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CNN: "Electronic Voting Machines Shown to be Tamper Prone"
CNN | 11/2/06

Posted on 11/02/2006 12:09:47 PM PST by pabianice

Per CNN Headline News, 3:08pm ET ... the Leftist scare campaign is on. If they lose, it's because voting machines have been fixed by the Republicans. If they win, it's a victory over vote-stealing Republicans. A win-win for them.


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1 posted on 11/02/2006 12:09:48 PM PST by pabianice
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To: pabianice

You are correct, of course.

But I don't like the new computer machines.

I REALLY liked the scan-tron sheets --- record of paper, convenience of computer.


2 posted on 11/02/2006 12:12:26 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: pabianice

headline - CNN shown to be idiot prone ....
No news here, move along.


3 posted on 11/02/2006 12:12:48 PM PST by Waverunner
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To: pabianice

Not in Maryland - the Republican Governor has fought tooth and nail against the machines and advised people to vote by absentee ballot. There will certainly be manipulations, but NO WAY this can be laid on REPUBS in MD.


4 posted on 11/02/2006 12:13:22 PM PST by NoBullZone (Attempting to dispel ... bull*hit)
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To: pabianice
Let me guess... Bev Harris is showing her face on TV again?

She's got quite a track record for being wrong (even the DUmmies don't like her after being fleeced by her in 2004), and was one of the first to try to push the Bush Texas Air National Guard AWOL story back in November 2000. A Democrat political hack.
5 posted on 11/02/2006 12:15:11 PM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: pabianice

We in New Mexico don't have to worry about those evil tamper prone electronic voting machines.

We used paper ballots and then the dim state officials count them for us - having decided not to use an independent auditing firm after all. </s

Many third world countries have more transparent voting processes than this state.


6 posted on 11/02/2006 12:16:39 PM PST by Let's Roll ( "Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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To: pabianice

How would they know if they are tamper prone unless they have already tampered with them..


7 posted on 11/02/2006 12:17:43 PM PST by cardinal4 (Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi..)
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To: pabianice
"If they (the democrats) lose, it's because voting machines have been fixed by the Republicans."

If you didn't see this one coming, you're as dumb as John Kerry thinks you are.

8 posted on 11/02/2006 12:18:26 PM PST by twhitak
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To: pabianice

Sounds like the dims are spending more time prepping their excuses for when they lose than they are actually trying to win.


9 posted on 11/02/2006 12:18:43 PM PST by meowmeow (In Loving Memory of Our Dear Viking Kitty (1987-2006))
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To: Waverunner
reminds me of the current media buzz that two thirds of Americans do not support the Iraq war according to the latest CBS/CNN poll...

Yeah, riiiiiiight *wink, wink*

10 posted on 11/02/2006 12:19:00 PM PST by aligncare (Liberals? Mutants? You decide.!)
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To: conservative in nyc

How did you guess? Olbermann, who disavowed her a while back, had her back on last night.


11 posted on 11/02/2006 12:21:31 PM PST by mak5
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To: pabianice
Its beginning, the Dems already have their teams of lawyers lined up ready to go. The main reason for the polls that show an overwhelming probability of a Dem take over of one or both houses is to set a public expectation of their victory. When it again doesnt manifest itself at the polls they will pursue victory in the courts.
12 posted on 11/02/2006 12:21:39 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: pabianice
They just don't make 'em like they used to.

13 posted on 11/02/2006 12:24:00 PM PST by evets (Beer and wine.)
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To: pabianice

to bad for the D's they are either too stupid or too lazy to figure out how to tamper with the machines.....


14 posted on 11/02/2006 12:25:49 PM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: MeanWestTexan

"I REALLY liked the scan-tron sheets --- record of paper, convenience of computer."

That's what we use here in my part of Minnesota, and used where I used to live in CA. The fact that there is a paper record allows recounts.


15 posted on 11/02/2006 12:26:12 PM PST by MineralMan (Non-evangelical Atheist)
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To: pabianice

Shown to be tamper prone? By whom?

Our district used the new touch screen machines in the primary this year for the first time. When they are opened in the morning they print a readout of the totals on the machine; all zeros. If a number other than zero appears, we are to call the board of elections. At the closing of the polls they print out the total number of votes cast and a total for each candidate and public question. The start and finish printouts are signed by the four district board workers. These are placed in a sealed bag and returned to the municipal clerk's office.

As voters signed in, a voting authority was issued to each. The number of authorities issued is a cross check against the machine totals; if there are more votes cast than authorities issued, it will be obvious.

The RAT concern is that they have not found a way to jigger the machines.


16 posted on 11/02/2006 12:29:26 PM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help m)
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To: ConservativeDude
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Hey Rove! Got another one all set up.

17 posted on 11/02/2006 12:29:29 PM PST by michigander (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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To: pabianice

The ones complaining the most about this are the democrats and with good reason.They have an army of lawyers waiting to file suits and demand endless recounts.The reason they want paper ballots is so they can during recounts get enough of their people in there to tamper with the ballots.Be kinda hard to do with a computer.


18 posted on 11/02/2006 12:30:32 PM PST by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: mak5
Bev Harris has been pushing the Democrat fringe issue line for at least the past decade, if not before. And after leaving her Bush-AWOL pushing PR firm, talion.com, she wrote a "book" and moved on to so-called black-box voting. Now, she's getting an HBO documentary, and pushing the same scare tactic agenda again.

By the way, in New York, we still use 50-year-old level pull machines that provide absolutely NO paper trail (and have never done so since they were purchased). Yet I never see Bev Harris and her friends complaining about the reliability of these machines.
19 posted on 11/02/2006 12:31:21 PM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: pabianice

Why no such concern for the much more open Automatic Teller Machines?


20 posted on 11/02/2006 12:31:42 PM PST by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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To: michigander

heh


21 posted on 11/02/2006 12:31:50 PM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: pabianice
CNN's observation would be much more correct were it to include, "Machines show to be 'non-Tamper proof' however, in Democrat run U.S. Precincts, voter fraud is guaranteed."
22 posted on 11/02/2006 12:32:45 PM PST by zerosix
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To: supercat

Voting machine ping!


23 posted on 11/02/2006 12:48:20 PM PST by DBrow
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To: pabianice

Here we go,the dems and old media have their talking points down 5 days before the election.


24 posted on 11/02/2006 12:50:15 PM PST by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served, to keep us free.)
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To: pabianice

They want an American Oaxaca...


25 posted on 11/02/2006 12:54:48 PM PST by johnny7 (“And what's Fonzie like? Come on Yolanda... what's Fonzie like?!”)
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To: pabianice

Don't worry, because every Liberal who could contest their losses in this election has already moved to Canada shortly after the second Bush win in 2004. They promised to, and so they're gone.


26 posted on 11/02/2006 12:59:59 PM PST by 50sDad (The GOP dumped Foley, the Dems kept Clinton. See the difference?)
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To: pabianice
How tamper prone is tamper prone? Will the poll workers have a couple questions from me when I bring a screwdriver, soldering iron, notebook computer and an oscilloscope into the voting booth with me? Or do I just have to reach around back to press the big "ROVE!" button on the back to guarantee a Republican win in my district.
27 posted on 11/02/2006 1:20:06 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Hey Kerry, What part of showing heels and ass is a winning strategy in Iraq?)
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To: KarlInOhio

Hey Karl, my secret decoder ring just went off! Another unprogrammed Diebold machine has been found. I'll be back in a jiffy.


28 posted on 11/02/2006 1:22:28 PM PST by Night Hides Not (Closing in on 3000 posts, of which maybe 50 were worthwhile!)
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To: pabianice

Ha! We have Rove. I worry not!


29 posted on 11/02/2006 1:27:46 PM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: MeanWestTexan

Hbo premieres its documentary tonight, HACKING DEMOCRACY...The campaign (the real nasty one) is on!


30 posted on 11/02/2006 1:29:07 PM PST by Hildy
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To: Natural Law; pabianice; FrPR; bitt
Republicans really are quite horrid.

This may be hard to believe, but many of these bigots and homophobes from the Christian far right actually insist that minority group members only vote once, and then in the precinct where they are legally registered. Their sheer gall is breathtaking!

This racism, sexism, and undoubted homophobia means that those denied the vote in our land for hundreds of years will NEVER be able to make up the injustice!

And what of the dead? Is their duty to the Democrat Party supposed to be over merely because they assume ambient temperature? Isn't a dead Democrat absent? Why not an absentee ballot in every precinct in which the departed lived? Or once visited?

I have given up expecting fairness from you people. I'll see you in court. I.E., Right after I attend a moving service for a newly departed but duly registered future Democrat voter at a Ford Funeral Home in Tennessee... and volunteer as a juror or demonstrator at Anne Coulter's trial for illegal voting in Florida.

I am registered in both places, you know. Just like wealthy New York Democrat "Florida Snowbirds."

31 posted on 11/02/2006 1:34:01 PM PST by Kenny Bunk ("Just get me close, I'll do the rest." Donna Brazile, Election Consultant)
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To: Natural Law; pabianice; FrPR; bitt
Republicans really are quite horrid.

This may be hard to believe, but many of these bigots and homophobes from the Christian far right actually insist that minority group members only vote once, and then in the precinct where they are legally registered. Their sheer gall is breathtaking!

This racism, sexism, and undoubted homophobia means that those denied the vote in our land for hundreds of years will NEVER be able to make up the injustice!

And what of the dead? Is their duty to the Democrat Party supposed to be over merely because they assume ambient temperature? Isn't a dead Democrat absent? Why not an absentee ballot in every precinct in which the departed lived? Or once visited?

I have given up expecting fairness from you people. I'll see you in court. I.E., Right after I attend a moving service for a newly departed but duly registered future Democrat voter at a Ford Funeral Home in Tennessee... and volunteer as a juror or demonstrator at Anne Coulter's trial for illegal voting in Florida.

I am registered in both places, you know. Just like wealthy New York Democrat "Florida Snowbirds."

32 posted on 11/02/2006 1:34:30 PM PST by Kenny Bunk ("Just get me close, I'll do the rest." Donna Brazile, Election Consultant)
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To: pabianice

From The View today:

Joy B. told everyone that the machines are going to let the Republicans "win" because they have control of them. Says watch the exit polling (which will favor dems) and that will be different from the voting machines. Said there was something on HBO about it lastnight.

Bad news is Elizabeth agreed with her!!

Every day this week The View has been pushing for everyone to vote Democrat...yes, they're actually saying it. It's a disgusting show and I don't know why I watch it.....Maybe a need to know what the fools are saying or it's like rubbernecking at a wreck.


33 posted on 11/02/2006 1:39:59 PM PST by Danette ("If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.")
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To: Natural Law; pabianice; FrPR; bitt

If democrats can double-vote, can I double-post?


34 posted on 11/02/2006 1:44:04 PM PST by Kenny Bunk ("Just get me close, I'll do the rest." Donna Brazile, Election Consultant)
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To: conservative in nyc
No one, not one, Republican Big-Wig has ever said anything about the shocking vote frauds that carried big states for Gore and Kerry. Pennsylvania, Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsi .... ring a bell? Another issue our ever-alert RNC has given to the Democrats without a fight.
35 posted on 11/02/2006 1:48:50 PM PST by Kenny Bunk ("Just get me close, I'll do the rest." Donna Brazile, Election Consultant)
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To: Hildy

I'll try to catch it, just to see the talking points.

On a different topic:

Seen the whale, yet? :)


36 posted on 11/02/2006 1:49:06 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: MeanWestTexan

No, not yet. :) I'll keep ya posted though!


37 posted on 11/02/2006 1:50:05 PM PST by Hildy
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To: Danette

The truth is once the votes are cast the MSM and the Dems will have to have a reason they didn't do as well as predicted or perhaps God willing they lose seats!!

The closer to election day we get the more they are going to hype up this canard... silly GOTV strategy if you ask me why if you are like most the Koskids etc. would you leave your parents basement to vote if the election is rigged from the start?? No dood just sit back live off your parents and fire up the bong!!


38 posted on 11/02/2006 1:50:22 PM PST by MichiganRepublican
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To: pabianice

The whinning has started already. Just wait until Nov 8 when it really gets bad.


39 posted on 11/02/2006 1:51:05 PM PST by Starboard
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To: pabianice
Computerized voting machines should record a vote FOUR times. It should (A) issue a receipt to the voter, (B) record the vote on a paper scroll inside of themachine, (C) record it electronically internally, and (D) record it electronically at a central server via telephone, network, or cell phone connection. The electronic recordings should include a timestamp so that an impossibly fast series of votes, votes before polls open, or votes after polls close can be looked at. The electronic recording should also contain the raw touch-screen coordinates that were tapped by the user. If you want to be really secure, require each user to put their palm on a reader and record the biometrics of their hand, too.

That's what they'd do if they were really serious about voting fraud.

40 posted on 11/02/2006 1:51:09 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: pabianice

Hmmm...This didn't come up at the Diebold board meeting that Karl Rove and I attended. I wonder if there's any truth to it?


41 posted on 11/02/2006 1:54:00 PM PST by oblomov (Join the FR Folding@Home Team (#36120) keyword: folding@home)
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To: Kenny Bunk

it was worth saying, twice!


42 posted on 11/02/2006 4:10:50 PM PST by bitt ("And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.")
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To: pabianice

and of course, the inference is that the GOP will win because of tampering. But, but, i thought the GOP base was just a bunch of redneck, hayseed, Bible thumpers in fly over country. How could such bumbling idiots figure out how to tamper w/a machine?


43 posted on 11/02/2006 4:12:41 PM PST by sappy
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To: KarlInOhio
How tamper prone is tamper prone?

According to freedomtotinker.com, the poll workers aggregating data from the Diebold machine's memory cards stuck the cards into the poll workers' personal laptops. Am I the only person here who sees something wrong with that?

44 posted on 11/02/2006 8:43:11 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: JimRed
When they are opened in the morning they print a readout of the totals on the machine; all zeros. If a number other than zero appears, we are to call the board of elections.

To the machines keep an unalterable count of how many times they've been reset?

45 posted on 11/02/2006 8:44:34 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: supercat
To the machines keep an unalterable count of how many times they've been reset?

As a mere district official, I do not know the answer to that question. And assuming can get me into trouble!

46 posted on 11/03/2006 11:35:49 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help m)
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To: dhuffman@awod.com
Why no such concern for the much more open Automatic Teller Machines?

At least ATM's give you a paper receipt. Why can't these voting machines print out your ballot which you can drop in a ballot box, providing an audit trail should one be necessary?

47 posted on 11/04/2006 11:20:35 AM PST by TexasKamaAina
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To: pabianice

they must be hedging their bets against a liberal landslide


48 posted on 11/04/2006 11:21:22 AM PST by InvisibleChurch (The default mode of the heart is set for Drift.)
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To: Kenny Bunk
"And what of the dead?"

You bring up a number of interesting points and until your post I never realized that I was guilty of discriminating against the dead.

The shame of it all....I'm a deadist...or is that a necroist?

I feel a new tag line coming on...

49 posted on 11/04/2006 12:25:50 PM PST by Proud_texan (Necrocism -- discriminating against dead voters.)
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To: Proud_texan

Well, depending on the age of your dictionary, the definition of that other -ism may be 'the belief that race provides an inherent hierarchy' then death certainly is inherently hierarchical. The living are hier[sic] than the dead.

Either we are equal or we are not Good people should be armed where they will, with wits and guns. NRA KMA


50 posted on 11/04/2006 1:02:41 PM PST by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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