he could be worst than he NORMALLY IS, so people will want to vote for stem cell research! Then when he's caught with his proverbial pants down, he goes on tv and says something about he "guesses he forgot to take his pills that day".

Inside Edition uncovered interviews where he states he's done that before. Even when he's gone before the congress!

Pretty grotesque if you ask me! That would be like having a hemophilliac not take his coagulation medication before testifying. Let congress watch the person nearly bleed to death before the tv camera's! Garner all the sympathy you need, then pray like mad you can stop the bleeding before it's too late!

Better yet... maybe pro-lifers should show an aborted fetus on the floor! Perhaps then we can get some change done by congress!

Maybe ole' Michael is on to something! Even better still, lets make sure Michael is there to watch it, after all, he thinks those little cells that turn into a child are worth his pathetic sorry arse!


4 posted on 10/26/2006 12:44:11 AM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Notwithstanding

Jim Caviezel, Jeff Suppan, Mike Sweeny, Kurt Warner, and Patricia Heaton. That is the kind of star power the good guys need! Knowing many Missourians, I think this ad wll resonate.


5 posted on 10/26/2006 12:47:11 AM PDT by Lexinom (www.VoteYesForLife.com -- the only chance?)
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To: Notwithstanding

bttt


6 posted on 10/26/2006 12:54:15 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: Notwithstanding
Conservative celebrities! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
7 posted on 10/26/2006 12:56:01 AM PDT by marsh_of_mists
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To: Lexinom

So much for the Dems fantasy about the "religious right" staying home on election day. They just made sure with the phony Fox ad that an issue dear to Christian hearts will be front and center and push them to the polls. Thanks libs for shooting yourselves in the foot once again. Losers!


8 posted on 10/26/2006 1:14:16 AM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: Notwithstanding

I guess you could consider Fox a RAT.....so maybe that is what his symptoms were, TUMORS on the brain!


9 posted on 10/26/2006 1:14:51 AM PDT by AZRepublican ("The degree in which a measure is necessary can never be a test of the legal right to adopt it.")
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To: over3Owithabrain

I just hope they can afford to run it again during a game that ISN'T rained out... I want my wife's friends and their families to see it.


10 posted on 10/26/2006 1:18:34 AM PDT by Lexinom (www.VoteYesForLife.com -- the only chance?)
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To: AZRepublican

Lets not stoop down to the level of the democrat party!

Just remmeber the good ole days when he protrayed Reagan-loving Alex P. Keaton on "Family Ties".


11 posted on 10/26/2006 1:19:23 AM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: Lexinom
One of the good guys.

Patricia Heaton

12 posted on 10/26/2006 1:22:09 AM PDT by Navy Patriot
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To: Notwithstanding

bump for later reading.


13 posted on 10/26/2006 1:37:31 AM PDT by MissouriConservative (People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid - Kierkegaard)
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To: Notwithstanding

OK...I am going to be oh so blasted for this, but I found the commericial boring. I had to watch it twice just to understand what they were saying and the production was so cheap looking that if they spent more than 20 dollars for it they got ripped. You know I am all for rebuttle on statements that are false, but couldn't they have done a better job. I find it truly hard to believe that people are saying it was a great commerical. Are you serious or am I just crazy. Either way as long as the point gets across that is most important.


14 posted on 10/26/2006 1:41:28 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Navy Patriot

Succulent!


15 posted on 10/26/2006 2:17:07 AM PDT by Jazzman1 (l)
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To: napscoordinator
OK...I am going to be oh so blasted for this, but I found the commericial boring. I had to watch it twice just to understand what they were saying and the production was so cheap looking that if they spent more than 20 dollars for it they got ripped. You know I am all for rebuttle on statements that are false, but couldn't they have done a better job. I find it truly hard to believe that people are saying it was a great commerical. Are you serious or am I just crazy. Either way as long as the point gets across that is most important.

The fact that it looked cheap presumably is because it was put together very quickly so as to have an immediate retort to the dishonest and exploitive ad by Fox. That the producers of this ad were able to get such big names to accept and participate so quickly (obviously the Kurt Warner portion was a quick but definitive statement using the camcorders limited microphone) makes this ad very powerful. In fact the productional beauty of the Fox commercial comes off just as it is - slick production values to covered adorn a specious presentations. The counter ad is a no-frills, star-powered and heartfelt ad. More honest and more effective.

Therefore this ad rocks!

16 posted on 10/26/2006 2:21:19 AM PDT by torchthemummy (Abortion: One Dead, One Wounded)
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To: napscoordinator
Naps, that is exactly what Madison Avenue is all about. We have to be smart enough to hear the message and look beyond the glitter of the ad. Your question begs another: why did the MJF ad cost more than $20.? All he did was sit and talk. I was taken back by the degeneration of his health. It saddens me. His message is still about embryonic stem cells. Should an adult stem cell research cure him tomorrow, would he still support ESC experiments? I think so.
17 posted on 10/26/2006 2:36:18 AM PDT by healy61
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To: Jazzman1

patricia heaton was on everybody loves raymond....but....

everybody loves patricia!!!!!


and you are right.....Very Succulent!


18 posted on 10/26/2006 3:25:02 AM PDT by hnj_00
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To: All

bookmark


19 posted on 10/26/2006 3:49:40 AM PDT by GOP_Proud (How covert was Valerie Plame at the CIA? Her top-secret code name was "Valerie Plame." ...Coulter)
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To: Navy Patriot

Thanks for that picture. She is one very attractive lady, and brains to boot.


20 posted on 10/26/2006 4:50:47 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 ("I don't know how anyone can go to Church on Sunday, and vote for a democrat the following Tuesday.")
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To: Navy Patriot

Patricia's such a babe!


21 posted on 10/26/2006 4:57:36 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God." (Psalm 53:1))
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To: Navy Patriot
One of the good guys.

Or two.

22 posted on 10/26/2006 5:32:40 AM PDT by Dilbert56
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To: Notwithstanding
"As a result, patients like Fox would likely be killed or face severe problems if treated with embryonic stem cells."

As Earl would say: "Karma".

23 posted on 10/26/2006 5:35:27 AM PDT by RabidBartender (Save the cheerleader, save the world.)
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To: Notwithstanding
Anyone watch O'Reilly last night?

Laura Schwartz, the smarmy 'Democratic Stragegist' made the bald-faced assertion the 'all scientits agree' that adult stem cells will not work as therapy.

I can't decide if it was just ignorance or outright lying.

24 posted on 10/26/2006 5:42:04 AM PDT by CaptRon (Pedecaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: Notwithstanding

There seems to be a lot of confusion among celebrities and athletes in regard to taking a stand on complex scientific, political, geo-political and economic issues.

So, I've divided the issues and advocates up into categories.

ECONOMICS
Rock Stars
Retired actors
Talk show hosts

SCIENCE
Sit-com actors
Football, baseball and soccer players
The insurance company lizard and other mascots
Relatives of famous people

NATIONAL SECURITY
Stand up comics
Comedy writers
Movie directors/producers

NATIONAL DEFENSE
Easy listening radio station DJs
Actors grossing more than $100 mil in last three pictures
That weird looking kid who was in Jerry McGuire


25 posted on 10/26/2006 5:49:00 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: Navy Patriot

Looks like she's sportin' TWO good guys.


26 posted on 10/26/2006 5:50:01 AM PDT by linda_22003
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To: Navy Patriot

yummy!


27 posted on 10/26/2006 6:04:07 AM PDT by ustanker (Vote on the 7th)
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To: Notwithstanding

The link below is an interesting one with interviews with Fox and Ali.

http://www.veotag.com/player/Default.aspx?pid=b48abfb4-aa12-43e5-99e2-1bf3a47fa464


28 posted on 10/26/2006 6:17:09 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist Homosexual Lunatic wet dreams posing as journalism)
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To: Notwithstanding

http://abortiontv.com/Misc/Embryonic_Stem_Cell%20Research_Tumors%20.htm



Embryonic Stem Cell Research Causes Tumors, New Study Shows
by Steven Ertelt
LifeNews.com Editor
October 23, 2006

Rochester, NY (LifeNews.com) -- Scientists working with embryonic stem cell research on animals reconfirmed what pro-life advocates have been saying for years about it. Researcher Steven Goldman and colleagues at the University of Rochester Medical Center said injecting embryonic stem cells into the brains of patients with Parkinson's disease would cause tumors.

Goldman's research team has been injecting the controversial cells into rats that have the disease and the cells turned into tumors afterwards.

The scientists explained their findings in an article in the latest issue of Nature Medicine. They said the embryonic stem cell injections helped some of the rats but some of the cells started growing in a manner that would eventually lead to a tumor. "The behavioral data validate the utility of the approach. But it also raises a cautionary flag and says we are not ready for prime time yet," Goldman told the Washington Post.

He conceded that considerably more research would need to be done to determine whether the tumor problems could ever be overcome. Parkinson's is a disease where dopamine-releasing cells in the brain die out, which leads to muscle dysfunction and can eventually cause paralysis. The goal of stem cell research in Parkinson's is to replace the dead cells with stem cells that form into new dopamine cells. Goldman's team used human embryonic stem cells obtained by killing days-old unborn children that were grown in a special chemical used to coax them into becoming brain cells.

The team killed the rats before they could determine that the tumors that appeared to be growing actually finished appearing and they said that any embryonic stem cell treatments on humans, which has never been tried, would have to be closely monitored. Some autopsies on the rats found tumors and that the embryonic stem cells began to grow uncontrollably rather than becoming the dopamine cells as intended. Another team led by Ole Isacson, a Harvard Medical School professor of neuroscience and neurology, published similar results earlier this month in the online journal Stem Cells and found that the embryonic stem cells also produced tumors.

Adult stem cells have not had the same problems and have been used successfully to treat dozens of diseases and conditions. But scientists have said they don't think embryonic stem cell research will lead to a cure for Parkinson's. University of Melbourne Emeritus Professor of Medicine Thomas Martin told Australian lawmakers recently that he did not think that embryonic stem cell research would even lead to cures for major diseases such as diabetes or Parkinson's.

Martin, an internationally recognized Fellow of the Royal Society, said the embryonic stem cells produced from human cloning would have the same problems.


29 posted on 10/26/2006 6:33:54 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist Homosexual Lunatic wet dreams posing as journalism)
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To: Notwithstanding

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1726267/posts

The Wrong Tree Embryonic stem cells are not all that.
http://www.nationalreview.com/ ^ | May 13, 2004, 8:58 a.m. | Wesley J. Smith


Posted on 10/26/2006 7:32:20 AM PDT by Grampa Dave


http://www.nationalreview.com/script/printpage.p?ref=/comment/smith200405130858.asp

May 13, 2004, 8:58 a.m. The Wrong Tree Embryonic stem cells are not all that.

By Wesley J. Smith

Once again the media are trumpeting the call among many in Congress, pushed by millions in Big Biotech lobbying money, for President Bush to reverse his decision to limit federal funding of embryonic-stem-cell research (ESCR) to those lines already in existence on August 9, 2001. Fronted this time by the grief-stricken Nancy Reagan, and boosted by Hollywood celebrities such as Christopher Reeve, Michael J. Fox, and Mary Tyler Moore, we are warned darkly, as a recent New York Times editorial put it, that the existing federal-funding restrictions "are so potentially damaging to medicine" that the administration is encountering opposition to its policy even among its "own conservative supporters."

We have heard this mantra many times before but repetition does not make it true. A great deal has been learned about the potential of regenerative medicine since President Bush reached his "compromise" decision ending the stem-cell debate of 2001. And indeed, perhaps the time has come for us to revisit this issue, albeit from a different angle than suggested by ESCR boosters. Perhaps the problem with the Bush plan isn't that it provides too little federal money for ESCR, but too much — at least if our national goal is to find cures to diseases such as Alzheimer's, diabetes, and Parkinson's in the shortest period of time.

The media is so excited about the supposed potential of embryonic stem cells that it gives far too little attention to the many and serious problems associated with this potential source of regenerative medicine. Listening to the hype, one might think that ESCR is on the verge of tremendous success. But the hard truth is that it does not appear likely that embryonic stem cells will soon become the panacea that fervid supporters of the research often claim. For example:

In animal studies, embryonic-stem-cell treatments have been found to cause tumors. In one mouse study involving an attempt to treat Parkinson's-type symptoms, more than 20 percent of the mice died from brain tumors — this despite researchers reducing the number of cells administered from the usual 100,000 to 1,000.

Tissue rejection is another major hurdle to the use of embryonic stem cells in medical treatments. This is why ESCR is known as the gateway to human cloning, since one proposed way out of this potential dilemma is to create cloned embryos of patients being treated as a source of stem cells, a process known as "therapeutic cloning." Not coincidentally, many of the same proponents who are now urging increased funding for ESCR also advocate that we legalize and publicly fund therapeutic-cloning research, which many find immoral because it creates cloned human life for the sole purpose of experimentation and destruction.

Besides being immoral, therapeutic cloning also looks to be wildly impractical. For example, a recent report published by the National Academy of Sciences warned that it could cost in the neighborhood of $200,000 just to pay for the human eggs to derive one cloned human embryonic-stem-cell line.

The above is an excerpt. Please go to the full thread for an excellent rebuttal to Fox and the other lying liberals:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1726267/posts


30 posted on 10/26/2006 7:37:48 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist Homosexual Lunatic wet dreams posing as journalism)
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To: Notwithstanding
A real Good Guy
31 posted on 10/26/2006 7:39:46 AM PDT by rightinthemiddle (Without the Media, the Left and Islamofacists are Nothing.)
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To: Navy Patriot

32 posted on 10/26/2006 7:44:29 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: Notwithstanding

What the Heck Is Jim Caveziel Saying in That Video? [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

The Corner can end all suspense and officially confirm that in the commericial airing in St. Louis tonight Jim Caveziel says in Aramaic, "You betray me with a kiss." (Which is what a few readers, including one Aramaic student told The Corner last night.) As one source working to defeat Amendment 2 in Missouri explains (and if you've read Yuval Levin, our editorial, or any of my pieces on the issue you know this already): "It refers to the promises made on page one of the amendment that are betrayed on page 5. On page one Amendment 2 promises to ban human cloning and this is betrayed on page 5 where human cloning is enshrined in the Missouri constitution."

http://corner.nationalreview.com/


33 posted on 10/26/2006 7:45:49 AM PDT by Republican Red (if you don't want to root for the home team then get the hell out of the stadium)
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To: GretchenM; HarleyD; Frumanchu; Forest Keeper; wmfights; Gamecock; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; ...

Great commercial. Everyone should see this.

Missouri, don't be fooled like California where six BILLION dollars of taxpayers' money was approved to fund voodoo science that is really just another route toward state-supported abortion.


34 posted on 10/26/2006 10:09:33 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
My sources from Washington University in St. Louis, endowed by the Danforth Foundation, which will benefit financially if this Amendment 2 is passed, say that it has moved its embryonic stem cell research facilities to undisclosed locations, and that the real goal of their SCNT research is to work out the difficulties regarding cloning an embryo, then a fetus, then a human being for the purpose of harvesting body parts for the rich and famous in search of living longer lives --- Orwellian but True.

These people need to be stopped dead in their tracks --- Now not Later !!!!!

Vote: NO on Amendment 2

35 posted on 10/26/2006 11:41:18 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (That all may come to the knowledge of the truth, no matter how painful)
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To: Uncle Chip

"...the real goal of their SCNT research is to work out the difficulties regarding cloning an embryo, then a fetus, then a human being for the purpose of harvesting body parts..."
_______________________________

Think we're getting closer to the end of the end times?

As I understand it, the success with stem cells is with adult stem cells, such as those taken from cord blood, and embryonic stem cells have not been useful because they tend to mutate.


36 posted on 10/26/2006 11:58:38 AM PDT by wmfights (Psalm : 27)
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To: wmfights

That is exactly what they know and it is even true with this SCNT research. But they suspect that this SCNT research is the doorway to "eternal life" --- Let's see if Missourians will wake up and wise up for God's sake !!!!


37 posted on 10/26/2006 12:04:34 PM PDT by Uncle Chip (That all may come to the knowledge of the truth, no matter how painful)
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To: Uncle Chip; HarleyD; Gamecock; Frumanchu; Forest Keeper; wmfights; nobdysfool; topcat54; ...
Bump to post #35. This is no Michael Crichton movie. This is real-life cannibalism.

Vote: NO on Amendment 2

Amen!

38 posted on 10/26/2006 12:27:48 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Navy Patriot

That Patricia babe rocks. Hooray for her for fighting so courageously.


39 posted on 10/26/2006 12:36:07 PM PDT by blitzgig
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To: Jazzman1; hnj_00; Arrowhead1952; reagan_fanatic; Dilbert56; linda_22003; ustanker; Hatteras; ...
Hey guys,

I chose a more modest photo. Patricia IS a babe, talented, and it appears she thinks well on political and social issues. Maybe we can engage her and have another Bo Derek for our side. Conservative babes always are better looking than "theirs", so let's get 'em to join for their ideas and input as well as the eye candy.

40 posted on 10/26/2006 2:44:31 PM PDT by Navy Patriot
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To: Uncle Chip; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; Gamecock; Frumanchu; wmfights; nobdysfool; topcat54; ...
(THANKS for the ping Dr. E. !!!)

My sources from Washington University in St. Louis, endowed by the Danforth Foundation, which will benefit financially if this Amendment 2 is passed, ...

I didn't know that Danforth's foundation was going to profit from this. What a WORM he has turned out to be.

I just found some new polling data. On October 12, our side was getting crushed 57%-27%, with 16% undecided. Now with all the ruckus, as of Tuesday the numbers had improved to 45% for and 36% against, with 18% undecided. Obviously, this is a HUGE trend in our favor. Now, if the Lord will grant us a few minutes without rain so that the new ad can air for the game ..... OTOH, maybe God is bringing us the rain to delay the ad so more national publicity can be raised, thus more Missourians will be paying attention. In any case, we need everyone's prayers that God will deliver our state from becoming the "Clone-Me" state.

41 posted on 10/26/2006 3:18:01 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (Vote NO on MO Amend. 2. Out-of-staters, come to St. Louis to make sure your vote counts!)
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To: Forest Keeper
In any case, we need everyone's prayers that God will deliver our state from becoming the "Clone-Me" state.

Prayers and more prayers, FK.

This "amendment" is a travesty against God and against the authority of civil government. To change the state constitution for something like cloning and stem cell cannibalism is debauchery.

I pray Missouri will not fall for this garbage.

42 posted on 10/27/2006 12:32:13 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Thank you. I think that our side has the big "MO" in MO right now. I just hope it's enough. I'm afraid that I'm going to be forced to watch the game tonight, just to see if there are any new ads. :)
43 posted on 10/27/2006 5:18:53 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (Vote NO on MO Amend. 2. Out-of-staters, come to St. Louis to make sure your vote counts!)
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To: Notwithstanding

http://www.stemcellresearch.org/facts/treatments.htm


44 posted on 10/27/2006 5:20:05 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear... on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: Notwithstanding
Great site isn't it????

I met a few of the people who are associated with it at CPAC two years ago.

45 posted on 10/27/2006 5:21:16 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear... on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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