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Webb Defends Novels Against Attacks (cleaning off the fan in Virginia)
The Washington Post ^ | October 29, 2006 | Tim Craig and Michael D. Shear

Posted on 10/29/2006 11:49:41 AM PST by Clintonfatigued

Virginia U.S. Senate candidate James Webb yesterday delivered his strongest criticism of incumbent Sen. George Allen of the fall campaign, vigorously defending himself against Allen's charges that he wrote sex-laced passages in his fiction novels.

He called on voters to reject what he called the "smear tactics" of Allen and his campaign, who released excerpts Thursday from Webb's novels to the Drudge Report Web site and said the writings were lurid and inappropriate for a man seeking to serve in the Senate.

"The fish rots from the head down," Webb (D) said, referring to his belief that Allen (R) is responsible for his campaign staff's tactics and has now shown his true character. "Our government should no longer be in the hands of a group of unprincipled, small-minded, power-hungry character assassins."

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 2006; dirtyjim; monkeyface; pervalert; senatorfellatio; weewillywebb
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1 posted on 10/29/2006 11:49:41 AM PST by Clintonfatigued
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To: fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; Kuksool; zbigreddogz; JohnnyZ; Galactic Overlord-In-Chief; ...

The Washington Post is trying to salvage the campaign of its hand-picked candidate.


2 posted on 10/29/2006 11:52:06 AM PST by Clintonfatigued (Nihilism is at the heart of Islamic culture)
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To: Clintonfatigued
Jennifer, wrote a book that included descriptions of her brother's harsh physical treatment of her.l

What's that all about?

3 posted on 10/29/2006 11:55:03 AM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: Clintonfatigued
"The fish rots from the head down," Webb (D) said

Hey, you wrote it. It would not appear in any book I wrote.

4 posted on 10/29/2006 11:55:07 AM PST by doodad
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To: Clintonfatigued

Dear Washington Post: Please explain to me why Mr. Foley's mash notes to little boys is appropriate for political commentary but Mr. Webb's bizzare sexual descriptions are not.

Could it be that one is a Republican and the other a Defeatocrat?


5 posted on 10/29/2006 11:56:13 AM PST by kjo
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To: Siena Dreaming
That's what you call desperation from a man with zero character, James Webb.
6 posted on 10/29/2006 11:57:48 AM PST by A Citizen Reporter (Sign at World Series in St. Louis, October 27, 2006 "The Experts are Idiots")
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To: Siena Dreaming; SierraWasp; LS; Liz; neverdem; WestVirginiaRebel; MplsSteve; MNJohnnie; ...

His sister, with whom I don't think he's on good terms with, wrote a book that portrayed him unfavorably.

If anyone is waging a smear campaign, it's Jim Webb. Allen is only striking back.


7 posted on 10/29/2006 11:58:05 AM PST by Clintonfatigued (Nihilism is at the heart of Islamic culture)
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To: Siena Dreaming

Allen's siblings have commented at various times over the years that he was something of a bully toward them. This is not news in Virginia.


8 posted on 10/29/2006 12:00:10 PM PST by linda_22003
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To: Clintonfatigued
"Our government should no longer be in the hands of a group of unprincipled, small-minded, power-hungry character assassins."

I agree Jimmy boy................that's why the demonrats are not in control.........

9 posted on 10/29/2006 12:02:24 PM PST by Gabz
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To: linda_22003; StJacques; metmom

This does reflect badly on Allen's character in his youth, but it doesn't disqualify him from holding public office in his 50's.

Jim Webb has waged a campaign of nothing but personal attacks and name-calling. He just can't stand the fact that Allen is fighting back.


10 posted on 10/29/2006 12:02:26 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (Nihilism is at the heart of Islamic culture)
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To: Clintonfatigued

I am quite unhappy with the Allen campaign using books to attack Webb. It politicizes writing. Newt Gingrich, Scooter Libby and Lynne Cheney have all put rather bizarre sex scenes in their books, and to take just the disturbing parts and isolate them from the rest of the book is disingenious.

Frankly I have read "Fields of Fire" and liked it very much, and my vietnam vet uncle is a very big fan of Webb's writing.

Allen should hit Webb on the issues, instead of going after his writing


11 posted on 10/29/2006 12:06:02 PM PST by ChurtleDawg (Go Mike Steele!)
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To: ChurtleDawg

""Fields of Fire," a novel about the Vietnam War, has been on the Marine Corps reading list for 20 years"

I don't know this "reading list", but it implies that his work has been an "open book" (pun intended) for several years, and just pulling it out of a hat now makes Allen look more desperate than he should be at this point in the campaign.


12 posted on 10/29/2006 12:09:27 PM PST by linda_22003
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To: ChurtleDawg
I am quite unhappy with the Allen campaign using books to attack Webb

I'm not. The books may be good; but the individual passages show a sickish mind; maybe OK for Hollyweirdos, but not for a guy running for high office.

At a time when US morals are decaying and marriages foundering, we don't need writers of smut in the Senate.

13 posted on 10/29/2006 12:10:41 PM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: Clintonfatigued
"Our government should no longer be in the hands of a group of unprincipled, small-minded, power-hungry character assassins."

"That's why I'm asking you to help me replace them with a group of unprincipled, small-minded, power-hungry character assassins."

14 posted on 10/29/2006 12:12:07 PM PST by Sender ("Always tell the truth; then you don't have to remember anything." -Mark Twain)
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To: linda_22003
makes Allen look more desperate than he should be at this point in the campaign.

Webb's got problems with women. I'm glad Allen's pointing it out for voters who may not know about it.

15 posted on 10/29/2006 12:12:12 PM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: ChurtleDawg
...Newt Gingrich, Scooter Libby and Lynne Cheney have all put rather bizarre sex scenes in their books...

...and when they run for Senate, or any other office, their words should be given thorough consideration.

16 posted on 10/29/2006 12:12:36 PM PST by Petronski (CNN is an insidiously treasonous, enemy propaganda organ.)
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To: ChurtleDawg

"Allen should hit Webb on the issues"

To put as kindly as possible, Jim Webb has not campaigned on the issues. His whole campaign has been one of belligerent name-calling. I have rarely seen a candidate get as personal in his attacks as Webb has. Allen is just giving his opponent a dose of his own medicine.


17 posted on 10/29/2006 12:12:36 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (Nihilism is at the heart of Islamic culture)
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To: ChurtleDawg
Allen should hit Webb on the issues...

Character is an issue in this campaign. Webb made it an issue with the whole Macaca kerfuffle.

18 posted on 10/29/2006 12:13:32 PM PST by Petronski (CNN is an insidiously treasonous, enemy propaganda organ.)
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To: linda_22003

what stupid stuff people did as kids shouldn't be an issue at all

I would hate to run for office and have my little brother tell voters that I used to give him wedgies or that one time we shot a neighbor with a BB gun

Allen being rough with his siblings is no different and isn't even worth worrying about


19 posted on 10/29/2006 12:14:23 PM PST by ChurtleDawg (Go Mike Steele!)
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To: doodad; Clintonfatigued

> "The fish rots from the head down," Webb (D) said <

Aha! Dazzling wisdom plagarized from the lips of that famous tank-driver and scion of the seed of Lesbos, the Hon. Michael du Cacas. One wishes that Gentleman Jimmy at least would give credit where credit is due!


20 posted on 10/29/2006 12:16:01 PM PST by Hawthorn
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To: Siena Dreaming

now, his political activities where he openly insulted women while in a position of authority, like the whole gaffe about how girls only wanted to go to the Naval Academy because they are horny, that is an issue


21 posted on 10/29/2006 12:16:03 PM PST by ChurtleDawg (Go Mike Steele!)
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To: Clintonfatigued

two wrongs don't make a right

just because Webb's campaign is vile doesn't mean Allen should stoop to his level


22 posted on 10/29/2006 12:16:58 PM PST by ChurtleDawg (Go Mike Steele!)
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To: Clintonfatigued

he talks as if Allen wrote the books - and claimed Webb wrote them.

Mr Webb - YOU WROTE THIS STUFF.


23 posted on 10/29/2006 12:18:47 PM PST by oceanview
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To: ChurtleDawg

I don't know about Scooter and Newt... but Lynn's book was tame in the extreme. A dem website found the worst thing in it and it was nothing. Stop believing everything Webb and the MSM tells you.


24 posted on 10/29/2006 12:19:42 PM PST by altura (Bushbot No. 1 - get in line.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

How is pointing out Webb's own words an Allen campaign "smear tactic?" If I write a post, and later another FReeper quotes my words back at me, that is not a smear. Those were my own words and I am responsible for them.

If Webb believes what he wrote was perfectly okay, he should stop screaming like a vampire exposed to light. If he doesn't think his words were okay, he needs to disavow them and apologize. So which is it?

Webb, like a typical Democrat, is trying to have it both ways.


25 posted on 10/29/2006 12:23:54 PM PST by LadyNavyVet
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To: altura; ChurtleDawg
Stop believing everything Webb and the MSM tells you.

Failing that, at least stop SPREADING everything Webb and the MSM tells you.

26 posted on 10/29/2006 12:24:25 PM PST by Petronski (CNN is an insidiously treasonous, enemy propaganda organ.)
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To: linda_22003
Allen's siblings have commented at various times over the years that he was something of a bully toward them. This is not news in Virginia.

As the youngest of 4, my brothers are very lucky that I never wrote a book about how they used me as target practice when my parents bought them bb guns, or how they shot bottle rockets at me, again using me as target practice.

Allen's sister has alterior motives....much like Patty Davis when she wrote her book about her father, Ronaldus Maximus.
27 posted on 10/29/2006 12:26:42 PM PST by submarinerswife
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To: ChurtleDawg
two wrongs don't make a right

just because Webb's campaign is vile doesn't mean Allen should stoop to his level

Allen didn't stoop to Webb's level. He just quoted from his book. But as Ann Coulter reminds us, merely quoting a Democrat is enough to piss them off. Democrats don't like their own writing either.

28 posted on 10/29/2006 12:27:25 PM PST by TimSkalaBim
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To: Clintonfatigued

I don't see any "defense" of the passage in which an adult male puts the penis of a small boy in his mouth in that excerpt of the WaPoo article.

All I see there is an attack on the messenger.

Meanwhile I don't recall him ever coming to Foley's defense when he was wrongly accused of being a child molester and hounded out of office by a partisan coordinated campaign together with the media. Stuff it, crybaby.


29 posted on 10/29/2006 12:29:45 PM PST by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: ChurtleDawg

None of this has anything to do with 'Fields of Fire'. The main excerpt is from 'Lost Soldiers'. The Webb campaign keeps saying this, hoping the average person won't see the real texts at issue.


30 posted on 10/29/2006 12:30:22 PM PST by gb63
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To: Clintonfatigued
"The fish rots from the head down," Webb (D) said

In this instance, "head down" is an unfortunate choice of words from the pedophile porn peddlar senator wannabe.

31 posted on 10/29/2006 12:32:35 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: linda_22003

The media has only seized upon it in the last week but the story has been out there longer than this.

Meanwhile the Dems were in possession of the Foley IMs and sat on them until October. What makes that so absurd is that those same critics are saying that Republicans "knew" (they did NOT know about the IMs) and "did nothing" while the Democrats DID KNOW all along.


32 posted on 10/29/2006 12:32:44 PM PST by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: ChurtleDawg
"two wrongs don't make a right just because Webb's campaign is vile doesn't mean Allen should stoop to his level"

You signed up today to defend a smarmy democrat? I doubt you'll be around here for long. If you want to defend pedophiles maybe you should go back to DU.

33 posted on 10/29/2006 12:34:00 PM PST by Godebert
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To: ChurtleDawg
two wrongs don't make a right

On the other hand, a negative multiplied by a negative equals a positive.

Poor Webb can sure dish out the macaca but cries to mommy when his own vile words get served back up to him.

34 posted on 10/29/2006 12:37:06 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: submarinerswife
"As the youngest of 4, my brothers are very lucky that I never wrote a book about how they used me as target practice when my parents bought them bb guns, or how they shot bottle rockets at me, again using me as target practice."

Lol....you sound like my younger sister. She always like to remind me of the time (she claims) I shot her with an arrow on purpose.

35 posted on 10/29/2006 12:37:38 PM PST by Godebert
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To: ChurtleDawg

> just because Webb's campaign is vile doesn't mean Allen should stoop to his level <

In what sense is it "stooping" to point out writings of an opponent that have been in the open, on the public record so to speak, for many years? And is the information in any way false?

In any event, should the citizenry of the Commonwealth be deprived of this information? Should Webb's naughty prose be hidden from public view? Moreover, if the WaPo is too prudish to tell the voter about Webb's take on Asian pedophilic fellatio, what's wrong with the Drudge Report's having done so?

Methinks the Old Dominion's voters are amply qualified to sift the chaff from the wheat, and to decide whether Webb's strange writings should disqualify him from a post of high trust in the U.S. Senate.

And since Virginia most certainly ain't Hollywood or Manhattan, it ain't hard to predict how a majority of Virginia voters will view the issue.


36 posted on 10/29/2006 12:39:25 PM PST by Hawthorn
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To: Clintonfatigued

Jim Webb admitted under oath that he was a member of the Cosmos Club.The Cosmos Club refused to allow Blacks membership and until 1988 they refused to allow women to become members..


37 posted on 10/29/2006 12:39:51 PM PST by Beth528
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To: Siena Dreaming

He sure does have women problems. Someone should interview his first TWO wives.

Current wife is of Vietnamese extraction. Wonder how she likes the passages in his books about Asian women chopping up bananas with their private parts. Or where he calls them "Monkeyfaces".


38 posted on 10/29/2006 12:44:48 PM PST by Palladin (Vote for Rick Santorum, a true prolife conservative!)
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To: Beth528
Jim Webb admitted under oath that he was a member of the Cosmos Club.The Cosmos Club refused to allow Blacks membership and until 1988 they refused to allow women to become members.

That's okay. He was just experiencing "real life."

Or, is it: "It was tolerated in that culture at the time"?

Whatever it was. Webb isn't responsible for any of it.

We'll have to get the latest excuse from Webb's MommyStreamMedia.

39 posted on 10/29/2006 12:45:51 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: Clintonfatigued
Virginia U.S. Senate candidate James Webb yesterday delivered his strongest criticism of incumbent Sen. George Allen of the fall campaign, vigorously defending himself against Allen's charges that he wrote sex-laced passages in his fiction novels.

Yeah. He said that all of these scenes were necessary for the flow of the plot. However, I cannot imagine even one single plot whose flow is predicated on pedophilic fellatio.

He called on voters to reject what he called the "smear tactics" of Allen and his campaign, who released excerpts Thursday from Webb's novels to the Drudge Report Web site and said the writings were lurid and inappropriate for a man seeking to serve in the Senate.

"The fish rots from the head down," Webb (D) said, referring to his belief that Allen (R) is responsible for his campaign staff's tactics and has now shown his true character. "Our government should no longer be in the hands of a group of unprincipled, small-minded, power-hungry character assassins."


Of course, Webb is also referring to a certain Virginia Senatorial Campaign that (falsely) accused Senator Allen of racism, right?

We Virginians know the truth behind that one and Webb cannot get away from it. He rang that bell too loudly.
40 posted on 10/29/2006 12:48:03 PM PST by 84rules ( Ooh-Rah! Semper Fi!)
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To: Godebert

Thank you for pointing that out. I had not noticed.


41 posted on 10/29/2006 12:53:11 PM PST by MamaB (mom to an Angel)
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To: JCEccles

More on the great Jim Webb!

I can see where Jim Webb put the priorities of women. His Navy claims about helping women have been debunked.

1.And I have never met a woman, including the dozens of female midshipmen I encountered during my recent semester as a professor at the Naval Academy, whom I would trust to provide those men with combat leadership." (pg. 148, "Women Can't Fight," Washingtonian Magazine, November 1979.
2. "Many women appear to be having problems with their sexuality…What kind of woman would seek out the Academy routine?" (pg. 282, "Women Can't Fight," Washingtonian Magazine, November 1979)
3. "What the whole world may not know is that women did not attain these positions in the same way that men historically have…Women will not be leading men inside the brigade this year. They will be managing them, buttressed by the officers who hurried them along. And the morale of the brigade will demonstrate this distinction far better than this article ever could." (pg. 277, "Women Can't Fight," Washingtonian Magazine, November 1979)
4. Webb referred to female midshipman at Annapolis as "thunder thighs." (Baltimore Sun, 8/28/92)
5. "Tailhook should have been a three or maybe five-day story." (Speech to the Naval Institute Annual Conference, Washington Times, 4/25/96)


That was 1979 and The Cosmos was 1986. Times have changed but Jim Webb stays the same.The pattern is there and it continues with his novels. To argue there is not a problem is absurd. I doubt you can make a stronger case showing a pattern of sexism then Webb has with his words and actions.


42 posted on 10/29/2006 12:55:35 PM PST by Beth528
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To: Godebert
Good catch on ChurtleDawg. He has been busy posting...
43 posted on 10/29/2006 12:56:58 PM PST by Angelas
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To: Beth528

http://www.webbagainstwomen.com/


44 posted on 10/29/2006 1:09:56 PM PST by Beth528
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To: Clintonfatigued
The Washington Post can accept some of the blame for the Allen attack. Allen has every right to do what he has done, particularly since he has been under a daily barrage from the Post, beginning with that silly flap over the Macaca remark. That suddenly became a fatal sin in the democrat loving eyes of the Post. Then the endorsement where they saw him totally differently than most Virginians. I accidentally typed in moist Virginians, but I guess those would be the titillated Webb supporters that includes the non Virginian Washington Post.
45 posted on 10/29/2006 1:32:53 PM PST by billhilly
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To: Beth528

Sorry, you can't make Cosmos Club membership scandalous; it's a high honor here in Washington, and several members of the current administration and other Republican office holders have belonged, themselves. They have certainly accepted black members for at least thirty years, at least since John Walker became Bishop of Washington, and women have been admitted since 1988, as you pointed out.

That dog, as the saying goes, won't hunt.


46 posted on 10/29/2006 1:33:46 PM PST by linda_22003
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To: Clintonfatigued

Hack Writers Speaks in Cliches


47 posted on 10/29/2006 1:34:59 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: ChurtleDawg

Look for me on your other site. You'll recognize by my tag line, Go Dems. Don't blow my cover.


48 posted on 10/29/2006 1:40:20 PM PST by billhilly
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To: Clintonfatigued
Hope Webb's not still out there kissing babies.
49 posted on 10/29/2006 1:44:58 PM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: linda_22003
How about this dog,will it hunt..
50 posted on 10/29/2006 1:47:22 PM PST by Beth528
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