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Ted Strickland "PRESENT" and Morally Absent
Riley Driver 5x5 ^ | 26 Oct 2006 | Riley Driver

Posted on 10/26/2006 11:33:11 AM PDT by RileyD, nwJ

PRESENT

Strickland, as a US Congressman, was provided an opportunity in 1999 to vote for a resolution condemning a study suggesting sex between adults and minors could be a positive experience for the children.

Strickland chose not to support the resolution condemning the study. He was one of 13 congressmen who voted “Present”.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: governor; moral; ohio; present
This is an attempt to bring all of the details of Strickland's "PRESENT" vote on the above mentioned house resolution AND his remarks about the same 15 days after the vote along with his latest remarks to the media.

Strickland has never condemned the study. In fact he has attacked those who did condemn the study. Something is wrong with a man who cannot condemn such a thing - very wrong.

1 posted on 10/26/2006 11:33:12 AM PDT by RileyD, nwJ
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To: RileyD, nwj
Please differentiate this person with Tony Strickland, a good conservative running for controller in California.
2 posted on 10/26/2006 12:01:30 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Admin Moderator

Can the mods add "Ted" to the title, so people will know that this is TED Strickland, DemocRAT Ohio gubernatorial candidate and not TONY Strickland in California?


3 posted on 10/26/2006 12:32:12 PM PDT by Sister_T (Conservative Bloggers are "Undocumented Journalists" ... doing the job "real journalists" won't do!)
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To: Carry_Okie

A glance at the keywords or topics would have revealed the word "Ohio".


4 posted on 10/26/2006 12:33:54 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Diddle E. Squat
A glance at the keywords or topics would have revealed the word "Ohio".

Clarification serves the interests of newbies and lurkers. It also eliminates the need for people from California to check out an article in which they have no interest. It's quite common here to append an article with a state designation, such as (OH), so that one can see the distinction on the sidebar.

I knew that the poster probably had no idea about a downstate race in California and made a polite request as a courtesy. Got a problem with that?

5 posted on 10/26/2006 12:52:03 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: RileyD, nwj

Ohio, beware. Do not vote for this man!


6 posted on 10/26/2006 1:25:34 PM PDT by Faith
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To: RileyD, nwj

Being in Columbus, OH and facing the possibility of him as governor makes me as sick as has Taft. Ken Blackwell is the only thinking mans answer.


7 posted on 10/26/2006 1:48:29 PM PDT by Frwy (Eternity without Jesus is a hell-of-a long time.)
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To: RileyD, nwj

OMG!! WHO would vote against that??? I thought he was a pastor.


8 posted on 10/26/2006 1:58:30 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy (ed)
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To: Suzy Quzy

Yeah, he pastors the Church Of the Apostates!


9 posted on 10/26/2006 2:04:06 PM PDT by Sister_T (Conservative Bloggers are "Undocumented Journalists" ... doing the job "real journalists" won't do!)
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To: Sister_T

geesh....what kind of man is he??


10 posted on 10/26/2006 2:07:23 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy (ed)
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To: Suzy Quzy

Guess I should have put the /sarcasm! tag after my statement.

But yeah, what kind of person doesn't even have the decency to vote to condemn pedophilia? And, if the polls are to be believed, this "soft-on-child-predators" candidate may be our next governor! If my children get married and have children, we're getting out of Ohio. This place will definitely become a safe haven for these perverts. After all, Mr. Strickland doesn't even believe we should condemn these filthy monsters!


11 posted on 10/26/2006 2:11:53 PM PDT by Sister_T (Conservative Bloggers are "Undocumented Journalists" ... doing the job "real journalists" won't do!)
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To: Sister_T
Sorry. Didn't know about the Strickland in CA.

Don't know how to effect the desired change either.

It is amazing Ted Strickland has never spoken out against this "scientific study" (so-called) somewhat in favor of child-adult sex.

It is amazing the media lets him get away with it to this day.

Again - sorry about the mixup with the CA Strickland.

12 posted on 10/26/2006 2:13:13 PM PDT by RileyD, nwJ ("Only the humble are sane." anon)
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To: RileyD, nwj

It's okay. That's why I asked the Admin Mod to add "Ted" to the title to not confuse folks.

I'm in Ohio, where this disgusting excuse for a politician is running and it makes me sick that this "soft-on-pedophilia" moonbat may be the next Governor of Ohio.


13 posted on 10/26/2006 2:16:46 PM PDT by Sister_T (Conservative Bloggers are "Undocumented Journalists" ... doing the job "real journalists" won't do!)
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To: RileyD, nwj
This was the study published by a guy named Bruce Rind, and published in a American Psychological Association publication saying that it is wrong to presume that all children who have sexual contact with adults suffer abuse, and that it is even beneficial for some. In 1998, Dr. Laura Schlessinger blew the whistle about it when someone wrote to her after hearing Rind on a talk show. More here.
14 posted on 10/26/2006 2:30:05 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Dixie Chicks: "We're Not Ready To Make Sense!")
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To: Suzy Quzy

Yup...but a Rat one.


15 posted on 10/26/2006 2:31:03 PM PDT by RockinRight (Maintaining a Republican majority is MORE IMPORTANT than your temper tantrum.)
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To: Suzy Quzy
Let's get a little perspective shall we? First off, Strickland didn't vote against the resolution, he abstained. Second, he explained at the time why he abstained:
'Strickland said he agreed with much of the resolution, except for a passage that suggested the U.S. Supreme Court had recognized that "sexually exploited children are unable to develop healthy affectionate relationships in later life." '

Strickland is a psychologist and disagreed with the wording of the resolution. He didn't feel it was right to vote for a resolution that stated abused children are unable to develop healthy relationships as adults.

And if he really was a NAMBLA supporter, don't you think he would have hidden it a bit better?

I don't usually jump to the defense of a Democrat, but the hysteria about this non-vote is ridiculous. There are plenty of other valid reasons why he should not be governor, but this is a non-issue, and there is great risk in overplaying it, as the latest polls seem to be indicating.

16 posted on 10/26/2006 2:51:51 PM PDT by tyke
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To: RileyD, nwj
In fact he has attacked those who did condemn the study.

Do you have a link for this?

17 posted on 10/26/2006 2:54:20 PM PDT by tyke
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To: tyke

OK - read the rest of the post, no need to reply. Reads to me that Strickland was condemning his collegues for voting for the resolution without having read the article in question in the first place, which is almost certainly true. (Do congressman read anything they vote on beforehand these days?)


18 posted on 10/26/2006 3:03:50 PM PDT by tyke
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To: tyke

Welcome. Newbie.


19 posted on 10/26/2006 3:18:16 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy (ed)
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To: tyke; All

Mr. Strickland only ASSUMES that his colleagues didn't read that report. He is only a psychologist, NOT a mind reader.

For anyone wanting a comprehensive reporting on this, go to BizzyBlog at this link:

http://www.bizzyblog.com/2006/10/13/why-ted-stricklands-1999-present-vote-on-h-con-res-107-matters-and-what-it-means-idx/


20 posted on 10/26/2006 4:18:17 PM PDT by Sister_T (Conservative Bloggers are "Undocumented Journalists" ... doing the job "real journalists" won't do!)
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To: Sister_T

"Church of the Apostates" - well noted, indeed.

I have not seen over the years - decades - any indication that Strickland is carrying out ministerial duties or functions, particularly of the United Methodist Church, in any shape or form.

Seems like someone might ask him what church he regularly attends - or does he attend any?

His public bio shows no ministerial functions or aspects after he returned to school to get an advanced degree in psychology.

I have seen no outward expression of his religious beliefs, whatever these may be. He is pleasant enough in person. But he is assuredly a politician and a liberal, and of course takes delight in announcing any programs that his office can claim he had a hand in - he doesn't really seemed to have generated many.

He has strong allegiance to the Party and to organized labor. He will be an absolutely strong proponent of the OEA - the (very) powerful teachers' union - and almost assuredly anti - charter and anti - home schooling; but will go at the latter two indirectly.

He has visited an Unitarian church in s. e. Ohio on occasion, apparently to be a guest lay speaker. Maybe he has gone to other churches - I never heard about it.


21 posted on 10/26/2006 10:00:12 PM PDT by mtntop3
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To: L.N. Smithee

Thanks. Had lost the link to the study.


22 posted on 10/27/2006 3:38:55 AM PDT by RileyD, nwJ ("Only the humble are sane." anon)
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To: tyke
tyke,

Clik here to go to the Congressional Record for the House for July 27, 1999. You will find Strickland's comments on the right hand column.

I do not believe this man deserves your defense. He never spoke out against the conclusions of this studay. Never. Instead he chose to speak out against those who did speak out against the study.

As an analyst I am always interested in the details - the actual data. But at the same time I am very aware how data can all to often be sorted/sifted/adjusted to fit a desired conclusion.

There is a link elsewhere in the postings to this study. Read it. It is not a study. It is a self serving attempt to normalize adult-child sex. Nothing more. Nothing less.

It is not even a study. It is a discussion among those willing to discuss the possibility of adult-child sex being a positive experience. Consider who would participate in such a discussion.

This discussion was/is morally repugnant. Only someone without a moral foundation would find this to be anything close to a 'scientific study'.

Granted, most of those of voted for the resolution probably had not read the so-called scientific study. However, it is most likely someone on their staff had read it and could without question recommend supporting the resolution condemning the study.

This could have been regulated to the dusty bins of what often pretends to be science in psychology. Examples? Alien abduction therapy. Past life therapy. Recovered memory therapy. These represent only 3 of the over 400 various psychotherapies on the market today. On the market. To understand the market mentality of psychotherapy see the book "MANUFACTURING VICTIMS: What the Psychology Industry is Doing to People" by Dr. Tana Dineen.

Bottom line: Something is missing from Ted Strickland. That something appears to be a moral compass.

Cheers!

23 posted on 10/27/2006 4:58:47 AM PDT by RileyD, nwJ ("Only the humble are sane." anon)
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To: RileyD, nwj
Well noted. Mr. Strickland's remarks in the July 27, 1999, Cong. Record are manifestly a defense of the said study, the "scientist" who did it, and the American Psychological Association.

Strickland, as a practicing psychologist, has obviously been a longtime member of the APA.

He has not found it necessary to drop his membership because of APA (published) policies and tenets; nor has he apparently ever found it necessary to condemn any of these in any manner.

If one desires an indication of his approach to this realm, simply peruse the periodical of the American Psychological Association. There is no ambiguity about the Association's (really politicized) take on homosexuality, abortion, or any related subject.

If a member were to publicly oppose any of these secularized policy positions, they effectively would no longer be a member - and, as practicing psychologists or faculty, they would be ostracized in both their professional and social lives by other APA members.

A minister of the Word would surely find it impossible to coexist with this. The Old and New Testaments are replete with such choices. The law of Man or the law of the Lord.

In the cited Cong. Record, Mr. Strickland refers to the Ten Commandments and states "you ought not to bear false witness against your neighbor."

But by apparently subscribing to this study as indicated by his defense of it, he seems to bear false witness against those who do try to follow the Word, who did read the article, and see nothing of the Word in the politicized APA.
24 posted on 10/27/2006 7:50:13 AM PDT by mtntop3
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