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Rush Limbaugh Live Thread Friday Oct 27, 2006
RushLimbaugh.com ^ | 10-27-2006 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 10/27/2006 8:56:11 AM PDT by MNJohnnie

http://beccycole.com/albums/videos/poster_girl.shtml

Great Video. The Aussies get it.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1726911/posts

Another Vietnam Asharq Al-Awsat ^ | 10/27/06 | Amir Taheri

Posted on 10/27/2006 8:21:42 AM CDT by Valin

Even before the US-led coalition had fired its first shot in the war that saved Iraq from Saddam Hussein there were some who predicted that the exercise would become “another Vietnam.”

The “another Vietnam” chorus included radical American intellectuals such as Michael Moore, Noam Chomsky and Sean Penn along with such figures on both the extreme right and the extreme left in Europe as Jean-Marie Le Pen, George Galloway and Harold Pinter. Since then, the prediction that Iraq was becoming or had already become “another Vietnam” has hit the headlines every three or four months.

The “another Vietnam” chorus is at its loudest whenever there is an upsurge in terrorist insurgency or sectarian violence in Iraq and at times when the US is holding an election.

It is, therefore, not surprising that October should have witnessed the return of the “another Vietnam” chorus at its loudest.

October has witnessed the worst violence in Iraq in 18 months. The joint efforts of the US forces and the new Iraqi army to end sectarian killings and terrorist attacks in Baghdad have failed. There has also been a series of defeatist declarations by a number of US and British politicians and military figures. Add to all that the fact that the US is headed for a crucial mid-term election early next month, and October becomes the ideal month for an upsurge in “another Vietnam” predictions.

The problem, however, is that because we are never told what the phrase “another Vietnam” actually means, the analogy may be misleading.

To start with the US and its allies in Vietnam were defending an un-elected and corrupt regime in Saigon against its enemies in both the south and North Vietnam. In Iraq, however, the US-led coalition is on the side of an elected government that represents virtually the entire Iraqi nation. There is no equivalent of the Hanoi regime in Iraq to offer the Iraqis an alternative vision and a flag under which to fight the government in Baghdad. The Al Qaeda figures in Iraq and the remnants of the Saddamite clan could hardly be compared to Hochi Minh and his associates who had won their credentials during decades of struggle against French colonialism.

In Vietnam, the US and its Western allies had some 600,000 troops committed to the war. In Iraq that number is around 150,000.

The US task force in Vietnam was a conscript army while the one in Iraq is an entirely voluntary one. In Vietnam the US lost an average of 25 men each day. In Iraq the figure is two a day.

In Vietnam, apart from the north that was under Communist rule, the Vietcong controlled large chunks of territory both in the Mekong delta and close to the Laotian and Cambodian borders. In Iraq, however, Al Qaeda and the Saddamites control no territory.

As far as treasure is concerned, the Vietnam War was nine times costlier for the US in comparable dollars than the Iraq operation has been.

In Vietnam, Hanoi and the Vietcong received support from the Soviet Union and China. In Iraq, support for opponents of the democratic system comes from Iran and Syria.

Also unlike the era of Vietnam, there is no grass-root movement in the US in sympathy with either Al Qaeda or the Saddamites; Not even the most determined anti-Bush figures in the US are prepared to openly side with Saddam Hussein and Abu-Ayyub al-Masri.

There is one other major reason why Iraq will not be “another Vietnam.” That reason is George W Bush, possibly the most stubborn US leader since President Harry S Truman. Bush is not a cut-and-run type, especially at a time that he enters the second half of his final term in office and must be thinking of his place in history.

Having said all that Iraq may yet become “another Vietnam” in only one sense. The Americans may still decide to snatch defeat from the jaws of military victory just as they did in Vietnam. There are many in the US political and cultural elite who want Iraq to fail with an almost pathological ardour solely to get at George W Bush and his supposed cabal of “neoncons”. A Democrat controlled Congress could cut the budget for the US troops in Iraq, forcing their withdrawal.

But even if there is a new Congress controlled by the Democrats it is not at all certain that it would cut the troops’ budget and send that last helicopter to get the last Americans out of Baghdad. Apart from a lunatic fringe, no one in the Democrat Party is advocating a cut-and-run policy in Iraq.

This is because they know that Iraqis not another Vietnam. In Iraq, the US and its allies have achieved all their political objectives that included the dismantling of Saddam Hussein’s machinery of war and repression and the restoration of power to the Iraqi people. In Vietnam, however, the US failed to dismantle the Communist-Vietcong machinery of war and repression, and certainly did not restore power to the people even in the southern half of the country

A precipitous US withdrawal from Iraq is certain to complicate matters for the newly created democratic system.

But it would not mean a seizure of power by Al Qaeda and the Saddamites. The terrorists and the insurgents could continue killing people and causing mayhem for many more years just as their counterparts did in Algeria, Egypt and Turkey among others. But one thing is certain: Al Qaeda and Saddamites will never rule in Baghdad.

If the Iraqis wish to end the coalition’s military presence they have an opportunity to do so at the end of this year when the UN mandate under which the US-led forces are in Iraq comes to an end. But if the Iraqi parliament decides to extend the US-led coalition’s mandate, that decision should be respected and supported.

When it invaded Iraq, the US-led coalition entered into a moral contract with the Iraqi people. Under that contract the coalition to destroy the Saddamite tyranny and transfer power to the people of Iraq. In exchange, the Iraqi people were required to create a pluralist system based on power sharing among all the communities. The Iraqis have laid the foundations of precisely such a system. The US-led coalition must help defend this new system against its enemies until new Iraq is in a position to protect itself.

The best judgment at present is that new Iraq will need the coalition’s support for another 18 months or so. What is important is that, despite the violence and numerous social and economic problems, the new pluralist system in Iraq is deepening its roots, while a new political culture is taking shape. In other words there is something worth preserving, something worth fighting for. While new tactics may be needed to adapt to new conditions on the ground, especially in dealing with a highly protean insurgency, the strategy in Iraq remains as valid as it was four years ago. This is a strategy of creating an Iraq that belongs to all Iraqis and will never again be dominated by a single clan, let alone a brutal despot


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1 posted on 10/27/2006 8:56:12 AM PDT by MNJohnnie
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To: MNJohnnie

IBTP?


2 posted on 10/27/2006 8:56:36 AM PDT by American Quilter (You can't negotiate with people who are dedicated to your destruction.)
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To: NonValueAdded; LibertyisSpecial; HOYA97; ICFN(ICan'tFixNothing); StoneWall Brigade; ...

We who are about to Rush, salute you.


3 posted on 10/27/2006 8:56:46 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (EeevilCon, Snowflake, Conservative Fundamentalist Gun Owning Bush Bot Dittohead reporting for duty!)
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To: American Quilter

Wow, I've never managed that before!


4 posted on 10/27/2006 8:56:59 AM PDT by American Quilter (You can't negotiate with people who are dedicated to your destruction.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Morning Johnnie.


5 posted on 10/27/2006 8:57:19 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
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To: American Quilter

6 posted on 10/27/2006 8:58:20 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
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To: MNJohnnie

Thanks for the ping


7 posted on 10/27/2006 8:58:27 AM PDT by StoneWall Brigade (Newt/ Rick Santorum 08!)
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To: MNJohnnie

I can't tell you how many people I heard on all of the news stations last night....get the story about Rush v. MJF ad, totally WRONG!!!'

Even people that were trying to take up for him, got it wrong...sigh.


8 posted on 10/27/2006 8:58:33 AM PDT by Txsleuth (EVERYONE VOTE---AND VOTE REPUBLICAN,...even if you have to hold your nose!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Hello how are you?


9 posted on 10/27/2006 8:58:51 AM PDT by StoneWall Brigade (Newt/ Rick Santorum 08!)
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To: MNJohnnie
Oh he'll be cookin' today.

The MJF thing just will not die.

10 posted on 10/27/2006 8:59:25 AM PDT by evad
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To: ChicagoConservative27

What's that on my plate? (Besides the bacon, that is.) Is that an egg?


11 posted on 10/27/2006 8:59:29 AM PDT by American Quilter (You can't negotiate with people who are dedicated to your destruction.)
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To: American Quilter

eggs benedict


12 posted on 10/27/2006 9:00:10 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
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To: StoneWall Brigade

Great. You?


13 posted on 10/27/2006 9:00:23 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
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To: MNJohnnie

IT'S OPEN LINE FRIDAY!!!!!


14 posted on 10/27/2006 9:00:42 AM PDT by fhlh (Polls are for Strippers.)
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To: American Quilter

Still snowbound in Denver, or did the Solar Snowplow do its duty?


15 posted on 10/27/2006 9:00:42 AM PDT by Unrepentant VN Vet (I can't really accept a welcome home until the last MIA does.)
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To: American Quilter

That looks like Eggs Benedict-Arnold.


16 posted on 10/27/2006 9:00:57 AM PDT by Fudd Fan (Stop RAT infestation... VOTE REPUBLICAN!!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Oh. I'm not an egg person--didn't even recognize that strange item!


17 posted on 10/27/2006 9:01:09 AM PDT by American Quilter (You can't negotiate with people who are dedicated to your destruction.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

great


18 posted on 10/27/2006 9:01:20 AM PDT by StoneWall Brigade (Newt/ Rick Santorum 08!)
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To: Unrepentant VN Vet

MSM hit piece on the middle class.


http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/SavingandDebt/SaveMoney/SaveMoney.aspx?GT1=8690


19 posted on 10/27/2006 9:01:49 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
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To: Rush Limbaugh
I'll get you McFly!

20 posted on 10/27/2006 9:02:03 AM PDT by evets (pumkin beer.)
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To: evets

LOL


21 posted on 10/27/2006 9:02:58 AM PDT by StoneWall Brigade (Newt/ Rick Santorum 08!)
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To: Unrepentant VN Vet

The snow's melting rapidly. It was too warm in the days before the blizzard for the ground to freeze. At my end of town (just south of Colorado Springs) there wasn't as much snow--those on the north end and out east are still trying to dig out. Power out to lots of people due to the high winds.


22 posted on 10/27/2006 9:03:42 AM PDT by American Quilter (You can't negotiate with people who are dedicated to your destruction.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

This is Bush's fault?


23 posted on 10/27/2006 9:03:49 AM PDT by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM")
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To: evets

Anyone listen to the ABC news break with the 5th grader???

Recess time was but because teachers are preparing for standarized tests!!

Bush's fault


24 posted on 10/27/2006 9:03:55 AM PDT by acsrp38 (Found: WMD Saddam didn't have before he didn't have them)
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To: StoneWall Brigade; Fudd Fan; Cheapskate; OldFriend

You can't get rid of me!
How's tricks?


25 posted on 10/27/2006 9:03:57 AM PDT by UKRaddell (I might be movin' to Montana soon)
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To: evets

Marty McFly is still a BUTT-HEAD!


26 posted on 10/27/2006 9:04:25 AM PDT by RasterMaster (Winning Islamic hearts and minds.........one bullet at a time!)
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To: angcat

Huh? LOL.


27 posted on 10/27/2006 9:05:10 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
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To: UKRaddell

Yeah , I'm here!


28 posted on 10/27/2006 9:05:14 AM PDT by Cheapskate ( Preserve your freedom! ! Slap down the NANNY STATE!)
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To: RasterMaster

Who won last nights Bore Game.


29 posted on 10/27/2006 9:05:25 AM PDT by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM")
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To: MNJohnnie

Hope Rush has seen the new Michael Steele ad, it is quite apowerful rebuttal to Cardin's Fox stem cell ad:

http://www.steeleformaryland.com/StempCellVideo.htm

Transcript:

STEELE: I’m Michael Steele, and I approve this message.

TURNER: I’m Dr. Monica Turner. Congressman Ben Cardin is attacking Michael Steele with deceptive, tasteless ads. He is using the victim of a terrible disease to frighten people all for his own political gain.

Mr. Cardin should be ashamed.

There’s something you should know about Michael Steele. He does support stem cell research, and he cares deeply for those who suffer from disease.

How do I know? I’m Michael Steele’s little sister.

I have MS, and I know he cares about me.


30 posted on 10/27/2006 9:05:25 AM PDT by Republican Red (if you don't want to root for the home team then get the hell out of the stadium)
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To: angcat

Isn't everything?
When I had a bad accident in the summer, the BBC suspected White House involvement!

Snoop Dog free according to KFI!
All's right with the world.


31 posted on 10/27/2006 9:05:36 AM PDT by UKRaddell (I might be movin' to Montana soon)
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To: MNJohnnie

I posted the reasons I think the Republicans will do better than is expected on a CBS news story about the Democrats taking control. I was rather surprised that the first response was rational and not rabid. I give kudos to whomever that was that responded.

Things I see in the Republican's favor:
- their Get Out The Vote efforts are unmatched
- the economy is viewed positively (its the economy, stupid)
- the Christian Right appears to be severely underpolled and far from being willing to stay home, seems motivated to vote once more.
- over the last two elections, more and more African-Americans are voting Republican. I see no reason for this to change.
- 61% of Americans self-identify as conservative.

All in all, I think it will be much closer than is generally believed. But I do have a question for the Democrats: if the party cannot win in this climate; if somehow the Republicans hold on to everything, what needs to be changed to appeal to more voters?


32 posted on 10/27/2006 9:05:39 AM PDT by Ingtar (Prensa dos para el inglÚs)
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To: Fudd Fan
That looks like Eggs Benedict-Arnold.

LOL!

33 posted on 10/27/2006 9:05:42 AM PDT by American Quilter (You can't negotiate with people who are dedicated to your destruction.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Good morning. I'm here. And here we go!


34 posted on 10/27/2006 9:06:33 AM PDT by Excellence (Vote Dhimmocrat; Submit for Peace!)
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To: UKRaddell

Snoop Dog LOL

It's Bush's fault Snoop Dog took a wrong turn in life!


35 posted on 10/27/2006 9:06:46 AM PDT by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM")
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To: Cheapskate

Did you notice Howie reopened the Deathpool on Tuesday?


36 posted on 10/27/2006 9:07:02 AM PDT by UKRaddell (I might be movin' to Montana soon)
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To: Republican Red
How do I know? I’m Michael Steele’s little sister. I have MS, and I know he cares about me.

Bam! Sock! Pow! Way to answer back.

37 posted on 10/27/2006 9:07:04 AM PDT by American Quilter (You can't negotiate with people who are dedicated to your destruction.)
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To: UKRaddell
you should listen to ICED Earth when the Eagle Cries its aw some song
38 posted on 10/27/2006 9:07:14 AM PDT by StoneWall Brigade (Newt/ Rick Santorum 08!)
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To: angcat

Everything is Bush's fault. I wonder who'll be "it" in 2009 after he leaves office?


39 posted on 10/27/2006 9:07:25 AM PDT by PogySailor (Media bias? What media bias?)
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To: angcat

And over here, its Blair's fault Heather and Sir Paul split!


40 posted on 10/27/2006 9:07:51 AM PDT by UKRaddell (I might be movin' to Montana soon)
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To: StoneWall Brigade

I'll have a look on eMule.


41 posted on 10/27/2006 9:08:24 AM PDT by UKRaddell (I might be movin' to Montana soon)
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To: UKRaddell

I herd thats getting very nasty


42 posted on 10/27/2006 9:08:26 AM PDT by StoneWall Brigade (Newt/ Rick Santorum 08!)
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To: PogySailor
Sometimes I just can't wait due to all the constant Bashing. I have nobody that I can honestly say I want to see as the next President. Scary.
43 posted on 10/27/2006 9:08:31 AM PDT by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM")
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To: MNJohnnie

A benevolent dictator PING!


44 posted on 10/27/2006 9:08:50 AM PDT by auto power
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To: Excellence

Here comes the Webb stuff!!


45 posted on 10/27/2006 9:08:56 AM PDT by Neverforget01 (Republicans resign; Democrats run for reelection)
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To: American Quilter
Here's another breakfast for you.
46 posted on 10/27/2006 9:09:02 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
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To: UKRaddell
Daddy Rush

Tell me a story ,Tell me a story!!1

Can you read A Lost Soldier again?

47 posted on 10/27/2006 9:09:07 AM PDT by Cheapskate ( Preserve your freedom! ! Slap down the NANNY STATE!)
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To: MNJohnnie

Here. Thanks.


48 posted on 10/27/2006 9:09:12 AM PDT by lysie ("Lowering the price to be paid by aggressors virtually guarantees more aggression." Dr. Sowell)
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To: MNJohnnie

Interesting reading from Jim Webb this morning... *eyes pop out*


49 posted on 10/27/2006 9:09:38 AM PDT by MaestroLC ("Let him who wants peace prepare for war."--Vegetius, A.D. Fourth Century)
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To: UKRaddell

Sir Paul should have stayed single. Now all of Linda Eastman's money is going to that bonehead.


50 posted on 10/27/2006 9:09:42 AM PDT by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM")
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