Skip to comments.They paved over the dead at Ground Zero...
Posted on 10/29/2006 4:35:46 AM PST by Sergeant Tim
...and a few decided to just leave them there.
No matter what you have heard to the contrary, more than five years after 9/11, the Deutsche Bank building has not been fully searched. New York City's official spokespeople are playing word games and many in the media are their echo chambers. When the South Tower fell, massive amounts of debris fell on and into that building, leaving huge beams precariously hanging out over Cedar Street and a twenty floor gouge in the building's north face. When the first big crane approached nearby West and Liberty, the ground shook beneath it. They smartly backed off and engineers soon determined that the bathtub's walls adjacent West and Liberty Streets were unstable. If they had collapsed, the Hudson River might have flooded the Pit and much of Manhattan's rail lines, power grid, and water and sewer systems.
That did not stop the FDNY. They climbed inside the Deutsche Bank, crawled where they could, and conducted what all that I have spoken with described as a hands-on, visual inspection. While they were accustomed to moving within dangerous places, environmental tests showed extreme levels of toxins. On September 17, 2001, one day after the photo below was taken, they were ordered out. They cursed aloud, swore oaths to return, and repositioned.
When it was safer, heavy cranes pulled the steel from the building's facade and removed what they could reach from the outside. The building was draped with a heavy, transparent shroud to contain the materials inside and someone hung the sign in the photograph below. It was still there one year after 9/11.
The sign is gone now but not the sentiment. We will never forget the grunts of Ground Zero, those magnificent men and women who endured so much, knocked down that Pile, left no stone in the Pit unturned, and brought so many out to us. Their loyalty and love cost many of them their physical health; it cost none of them their honor.
Mayor Bloomberg has been conned. He has been persuaded to place in charge of the renewed search the same agencies that paved over the dead and callously left them there for five years.
Yet the grunts of Ground Zero have not forgotten the fallen or what they saw down there. If you were there and, like a growing list of witnesses, can provide information that will help bring the fallen from that place, please email me, Tim Sumner, at firstname.lastname@example.org
I also know the meaning of the word 'honor' and whether we talk on or off the record will be entirely up to you.
Author's note: Please pass the word about this article, bookmark Take Back the Memorial.org and check in there often yourself for updates. -- Tim Sumner, a.k.a. Sergeant Tim
I'm supportive of doing everything possible to recover the remains of those who died at the WTC.
I'm sorry but I just can't get to worked up about "remains" that are over 5 years old.
What should we do, never ever get back with our lives after people die? I lost a wife who was the greatest person in the world, but life does go on or you can sit in your puddles of pity until you join the ranks or pick yourself up, get on with your life and look for the good in the friends and family remaining.
In addition to recovering all the remains, I'd like to see a HUGE memorial to the defenseless souls who were murdered by the muslim barbarians. It should be a statement to their savagery for all time, especially when the muslim hordes take over Europe and start trying to deny what they did on 9/11.
...and engineers soon determined that the bathtub's walls...
Where have you been? That's what they called the concrete tub-shaped foundation the building was built on.
The short version of information about the World Trade Center's bathtub can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bathtub
I think a tall, graceful obelisk would be perfect as a monument. Then, get on with life--that's the greatest testament. The Muslim terrorists thought that they would cripple the US. Look at us. They lost, and showed themselves for the barbarians that they are. May they rot.
"It's unrealistic for anyone to expect that every piece of tissue,every bone fragment,every wallet will be accounted for at Ground Zero."
That's why it should be left as a permanent memorial garden instead of building commercial buildings on it again. Imagine someone coming in and building a skyscraper at Arlington.
Europe farms and paves over ww1 and napoleonic dead every day. It is a fact of life and death. Where do you draw the line at an arm bone ...or a tooth?
A huge memorial, including a museum accurately portraying the "savagery for all time," is why we fought (successfully) to remove the blame-America-first-and-always self-proclaimed International Freedom Center from Ground Zero.
Me neither, and I wish they would just shut up already. Are we supposed to stop the world until every 1mm bone shard is found and DNA tested? Ridiculous. It was a horrible crime, but let's remember there are real men dying nearly every day in Iraq and Afghanistan to avenge these murders. Our priorities should be with them.
The terrorists who struck on 9-11 wanted to turn a big piece of the most lively city in the world into sad, desolate place. You are proposing we accede to their wishes.
A nation that loves the memory of its honored forebears more than the future of its children is past its prime. The only fitting memorial to the honorable men and women that died on September 11 is to rebuild lower Manhattan into a place that is more beautiful, vital and lively than it was before.
Sorry,can't agree with this.I don't know how familiar you are with Manhattan,but the "downtown" area (that is,the southern tip) is very,very valuable real estate...perhaps some of the most valuable in the world (except,perhaps,Tokyo and Hong Kong).The NYSE is located not far from Ground Zero as is City Hall and,I believe,the world headquarters of at least one or two of the biggest banks in the world (Chase and the Bank of New York) are headquartered there too.
Yes,some sort of memorial should be placed there...absolutely! But just as London,and Hiroshima were rebuilt after WWII,Ground Zero should also be rebuilt.
if dna find any remains that are from indians/dutch settlers etc.... are the lib/dems going to dig up all the streets of lower nyc?
the recovery work has been painstakingly thorough...it is has been of high cost both in mney and manhours....no one has intentionally tried to overlook anything....at some point in time...the search must come to an end...
then the real work of re-building begins.....all the pc suggestions of what should rise from the ruins stink....
the towers should be re-built.....exactly the same except stronger & taller...there should be a memorials to all the poor innocents murdered and the brave that gave their lives to save others.....
all of the other lib/dem pc crap (slavery/other conflicts)...should not be even considered....this was a national tragedy.....and that is what should be memorialized.....does the memorial in pearl harbor relfect on the US civil war?????
different situation - Arlington was meant to be a cemetary from its inception. If you turn ground zero into a cemetary, the terrorists have won. Those who died at ground zero are already memoralized in a cemetary elsewhere of their families choosing.
I agree with taking every REASONABLE measure to recover the human remains, then move on. The important part of everyone who died there is elsewhere (either heaven or hell), and recovering other bits of tissue will not change that.
I do not mean to sound calloused, I would say the same if I had family members killed at ground zero. We need to move on, but never forget.
to the disgruntled.....Your 15 minutes are over. move on.....
I feel bad for those who lost their lives, but I don't really care for the 9/11 profiteers.
Lower Manhattan is for the living. To turn the most economically vibrant - and most historically economically vibrant - part of New York into a graveyard would be to hand the terrorists exactly what they wanted. They WANTED to turn lower Manhattan into a graveyard, they HATED its life, its dynamism, its power, its creativity, its sizzle and its promise. HATED IT!
New York should not surrender to terrorists. Recover the remains to the safest extent possible (and for godsakes don't break the bathtub doing it) and return New York to its normal spectacular splendor, unique in the world, ensuring the terrorists' defeat.
The U.S. is full of grassy meadows, if you want one, go to one where they already are.
No surrendering to terrorists' will.
Fine. We should only build on spots where no one has ever died.
When I visit Antarctica, can I stay at your place?
I really have no sympathy at all. They have our cash now, so they need to pipe down and beat it. They got what they wanted - our moolah. They were all made into millionaires. If they have any grief left in them after their great consumer hog wallow, they can start focusing on the terrorists instead of how to milk us from some more and turn New York into a meadow, halt all life for the remaining of the living, and achieve what the terrorists really wanted, which was an end to New York.
Serach yes, but move on too. Every battlefield never gives up all it's dead.
Same comment (#33) to you as to 'Mark was here.'
Actually, it was meant to be the Custis family home -- Robert E. Lee married into the family, and came to own the estate. Arlington National Cemetery is where it is because the Union government basically decided to bury their dead in Lee's front yard, to insure that he'd never want to come back to his old home on a hilltop, where he could look across the river and see the Capitol on a clear day.
I live in Manhattan and I agree. New York was settled by traders and is still the World Trade Center.
Arlington is a consecrated military cemetary: you're comparing Big Apples and oranges.
We cannot let emotional attachment to the innocent victims blind us to the real reason the 'original' WTC was destroyed and why it must be rebuilt bigger, stronger and more successful.
Are you saying Congress did not pay the families in exchange for not suing? If so you are a complete buffoon, because that is exactly what happened. If one is willing to take the cash, one should be willing to proudly say "I chose the money in exchange for not suing, and I'll even show you the papers I signed!"
What is your problem with the truth? Why would you attack me? I did not blackmail anyone, I feel bad for those who died, and I sent money to help the victims via the Red Cross.
Your arrogance in thinking blackmailers can do no wrong is believable, considering the source.
Read his profile. Methinks somebody has an agenda here...
Sounds like you don't have a good argument or any new information that might change my mind about this. I have nothing against your point of view but I think you lack perspective.
Very well then, I will take that lack of any reasonable ability to add new information as confirmation of what I said and I will continue thinking it.
So, when you signed those papers, you took a bribe. Correct?
You lumped in every 9/11 family member with your statement. That is what I object to. My sister-in-law did not want to spend the next 10 or 20 years in litigation. She had kids to raise and hearts, including hers, to heal.
Yes, I have an agenda. Take (here) a guess what it is.
WE should have started REBUILDING the towers, only even taller, the same day they fell.
Go to his website. Anti-left, anti-Murtha, pro troops.
Oh my, someone who chose not to sue the airlines perhaps?
If one knows the events of 9/11 were the cause of the terrorist, there would be no need to agree to not sign a form not to sue the airlines, because you would not of sued them any way. Now if there was a chance you were to sue them, it would mean you did not hold the Muslims completely responsible, and then you would not be running a web site blaming the terrorists... OH my!
We blame terrorists for 9/11. What I want from them has nothing to do with money.
Litigation suing who? Were you hoping to sue Bin Laden, or are you talking about suing the Airlines?
I did not have any relatives die in the attacks.
Did you Sister in Law sign the forms?
The way I see it your sister in law did not have to spend 5 seconds in litigation if she would of chosen not to sue anyone.
What the terrorists wanted had nothing to do with money either. They had a thing against skyscrapers and all they represented and wanted to turn New York into a meadow, same as their stinking caves over in the statue-desecrated Afghani badlands. They wanted that.
I really didn't realize that there were areas that were not searched. JPAC should be able to help put a proper light on the whole thing. Without research my cousin would have never returned home from WWII thirty years later.
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