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Is China the new colonial power in Africa?
The Observer (UK) / Taipei Times ^ | Nov 01, 2006 | Conal Walsh

Posted on 10/31/2006 8:32:17 PM PST by diesel00

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To: The Working Man
"One could almost want to sit back and watch and see how this would play out..."

Like the sudan, after the chicoms armed up the thugs...

21 posted on 11/01/2006 3:34:32 PM PST by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: sinoguy
In africa,we chinese will do better than west whites did

I have little doubt you will. Chinese are unhampered by Western-style "political correctness".

The Chinese are currently heavily into Zimbabwe and South Africa. They need the minerals. They do not need the Africans. The Chinese can bring in their own peasants to do the mining and run the farms to feed the miners. The Africans will be treated like the Native Americans in the early days of the United States : they will be pushed out or exterminated

22 posted on 11/01/2006 3:39:49 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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To: monkeywrench
I agree with you. Which is why I said "almost". The Chinese that I have known personally are kind, hard working and honest to a fault.

The Peoples Republic of China Government on the other hand is the exact opposite. Which is unfortunately true of all of their historical governments. Rapacious, capricious and to one and all, a peasant is just one ant in the anthill. There to serve the mandarins and now the Party Officials who have come after them.

This attitude of the Middle Kingdom and how it views the rest of the world effects all of their official policies. And in Africa we can see the effects even easier and plainer because the Chinese Government is so contemptuous of the Africans and their Government Entities that they have let down their usual guard over "Face".

We, the peoples of the Western World would do well to watch and learn. The Chinese have an very ancient civilization over four and half thousand years in the making. They are very, very slow to change their ways of culture. So what we learn from them here in Africa will aid us in dealing with them in the future as the try to do the same to us.
23 posted on 11/01/2006 4:56:20 PM PST by The Working Man (Any work is better than "welfare"!)
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To: The Working Man
The Chinese have an very ancient civilization over four and half thousand years in the making. They are very, very slow to change their ways of culture. So what we learn from them here in Africa will aid us in dealing with them in the future as the try to do the same to us.

I disagree, I think what they are trying to do in Africa is revolutionary with respect to the traditionally insular/slow/turtle-like Chinese mindset. The Chinese have never pursued strategic expeditions half way across the world in its 4000 years of history (it sailed impressively to Africa 650 years ago, but there was nothing strategic or substantial about it, and consequently no Chinese roots were set in Africa). During the 1960s, the Chinese also had token ideological exchanges with Africa, but nothing came of that either. So why are they so serious about it now? 20 years of rapid capitalism has dramatically changed the very fabric of Chinese thought. The new Chinese mentality as we shall see more clearly in coming years is essentially identical to Meiji Japan between the 1880s and 1930s. The Chinese are not colonizing Africa today, they are trying to achieve their manifest destiny through the present accepted means of conduct. Just like Japan sought to achieve its manifest destiny a hundred years ago through colonialism; remember, colonialism was still widely accepted by the Great Powers at the turn of the last century.
24 posted on 11/01/2006 10:17:11 PM PST by diesel00
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To: diesel00
I was very careful to say culture. Culture involves the mindset of familial interactions and how they deal with each other. And it also involves the mindset in how they view the world outside of China, "The Middle Kingdom", Outsiders are looked upon differently and treated differently.

China, by it's very nature of being civilized nation for so long has used up most of it's easily reached mineral resources. So it must cast eyes outside of it's borders to where those resources are.

Capitalism is just a handy tool for the Communist Party at this time. As practiced in China it still maintains much of the Mandarin/Prince structure that works so well in that culture. And the people there view it as just another one of a long set of masters steeped in their history.

In a way it's quite fascinating to watch. I mean it's like I am seeing history being repeated over and over again.
25 posted on 11/02/2006 1:23:30 AM PST by The Working Man (Any work is better than "welfare"!)
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To: sinoguy

Just be nice to us Yanks (Americans) and I think things will go very well for the both of us. :)


26 posted on 11/17/2006 8:02:23 PM PST by Niuhuru
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