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Did Kerry slip? I don't think so.
sizzlemeister

Posted on 10/31/2006 10:29:20 PM PST by sizzlemeister

Perhaps this has been stated elsewhere, and if so I apologize for rehashing it here, but I thought this questioned deserved a separate discussion.

Did John F. Kerry, Vietnam veteran, actually slip up today? Obviously this is the excuse being sold by the Kerry people, the DNC, and the MSM. And I see some FReepers are buying into it, and a lot of the Conservative media, blogs, etc. are going along with it.

I do not buy it. If Kerry and his crew slipped, it was in believing the dubiously French-looking one could get away with saying something like this. I think he underestimated the efficiency and scope of the "new media". It's a perfectly rational statement for a liberal when viewed in its context: he's speaking to college kids at a California Democrat's rally. Back in the day politicians were protected inside such a bubble; especially in California, especially on a college campus, and especially at a Democrat rally.

"Evidence" of the "slip" could easily have been whipped up in a few minutes - just skip to the page in the "Angelides rally speech" file (assuming this "speech" were truly prepared ahead of time), adjust the copy, hit save, and print it out. Who would know? I would imagine even the FBI would have a difficult time proving the speech copy were altered since:
1. The speech, if it preexisted, and if it were printed out ahead of time, was most likely printed from a portable printer connected to a Kerry aide's laptop.
2. There are some very easy tricks to remove traces of a file being modified, at least in Windows.

Like network news, like MSM daily newspapers, like MSM magazines, they have all underestimated the "new media" again. I think this may be the last time anyone underestimates the "new media" and its power - for better or worse. And this raises another issue: eventually when the Democrats seize power again in Washington they will put their foot down on this terribly pesky "new media" just like they're trying to put their foot down on talk-radio.

I do not think it's wise to give Kerry the benefit of the doubt here. In fact, given the possibilities, I think it's dangerous. This was no slip, but an awfully painful wake-up call for liberal Democrats.


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1 posted on 10/31/2006 10:29:21 PM PST by sizzlemeister
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To: sizzlemeister

If he truly slipped, then why did he not apologize to the troops for his major gaffe?

It was intentional...he voiced what he's thought all along: kerry hates the troops. Nuff said.


2 posted on 10/31/2006 10:32:12 PM PST by goresalooza (Nurses Rock!)
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To: sizzlemeister

I agree. He meant every word of it.


3 posted on 10/31/2006 10:32:26 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: sizzlemeister

How can ANYONE doubt that John Francios Kerry absolutley meant to call our troops uneducated idiots? He absolutely MEANT to call our troops idiots.


4 posted on 10/31/2006 10:33:21 PM PST by Mobile Vulgus
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To: sizzlemeister

Not sure of your point, but Kerry certainly did slip up - - one way or the other.


5 posted on 10/31/2006 10:33:54 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: sizzlemeister

He attempted to do what Liberals always do--appeal to The Poor, the poor, dumb lumpenproletariat who REALLY know that The Man is shipping their poor, dumb asses overseas to die for oil. Speaking truth to power, man, very Black Panthers. It's a neauseating, patronizing act--preying on people LIBERALS perceive as dumb by saying "Them evil Republicans think that just because you're uneducated that you're stupid, but WE are going to protect you from them!" The irony being that the libs hope the intended audience is dumb enough to buy their malarkey.


6 posted on 10/31/2006 10:35:08 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Republican, atheist, pro-life)
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To: sizzlemeister

It was a slip, a freudian slip. He meant every word.


7 posted on 10/31/2006 10:42:08 PM PST by Tamar1973 (I find your lack of faith disturbing--Darth Vader, Ep. IV)
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To: sizzlemeister
He meant exactly what he said. He knew where he was and that they would let him get away with saying what he did. It is a shame--not really--that there was someone there who reported what he said.
8 posted on 10/31/2006 10:44:54 PM PST by MamaB (mom to an Angel)
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To: sizzlemeister
And I see some FReepers are buying into it, and a lot of the Conservative media, blogs, etc. are going along with it.

SORRY TROLL, YOU ARE WRONG!

9 posted on 10/31/2006 10:47:47 PM PST by blondee123 (Politicians are like diapers, need to be changed often & for the same reason!)
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To: sizzlemeister

He may have slipped, but it was a Freudian slip.

That jackass leprechaun O'Reilly was saying he "knows" that Kerry didn't mean to demean the troops. How could he "know" that?

Here is my email to O'Reilly. It's probably TOO pithy:

If it were the first time, I'd agree with you that John Kerry didn't intend to demean our troops, but he has a pattern of doing this, such as when he charged that our troops were going house to house in the middle of the night to murder women and children, not to mention his vicious slanders against our troops in Vietnam.

Where there's smoke, there's fire, Bill.


10 posted on 10/31/2006 10:48:34 PM PST by TBP
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To: sizzlemeister

Obviously this was no slip. Kerry is a F'n elitist idiot who believes his and Teresa's s--t don't stink.


11 posted on 10/31/2006 10:48:42 PM PST by RacerX1128
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To: sizzlemeister

I don't buy it either.

And even if it WAS intended to be a joke about the President, it's STILL an insult to our Troops.

The only way it could have been intended to be funny would be because, with Kerry's 30+ years of denigrating our Military, testifying that they commit war crimes, saying that they shouldn't be terrorizing women and children in Iraq, we would naturally EXPECT him to be about to once again denigrate our Troops. But NO! Ha ha! He's slamming the President instead? By implying that the President is as dumb as he thinks our Troops are?

Oh, Please...

His "intended Joke" can only be "funny" because it is a twist on the tired and disproved DNC talking point that our troops are foolish and predominantly less educated than average.

Well, if that's the story he wants to stick to then it seems to me he meant to insult not only our President, but everyone who voted for him, and our Troops as well.

Maybe we can get some of our Democrat Representatives to explain... ;-)


12 posted on 10/31/2006 10:48:52 PM PST by EasySt (Life is Precious, Live it Well...)
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To: sizzlemeister
His official post statement statement in which he attacks Republicans is making him look even worse. He is trying to sound tough, but he comes across as an A-hole.
13 posted on 10/31/2006 10:49:39 PM PST by Michael.SF. (Liberals would let Mark Foley be a Boy Scout leader.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

You are right - Kerry simply did what he has been doing for the past 35 years - he disparaged our troops. It is no secret that Kerry has complete disdain and contempt for the military, as evidenced by the outrageous things has consistently accused them of doing. His most recent insult to our troops was mild compared to what he has said before. This is a pattern of behavior by Kerry, and it's nothing new.


14 posted on 10/31/2006 10:50:56 PM PST by wontbackdown
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To: Mobile Vulgus

"He absolutely MEANT to call our troops idiots."

Yes he did and I think he thinks they are idiots because just about the whole military and their families are in 100% support of GWB and we know how sKerry hates GWB.


15 posted on 10/31/2006 10:51:02 PM PST by LegalEagle61 (You have 2 choices vote republican or whine about how bad the country is when the liberals take over)
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To: TBP

What a wet noodle email. Next time use a sledgehammer.


16 posted on 10/31/2006 10:52:38 PM PST by jwh_Denver (Really, wouldn't we all rather have a benevolent dictator?)
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To: sizzlemeister
That was no slip-up. That slander towards our military came 'from the heart'.

Kerry has been demeaning, insulting and accusing our military of being war criminals since Vietnam (for over 30 years now).

His pathetic, tortured, phoney, and transparent efforts to now claim it was a 'botched attempt at humor'--is not only patronizing, but it is also even MORE insulting to anyone who could see his sincerity in the actual video of his original slander. How stupid does he think the military is? Oooops, never mind that question.

Kerry has been spewing hate, anger, venom, and disdain towards the military and its efforts since he accused our troops of being war criminals in Vietnam.

Some things never change.

17 posted on 10/31/2006 10:58:16 PM PST by stockstrader (“Where government advances–and it advances RELENTLESSLY-freedom is imperiled”-Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: sizzlemeister

Rush was talking about this today .. and said that there was a dem moritorium on saying anything about the Iraq war .. and he offered Reid, Pelosi, Kennedy, and the other usual suspects who have been unusually quiet - almost like being in hiding.

It's also been noted in the media that several of the hotly contested races show the dems moving to the right .. and then here was Kerry not only talking about Iraq .. but belittling our soldiers and exposing the dems true position regarding the military.

Aside from that - I see on FNC tonight that Kerry's appts for tomorrow have been cancelled. This has to mean the dems have shut him down because they don't want the public to know they agree with Kerry's statement.

BUT IT'S TOO LATE!! Woe to any candidate who tries to suppress the military vote.


18 posted on 10/31/2006 10:59:36 PM PST by CyberAnt (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: sizzlemeister

I think his statements reflect his elitest attitude. It slips through, even though he won't own up to it.


19 posted on 10/31/2006 11:04:06 PM PST by Cincinna (HILLARY & HER HINO " We are going to take things away from you for the Common Good ")
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To: sizzlemeister

Who doesn't read their paper speech before giving it?


20 posted on 10/31/2006 11:06:19 PM PST by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: sizzlemeister
Skerry is a R-A-T
21 posted on 10/31/2006 11:06:42 PM PST by Dallas59 (Muslims Are Only Guests In Western Countries)
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To: goresalooza

Yeah, it was just a slip.

Just like when he slipped up and accidently said our troops are murderers, that they burn down villages, attach electrical cables to genitalia, kill indiscriminately, etc...that's it - it's just a slip of the tongue.....


22 posted on 10/31/2006 11:09:33 PM PST by Wil H
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To: sizzlemeister

Coming to work today has been interesting. I am one of those "didn't work hard in school, didn't get a good education, ended up in the military types" and everyone around me is too. They are really fired up about this. A lot just find it humorous in a stupid kind of way that Kerry would even open his mouth about military service after he went in front of congress years back and gave his traitorous comments about the military back then. Most are just pissed that he would use his elitist ways to poison another generation of college students in this manner. Hopefully those college students will learn a lesson from this event. I am glad that the democrats are backing away from Kerry and his stupidity. Many will cancel their appearances with him and a good many may denounce the stupid comments. Just an observation from a guy who "had no other option than join the military" from the words of John Kerry.


23 posted on 10/31/2006 11:14:56 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: Wil H

"Just like when he slipped up and accidently said our troops are murderers, that they burn down villages, attach electrical cables to genitalia, kill indiscriminately, etc...that's it - it's just a slip of the tongue....."

Right, Wil...just a slip like when he said our troops were breaking into homes in Iraq, going after "children and kids"....oh yeah. Never mind that the troops are busting down doors looking for terrorist thugs.

yawn EFFING kerry is toast.



24 posted on 10/31/2006 11:18:49 PM PST by goresalooza (Nurses Rock!)
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"eventually when the Democrats seize power again in Washington they will put their foot down on this terribly pesky "new media" just like they're trying to put their foot down on talk-radio."


And then the Conservative half of this country will come after them with Pitchforks and Torches and toss them out of power (hopefully for good).
25 posted on 10/31/2006 11:19:30 PM PST by wodinoneeye
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To: sizzlemeister

The notion that John Kerry is a war hero is laughable. So basically if you are forced against your will to spend a few months in Vietnam, get a little shrapnel lodged in your skin, recieve some purple hearts that you then throw away, come home and demean your country and your fellow soldiers by calling them rapists and murderers, then spend the rest of your life criticizing the military and the commander in chief, you are a war hero!! I want to throw up every time he opens his mouth.

He is liar through and through. His statement was not a botched joke, and he is not a victim of the republicans. He is the dumb ass that said our military men and women are uneducated. While persuing a degree in Electrical Engineering, I was asked to join the military and offered nice benefits to do so. I didn't join, but I know for a fact that there are many college-educated soldiers that didn't join the millitary because they are stupid, or didn't have any other option. I don't agree with everything that Bush does and says, but he is the leader of your nation and MUST be followed. Honest criticism is healthy, but to bash him for political gain is un-american and is treasonous.


26 posted on 10/31/2006 11:22:36 PM PST by vegasdem
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To: Dallas59

I totally agree.


27 posted on 10/31/2006 11:22:36 PM PST by vegasdem
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To: sizzlemeister

I don't believe he planned it. He was talking to a friendly crowd who might take the path he has taken and was speaking candidly.

His contempt for our Servicemen is in his DNA and still potent and his feelings slipped out.


28 posted on 10/31/2006 11:32:28 PM PST by Rate_Determining_Step (It's in the Koran! Submit or Die)
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To: sizzlemeister
Only the Democrats know what the polls are really saying. So, at the last moment before the election they are trying to divide the nation. This time they screwed the pooch. Next Wednesday will be a black day for the Dems and MSM.
29 posted on 10/31/2006 11:39:04 PM PST by oyez (Why is it that egalitarians act like royalty?)
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To: sizzlemeister

TELL IT LIKE IT IS, KERRYDUDE

30 posted on 11/01/2006 12:21:46 AM PST by NaughtiusMaximus (Let's all be Magnificent Bastards. Turn out those Republican votes!)
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To: sizzlemeister

Kerry knew what he was saying. He smiled after delivering the punch line and waited for the laughter before continuing. Of course, Kerry has a history of stabbing the troops in the back. His false Senate testimony when he was dressed as a hippie, then later on, as a senator, covering up evidence of MIA's in Indochina to the point of shredding documents. This piece of human garbage is not worth the powder it would take to blow him away.


31 posted on 11/01/2006 12:37:44 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee (Anything a politician gives you he has first stolen from you)
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To: sizzlemeister

Did he 'slip' when he testified about Vietnam before Congress in 1971?

Did he 'slip' when he accused our troops of terrorizing women and children in Iraq in late 2005?

There was no slip, and no 'failed joke'. Kerry opened his mouth, and the filth that spewed forth was vintage Kerry.

The only question that remains is will he put in for a Purple Heart after this self inflicted wound to his party in '06 and his '08 Presidential hopes?


32 posted on 11/01/2006 12:44:59 AM PST by Reform4Bush
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To: All; sizzlemeister

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JOHN KERRY =


Pictures of a vietnamese Re-Education Camp

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1308949/posts

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33 posted on 11/01/2006 1:20:16 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com.)
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To: napscoordinator
A lot just find it humorous in a stupid kind of way that Kerry would even open his mouth about military service after he went in front of congress years back and gave his traitorous comments about the military back then.

This is what gets me too. The MSM unerringly brings up the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and say their allegations against Kerry were "unsubstantiated." What about Kerry's allegations back in 1971? Was anybody prosecuted for all those war crimes he described? Weren't some of the people Kerry joined with for the Winter Soldier presentation certifiably phony? How come HIS 'unsubstantiated allegations' get a pass?

34 posted on 11/01/2006 2:09:16 AM PST by L.N. Smithee (Dixie Chicks: "We're Not Ready To Make Sense!")
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To: sizzlemeister
One bonesman helping another. </sarc
35 posted on 11/01/2006 2:11:27 AM PST by Pro-Bush (hater)
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36 posted on 11/01/2006 2:16:17 AM PST by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8)
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To: sizzlemeister
Kerry said what he really thinks. He just can't believe what he really thinks can cause such a firestorm. This man lives in an elitist vacuum. Look at his history, he has never seen how any of his own actions might be construed by others.
37 posted on 11/01/2006 3:06:31 AM PST by Misschuck
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To: Mobile Vulgus
How can ANYONE doubt that John Francios Kerry absolutley meant to call our troops uneducated idiots? He absolutely MEANT to call our troops idiots.

You make an excellent point. After reading your post, I remembered that the left has been saying all along that the troops in Iraq ended up there because the economy is so bad that they can't get any other job. He was talking directly to them, and affirming their thinking. He really DID mean it the way it came out, and now he's back pedaling.

38 posted on 11/01/2006 3:09:06 AM PST by Hardastarboard (Why isn't there an "NRA" for the rest of my rights?)
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To: sizzlemeister

OK, he botched the joke. I wonder what the RIGHT version sounds like.


39 posted on 11/01/2006 3:37:33 AM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: sizzlemeister

You are exactly right. He did mean it, all you have to do is check out his history. He hated our troops then and he hates them now. He just figured that everyone at that college agrees with him and felt safe exposing his true feelings.


40 posted on 11/01/2006 3:42:03 AM PST by dforest (tired of the BS)
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To: sizzlemeister

He said similar things during the 2004 campaign; that young men and women had to enlist in the military because there were no opportunities for them.

This was NOT a slip. It is the true expression of his beliefs. His response confirms it:
1. State he meant to insult Bush;
2. Refuse to apologize;
3. Remind us that he was in Vietnaaaaaaam;
4. Make an adhominem attack on Limbaugh;
5. Attack Republicans for dirty tricks.

Nothing was an expression of regret for what he actually said. If he was a Republican the MSM and Democrats would be demanding his resignation. We should do the same.


41 posted on 11/01/2006 3:54:22 AM PST by johnpannell
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To: jwh_Denver

I've tried the sledgehammer, but O'Reillty doesn;t use it. (TO pithy for him, I guess.) So a gentler approach might work. To qutoe the late Jack Webb, "Just the facts."


42 posted on 11/01/2006 5:45:40 AM PST by TBP
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To: goresalooza

He meant the troops, he couldn't have meant Bush because Bush got an education, period. I think it is really stupid that he even tried to say that it was a bad joke on Bush.


43 posted on 11/01/2006 5:56:59 AM PST by tiki
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To: sizzlemeister
He was 'flashing back' to the Vietnam days of college deferments.

So, if one ended up in Vietnam they were 'stupid'.

44 posted on 11/01/2006 5:57:33 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth? (Gal.4:16))
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To: Red Steel
Hey, go easy, Kerry was just trying to boost those college kids' egos and encourage them!!! (but at the expense of our troops) /sarcasm off

He's absolute living proof that all that money doesn't buy class...or brains for that matter.

45 posted on 11/01/2006 6:44:09 AM PST by pray4liberty (School District horrors: http://totallyunjust.tripod.com)
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To: TBP
Why would O'Reilly appear to cover up for Kerry? Because he knows darn well what the reaction would be ... he could make this last until next Tuesday and beyond. If he just said Kerry is a fool it would be a one-day event and bring on his "defenders."

The man is far more masterful at media manipulation than the libs give him credit for. He is just rubbing his hands in glee. Fox's ratings will go up, up, up into Election Day while CNN's go into the toilet.

O'Reilly knows what he's doing.

46 posted on 11/01/2006 6:53:21 AM PST by pray4liberty (School District horrors: http://totallyunjust.tripod.com)
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Bet Kerry didn't sleep well last night. Bet that little joke was "seared" in his mind. He'll be having flashbacks for a long time.

Hillary loves it...I'm sure. Kerry has now done the Marcy Park Walk. Wonder if HER speechwriters were involved at all?

What state were some of the Terrorists in when they boarded on 9-11?? Boston, Mass??

What was it that Richard Clarke said about Usama "boogying up to Iraq" if we hit Afghanistan?

47 posted on 11/01/2006 7:02:50 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: sizzlemeister
I think he did slip up but he certaintly deserves what he's getting because:
- He did not correct himself after he said it. If he did that, it would have killed the story right there.
- We are in a war and saying our commander in chief got us into this war because he was uneducated is dangerous PR. Also, Bush is better educated that JF'enK, second, if W is so stupid, he got the majority of democrats to vote to go to war including JF'enK.
- Kerry's reluctance to apologize shows what kind of man this POS really is. He mis spoke, WE NEED NOT HEAR IT WRONG. He "apologizes to no one". He has also let everyone know what he thinks of people who haven't served in the military, and has pissed off everyone in the military. Also, what kind of MAN called Rush Limbaugh "doughy" and the president's Press Secretary a "stuffed suit"?
- If this guy had a record of being pro-troops, and acting like a patriot,; of being respectful of his opponents; of disagreeing with out being disagreeable; or didn't have a history of blatantly lying ("My family's SUV", Christmas in Cambodia, etc) this could have blown over with a half an apology, but when you have JF'enK''s history and you are a POS person, sooner or later your POS personality will catch up with you.

John F'en Kerry, you are getting what's coming to you!
48 posted on 11/01/2006 7:20:10 AM PST by jackieaxe (Unsourced reporting is not reporting but a lie or a manipulation)
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To: sizzlemeister
When I heard Chris Matthews trying to cover Kerry's ass, I knew Kerry meant what he said because even if you take what he said "in context".

It wasn't funny and insulting to people who have family members who serve in the military. Our relatives aren't ignorant and neither are we for supporting them during this difficult time. Thank you John Kerry for helping us elect more Republicans on November 7th.
49 posted on 11/01/2006 8:05:12 AM PST by kcbc2001
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To: tiki

Tiki, you are exactly right. kerry needs to resign....he's a huge liability to the dimwit party.

kerry dissed some 20 million active/retired/other vets across America. I guess the rats are ok with losing this large voting block.

LOL.


50 posted on 11/01/2006 8:51:49 AM PST by goresalooza (Nurses Rock!)
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