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Strategy works against Angelides
Mercury News ^ | Oc. 26, 2006 | Edwin Garcia

Posted on 10/26/2006 8:01:26 PM PDT by FairOpinion

State Treasurer Phil Angelides can accurately pinpoint the biggest reason he badly trails Arnold Schwarzenegger in the race for governor: Most Californians either don't know him or have bought the ``tax-and-spend liberal'' impression molded by savvy political rivals.

Many analysts suggest that no liberal Democrat -- even one who runs a perfect campaign -- stands much of a chance against the moderate Republican whose Hollywood charm and power of incumbency give him an advantage in style and substance.

(Excerpt) Read more at mercurynews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: angelides; elections; philtheatyerwheaties; schwarzenegger
"Most Californians either don't know him or have bought the ``tax-and-spend liberal'' impression molded by savvy political rivals."

Gee, can't imagine why, considering that Angelides himself keeps saying he will raise taxes...

1 posted on 10/26/2006 8:01:27 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

Watch the hand -- it's the hand he will use to sign higher taxes, homosexual marriage, licenses for illegals and universal, government run health care -- and that's just for starters.

2 posted on 10/26/2006 8:03:01 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Vote Republican. The life you save may be your own. This is not an exaggeration.)
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To: FairOpinion

3 posted on 10/26/2006 8:03:45 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Vote Republican. The life you save may be your own. This is not an exaggeration.)
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To: FairOpinion

Isn't it cute how the liberal MSM soft pedals this radical socialist...."tax and spend IMPRESSION".

Nice try. He will lose because of WHAT HE IS. And the portion of California's voters that are not mentally challenged, know it.


4 posted on 10/26/2006 8:04:22 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: FairOpinion

Even if Angelides can't get elected, this Edwin Garcia is willing to play monica for him.


5 posted on 10/26/2006 8:06:44 PM PDT by SmithL (Where are we going? . . . . And why are we in this handbasket????)
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To: FairOpinion
Strategy works against Angelides

..yeah, tricking him into appearing to be a complete weasel worked...

6 posted on 10/26/2006 8:07:17 PM PDT by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: FairOpinion

Pretty big starters. He also wants to impose a tax if you tune up your car!


7 posted on 10/26/2006 8:13:03 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Just say "no" to Democrats. Vote straight Republican!)
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To: FairOpinion

and he also supports borrowing big bucks thru massive bonds, taking action against global warming.. for starters.

Oh Wait
No, that's the Gub positions too.

Darn.


8 posted on 10/26/2006 8:13:41 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... http://www.pendleton8.com/ ...... http://www.bootmurtha.com/ .. FRee Moooomia)
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To: oneamericanvoice

impose a tax if you tune up your car

ya don't say,, Philthy bast*rd!


9 posted on 10/26/2006 8:14:33 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... http://www.pendleton8.com/ ...... http://www.bootmurtha.com/ .. FRee Moooomia)
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To: FairOpinion

He wants to raise taxes by over 18 BILLION!!!! Arnold cut them by over 20 billion!

Arnold cuts taxes! Phoney Phil raises them!


10 posted on 10/26/2006 8:15:08 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Just say "no" to Democrats. Vote straight Republican!)
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To: oneamericanvoice

Arnold cut them by over 20 billion!


Yeah and he borrowed 15 billion to help make up for it.


11 posted on 10/26/2006 8:18:07 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... http://www.pendleton8.com/ ...... http://www.bootmurtha.com/ .. FRee Moooomia)
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To: NormsRevenge

Yep! It's on his list!


12 posted on 10/26/2006 8:19:21 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Just say "no" to Democrats. Vote straight Republican!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Difference is Phoney Phil won't pay any of what he borrowed back, and will tax everything he can think of. The Gub cut the deficit by 20 BILLION and turned down "One Bill Gil" twice. No driver's licenses for illegals. Those were the two things that he said he'd do and stuck to it. Phoney Phil wants to raise taxes over 18 Billion! I'll take the Gub anyday, even though there are things I disagree with him on.


13 posted on 10/26/2006 8:37:02 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Just say "no" to Democrats. Vote straight Republican!)
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To: NormsRevenge

And then paid it back. Sorry NR. I gave up the kook-aid awhile back and think clearer now. The Democrats' game doesn't work on me.


14 posted on 10/26/2006 8:40:36 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Just say "no" to Democrats. Vote straight Republican!)
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To: FairOpinion
Ha...the Mercury News printed..."``tax-and-spend liberal'' ....is that a flying pig I see out there....?
15 posted on 10/26/2006 8:43:04 PM PDT by spokeshave (The Democrat Party stands for open treason in a time of war.)
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To: FairOpinion

How does Edwin see with his head so far up Phoney Phil's ....

Talk about spin! The picture that Edwin paints of PA is really impressionistic....after drinking alot of the kook-aid.

This is a brain on drugs. Just say, "NO"!


16 posted on 10/26/2006 8:44:01 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Just say "no" to Democrats. Vote straight Republican!)
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To: FairOpinion
Watch the hand -- it's the hand he will use to sign higher taxes, homosexual marriage, licenses for illegals and universal, government run health care -- and that's just for starters.

That's the hand he scrunched up during the debate, thumb and fingers touching, bobbing up and down like a silly sock puppet.

I don't want that hand to EVER get hold of a signing pen!

17 posted on 10/26/2006 8:46:49 PM PDT by b9 ("the [evil Marxist liberal socialist Democrat Party] alternative is unthinkable" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: spokeshave

There are alot of porkers sprouting wings these days, since the Los Angeles Times endorsed Arnold.

Look it's a bird...it's a plane...

A cold spell winter in Hades is my prediction. It ought to throw Al Gore for a loop...again.


18 posted on 10/26/2006 8:46:58 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Just say "no" to Democrats. Vote straight Republican!)
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To: oneamericanvoice

Yep there's *got* to be a snowball spinning very fast in Hades right about now. Gives me great hope that folks in CA are not (yet) completely off the deep end. I'm a transplant from Indiana (75% Red State), and so far (been here a year) CA's been driving me completely nuts.


19 posted on 10/26/2006 9:00:15 PM PDT by farlander (Strategery - sure beats liberalism!)
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To: FairOpinion

Angelides being behind in the polls has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that he is running against one of the most famous and recognizable movie stars of the past 20 years!!


20 posted on 10/26/2006 9:04:22 PM PDT by Zetman (I believe the children are the next generation.)
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To: oneamericanvoice

Who's playing games?

You may want to check on that paid back part, btw.


21 posted on 10/26/2006 9:07:24 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... http://www.pendleton8.com/ ...... http://www.bootmurtha.com/ .. FRee Moooomia)
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To: farlander
Yep there's *got* to be a snowball spinning very fast in Hades right about now. Gives me great hope that folks in CA are not (yet) completely off the deep end. I'm a transplant from Indiana (75% Red State), and so far (been here a year) CA's been driving me completely nuts.

I know what you mean. I have been out here since 2000. I am from West Michigan originally, so I am definitely experiencing the same "nuttiness" factor as you!!
22 posted on 10/26/2006 9:09:08 PM PDT by Zetman (I believe the children are the next generation.)
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To: oneamericanvoice

even though there are things I disagree with him on.

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Glad to hear it, we have enough pom poms around here already..

It's a shame we will likely be running significant deficits for years, regardless what party holds the reins.

Thank goodness we have enough republicans in the state assembly to block tax hikes,, for now anyway. if only the same could be said for taking on new debt and a lot of it.


23 posted on 10/26/2006 9:10:42 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... http://www.pendleton8.com/ ...... http://www.bootmurtha.com/ .. FRee Moooomia)
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To: Zetman

Fortunately, I'm down here in San Diego - lots of conservative and military folk around here, so it's not that bad - have people to commiserate with. Tho, I'll be heading back for Midwest shortly. I want my guns back.


24 posted on 10/26/2006 9:14:08 PM PDT by farlander (Strategery - sure beats liberalism!)
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To: FairOpinion
the counter spin has begun. The strategists fear:

Humiliation at the size of the AS victory

Coattails for republicans in CA

Afterglow with moderates and progressives, and others not owned radicals in the legislature.

This is the worst nightmare for Dem strategists in CA.
25 posted on 10/26/2006 9:16:41 PM PDT by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: NormsRevenge
... Glad to hear it, we have enough pom poms around here already.. ...

Hey Norm, as fantastical as it sounds, some of us here are hoping for some coattails. Please cease the ilk'ish bitterness.

26 posted on 10/26/2006 9:26:08 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: 68 grunt

18 point lead ,, 11 days to go,, and 5 state offices won't be enough to sate ya? You'll need front end loaders, not coattails for the dems to have half a chance to hold much of anything..

Loosen up already,, geeesh.


27 posted on 10/26/2006 9:31:59 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... http://www.pendleton8.com/ ...... http://www.bootmurtha.com/ .. FRee Moooomia)
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To: NormsRevenge
... Loosen up already,, geeesh.

Stop with the negative nonsense and I'll loosen' up.

28 posted on 10/26/2006 9:47:03 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: 68 grunt

what's negative about expressing opinion, this is an open forum in case you haven't noticed., is there a law against that? I doubt you even know how to loosen up.


29 posted on 10/26/2006 9:53:55 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... http://www.pendleton8.com/ ...... http://www.bootmurtha.com/ .. FRee Moooomia)
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To: FairOpinion


30 posted on 10/26/2006 9:59:11 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( Is there a thread on many CA props and candidates for the upcoming poll with lots of comments?)
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To: NormsRevenge

I knew you couldn't do it.


31 posted on 10/26/2006 10:08:52 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: 68 grunt

I wouldn't expect you to stop your bit either.. moderates and progressives don't know when to quit, even when they win. lol


32 posted on 10/26/2006 10:16:19 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... http://www.pendleton8.com/ ...... http://www.bootmurtha.com/ .. FRee Moooomia)
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To: farlander
Fortunately, I'm down here in San Diego - lots of conservative and military folk around here, so it's not that bad - have people to commiserate with. Tho, I'll be heading back for Midwest shortly. I want my guns back.

I hear you!! You got the luck of the draw. I wound up in the San Francisco Bay area (gack!!).
33 posted on 10/27/2006 12:33:56 AM PDT by Zetman (I believe the children are the next generation.)
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To: FairOpinion
He should use the failed butcher Bustamante's campaign lines and say we should elect him because he lost 75 pounds.

I just about choked with laughter hearing that one.
34 posted on 10/27/2006 12:38:22 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: NormsRevenge; oneamericanvoice
Norm,

Why don't you print this out and post it above your computer:

Tom McClintock: "Like many of us, I too have disagreements with some of the Governor's proposals. These differences, however, do not justify the abandonment of our party's responsibility to work tirelessly to reelect this Republican governor and to elect our GOP candidates to statewide and legislative offices.

For this reason, I view any effort to attack Governor Schwarzenegger as an attack on my own candidacy and those of every Republican seeking partisan office in 2006.

35 posted on 10/27/2006 7:30:15 AM PDT by FairOpinion (Vote Republican. The life you save may be your own. This is not an exaggeration.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

"Is there a thread on many CA props and candidates for the upcoming poll with lots of comments?"


===

Not that I have seen, but there is a thred with Tom McClintock's recommendations on the propositions.


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1674107/posts

And the recommendations of GOP:

http://www.cagop.org/


36 posted on 10/27/2006 7:35:32 AM PDT by FairOpinion (Vote Republican. The life you save may be your own. This is not an exaggeration.)
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To: FairOpinion

I have higher goals and aspirations for the state unlike some here who seem to tolerate almost anything these days including massive spending increases yearly, massive borrowing measures on almost a yearly basis, and a little debauchery for taste as well on the side.

Amazing what some of you are so tolreant of, imo, just amazing. and I am the bad guy, Go figure.

What is this, the new FR Borg policy, I hadn't heard it was illegal to actually be a independent thinker these days, Thanks for the note.

Too bad we can't all be clones like you and the Milk and many others who don't seem to care much about little things like that anymore, huh? Just win Baby, Don't sweat the debt load.


37 posted on 10/27/2006 9:54:55 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... http://www.pendleton8.com/ ...... http://www.bootmurtha.com/ .. FRee Moooomia)
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To: NormsRevenge

"I have higher goals and aspirations for the state "



You call having Governor Angelides with a Dem Legislature a higher goal?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11


38 posted on 10/27/2006 12:18:48 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Vote Republican. The life you save may be your own. This is not an exaggeration.)
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To: FairOpinion

Have I at any time ever posted anything advocating Philth for GUb,, you folks in the moderate weinie camp need to grow some skin,, you're childish comments are seen by many here for what they are,, lockstep adulation from a shill for the GOP .. go ahead and insinuate away , you and a few others seem to be expert in that.

Here the Gub is up 18 points and you just can't stop demanding lockstep adherence to the GOP putsch of a few years ago and the leaders of same. Take your centrist swill and toss it some where else, why don't cha, it is wreaking in here as is on threads where you spam away for more socialism as being all we can hope for here in California.

The debate is not just about taxes,, yet that's all you can offer and a veto here and a veto there, laaa tii daaaa.. all while the state budget continues to bloat, and the borrowing never stops and how many new employees has the state hired since the Recall?

My ballot is already filled out, and it doesn't have a check for Philth on it. But that won't stop you and others from haranguning folks here who are exercising their rights to free speech and reasonable discourse on issues and conclusions that seem to be beyond you fathoming..

Go ahead, post your usual prattle response.

Quite a few of us are more than accustomed to it, it's like a barking dog next door.


39 posted on 10/27/2006 12:31:42 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... http://www.pendleton8.com/ ...... http://www.bootmurtha.com/ .. FRee Moooomia)
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To: NormsRevenge
... Go ahead, post your usual prattle response.

Quite a few of us are more than accustomed to it, it's like a barking dog next door.

As opposed to your ilk bellowing.

40 posted on 10/27/2006 2:51:09 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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