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It's a Candidate Calling. Again
Washington Post ^ | 11/7/06 | Charles Babington and Alec MacGillis

Posted on 11/07/2006 11:37:57 AM PST by steve-b

This year's heavy volume of automated political phone calls has infuriated countless voters and triggered sharp complaints from Democrats, who say the Republican Party has crossed the line in bombarding households with recorded attacks on candidates in tight House races nationwide....

An Ohio woman, who did not leave her name, called The Washington Post in tears yesterday, saying she could not keep her phone line open to hospice workers caring for her terminally ill mother because of nonstop political robo-calls.

Pamela Lorenz, a retired nurse in Roseville, Calif., called her own experience "harassment as far as I'm concerned" and said, "If I were voting right now, the opponent who's doing this, he'd be off my list for throwing that much trash."

Hour after hour and day after day for two weeks, Lorenz's home has received the same NRCC recorded message attacking Charlie Brown, the Democrat who is challenging Rep. John T. Doolittle (R) in a hard-fought battle in northeastern California....

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KEYWORDS: junkcalls; telemarketing
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1 posted on 11/07/2006 11:37:57 AM PST by steve-b
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To: steve-b

Nobody has a right to complain about their house getting called unless they are on the "do not call list".

Anyone using a marketing machine has to first download that list by law before using the machine.

I help a doctor run one of these for his marketing, so I know of what I speak of here.


2 posted on 11/07/2006 11:40:37 AM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: steve-b
An Ohio woman, who did not leave her name, called The Washington Post in tears yesterday, saying she could not keep her phone line open to hospice workers caring for her terminally ill mother because of nonstop political robo-calls

Yeah, OK. The GOP is now attacking defenseless old women with phone calls. WOMEN AND CHILDREN HARDEST HIT!

3 posted on 11/07/2006 11:40:42 AM PST by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: steve-b

LOL...I've gotten two calls from Joe Piscapo saying even though he was a democrat,that he was voting for Kean the Republican.


Doogle


4 posted on 11/07/2006 11:41:34 AM PST by Doogle (USAF 68-73...."never store a threat you should have eliminated")
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To: A CA Guy

I AM ON THE DO NOT CALL LIST AND STILL GO OVER A DOZEN OF THESE CALLS LAST WEEKEND!!!!!! How the #$%(&%(&^)!@ do I get off theist (*&$%@! list!!!!


5 posted on 11/07/2006 11:42:32 AM PST by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: A CA Guy

I may be mistaken, but I believe political parties are exempt from using the "do not call" list.


6 posted on 11/07/2006 11:43:56 AM PST by FourPeas (The right thing to do never requires any subterfuge, it is always simple and direct. Calvin Coolidge)
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To: A CA Guy

I am no expert here, but I do not believe the do-not-call lists pertain to political calling


7 posted on 11/07/2006 11:44:57 AM PST by EagleClaw
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To: Hydroshock

Political organizations are exempt from the Do Not Call List.


8 posted on 11/07/2006 11:45:12 AM PST by jaredt112
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To: steve-b

I heard about this on the ride into work this morning. Tom Davis, Allen & Giuliani have all called me and I’ve got about a metric ton of campaign flyers from the GOP, but not one piece of propaganda from the Dims. I just assumed that the GOP sent stuff to GOP folks, and the Dims sent stuff to the Dims. Are folks who aren't registered getting stuff from both parties?

By the way, the phone calls and flyers don't bother me nearly as much as what goes on at any metro station (in the DC Metro) on Election Day. I’ve had gang initiation gauntlets that were easier to run.


9 posted on 11/07/2006 11:45:25 AM PST by tfecw (It's for the children)
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To: A CA Guy
I don't think the "do not call" list has anything to do with political campaigns..

If I understand it correctly, you actually have to verbally tell the caller to put you on THEIR do not call list when you receive a political call.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong ---- I believe political calls do not fall under the restrictions of the all-encompassing "do not call" list.

10 posted on 11/07/2006 11:45:36 AM PST by coder2
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To: A CA Guy

Political calls are not covered by the law.


11 posted on 11/07/2006 11:46:23 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (`)
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To: jaredt112

That is one law that needs changing ASAP!!!!!!!


12 posted on 11/07/2006 11:46:33 AM PST by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: A CA Guy

You can register your phone number for free, and it will remain on the national do-not-call list for five years. You may re-enter your number on the list when the five years have passed, and you may remove your number from the list at any time.

The Do-Not-Call registry does not prevent all unwanted calls. It does not cover the following:

* calls from organizations with which you have established a business relationship;

* calls for which you have given prior written permission;

* calls which are not commercial or do not include unsolicited advertisements;

* calls by or on behalf of tax-exempt non-profit organizations.


13 posted on 11/07/2006 11:46:42 AM PST by FoxInSocks
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To: FourPeas

Wow, if that were the case, people would have a good case to be pissed.
You could be right 4Ps because I only know the business law on the issue, I assumed it was all the same.

What a horrible situation...


14 posted on 11/07/2006 11:46:53 AM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: steve-b

We got a call from the RNC asking us to vote for Richard Nixon.


15 posted on 11/07/2006 11:47:08 AM PST by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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To: steve-b
"An Ohio woman, who did not leave her name, called The Washington Post in tears yesterday, saying she could not keep her phone line open to hospice workers caring for her terminally ill mother because of nonstop political robo-calls." ROFLMAO! It never ends...
16 posted on 11/07/2006 11:47:27 AM PST by AKSurprise ("Massachusetts 10,555 sq miles surrounded by reality".)
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To: EagleClaw

I didn't know that, boy that really sucks.


17 posted on 11/07/2006 11:48:05 AM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
I am on a DO NOT CALL LIST, but it exempts political calls. I pay the local phone company to screen my calls, and still the robo-calls got through this year.

Judging by the "unhappy customers" who I talked to while waiting in line to vote this morning, I think that candidates, parties and issues coalitions should re-think these calls next time around. IT IS REALLY TICKING PEOPLE OFF!

18 posted on 11/07/2006 11:49:58 AM PST by A Citizen Reporter (Sign at World Series in St. Louis, October 27, 2006 "The Experts are Idiots")
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To: Hydroshock
Wow, I was informed by folks here that political abuse of a gazillion calls by machine are exempt regarding the "do not call list"! Yikes.

If you get calls beyond that, type in do-not-call-list in google and it will direct you to a place to register and in a month the calls (minus political ones) will cease.
19 posted on 11/07/2006 11:50:18 AM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A Citizen Reporter
Yes, especially if people call homes before 9:30am, at lunch time or after 5pm at night.
20 posted on 11/07/2006 11:52:07 AM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: FoxInSocks

Thanks, that information is a pisser.


21 posted on 11/07/2006 11:52:35 AM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: steve-b
An Ohio woman, who did not leave her name, called The Washington Post in tears yesterday, saying she could not keep her phone line open to hospice workers caring for her terminally ill mother because of nonstop political robo-calls.
She did not leave her name. What a shock.
22 posted on 11/07/2006 11:53:20 AM PST by Asclepius (protectionists would outsource our dignity and prosperity in return for illusory job security)
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To: steve-b

I've had calls from the Republicans, but I've had twice as many from the Dems.


23 posted on 11/07/2006 11:53:23 AM PST by Krodg
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To: Psycho_Bunny

That is going to drive people nuts.


24 posted on 11/07/2006 11:53:41 AM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

"Nobody has a right to complain about their house getting called unless they are on the "do not call list".

I'm on the state and Federal do no call lists and I've been inundated. I don't think they apply to political and charity calls.


25 posted on 11/07/2006 11:54:24 AM PST by dljordan
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To: Hydroshock
I AM ON THE DO NOT CALL LIST AND STILL GO OVER A DOZEN OF THESE CALLS LAST WEEKEND!!!!!! How the #$%(&%(&^)!@ do I get off theist (*&$%@! list!!!!
Dude. Your caps lock key got stuck. And then your keyboard turned all sideways. I have a suggestion: callerID.
26 posted on 11/07/2006 11:54:51 AM PST by Asclepius (protectionists would outsource our dignity and prosperity in return for illusory job security)
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To: A CA Guy
I meant to add, that being the political animal that I am, I don't really mind the calls. And in fact, this year, all the robo calls were contained within the last two days, (which I really prefer than having them stretched over a week, as before.)

However, listening to other people this morning, I was surprised by how much they hated the calls.

27 posted on 11/07/2006 11:56:05 AM PST by A Citizen Reporter (Sign at World Series in St. Louis, October 27, 2006 "The Experts are Idiots")
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To: A CA Guy

It does, and I believe it also exempts calls from non-profits so we still also get those fundraising calls.

I have been getting these calls consistently for the last week, from both sides but more from the R side- -GOTV effort I am sure. Last night was especially bad - I can empathasize with the woman in the article - seemed like we got a call every 5 minutes until after 9 p.m.

I also have a peeve with these calls - the speakers are often (but not always) almost monotone, and it also seems that the calls must be modified to eliminate the dead space between sentences to shorten the call duration. They make the already machine-generated calls sound even more machine-like. Personally, I question how effective they are.

On the other hand, I was able to tell a friend the other day that I had gotten calls from Newt, George Bush, and John McCain, all in the same day!


28 posted on 11/07/2006 11:58:13 AM PST by EagleClaw
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To: steve-b

I had a call from Clint Eastwood last night urging me to vote for some right wing republican wacko in California. (I did this morning, of course.)


29 posted on 11/07/2006 11:58:23 AM PST by Doomonyou (Moderate Bumper Sticker: Bush Lied, Terrorists Died!)
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To: dljordan
That is what I am hearing. That seems horrible to me, the private sector is banned, but the political hacks get special privilege? That is total cr@p IMO.
30 posted on 11/07/2006 11:59:57 AM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A Citizen Reporter
If it is allowed, I can see how they would use it.

Helps a lot if calls are limited to between 9:15am stopped at 11:45am-12:45pm and then go till no later than 7pm.

My friend (a doc) gets great results with those times.

He also does not use the calling machine on weekends.
31 posted on 11/07/2006 12:03:23 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: steve-b

Three calls from Joe Piscopo and one from ex-governor Kean - sheeeeesh.....


32 posted on 11/07/2006 12:05:48 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: jaredt112

I thought NC Rep Foxx drew up a bill (adding political campaigns to the do not call list) which was passed by Congress two yrs ago. At least that was a campaign promise. Wonder what happened? She's GOP too!


33 posted on 11/07/2006 12:09:01 PM PST by ncpatriot
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To: dljordan
I don't think they apply to political and charity calls.

The lists do not block these two categories of calls.

It's the last day. We can deal with it because it's working to get our vote out. The small inconvenience is worth it IMO, and I've gotten at least 10 calls today myself. If it's a recording, I simply hang up, if a person, I thank them to their efforts and ask them not to waste time with me, it's no use preaching to the choir today, call somebody who might not be sure yet.

Tomorrow we can be glad it's over.

34 posted on 11/07/2006 12:13:35 PM PST by kAcknor (Don't flatter yourself.... It is a gun in my pocket.)
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To: Intolerant in NJ

Take it back - just had one from President George W. Bush - hooray....


35 posted on 11/07/2006 12:17:42 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: kAcknor
Tomorrow we can be glad it's over start leaning on politicians to close the loopholes in the Do Not Call list.
36 posted on 11/07/2006 12:20:00 PM PST by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: tfecw
I’ve got about a metric ton of campaign flyers from the GOP, but not one piece of propaganda from the Dims. I just assumed that the GOP sent stuff to GOP folks, and the Dims sent stuff to the Dims. Are folks who aren't registered getting stuff from both parties?

I'm a registered Republican in Ohio and I've gotten at least 4 times as much junk in the mail from Democrats than from Republicans.

I've received more mail encouraging me to vote for Sherrod Brown than I have credit card applications.

37 posted on 11/07/2006 12:25:34 PM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: tfecw
I have gotten about 5,000 flyers from both sides (some especially NASTY ones put out by the DNC and the Gillebrand campaign). I have recieved robo-calls from both sides. I hang up on the Dem ones and listen to the Republican ones (even if it IS a recording I can't bring myself to hang up on President Bush, First Lady Laura Bush, Rudy Guliani or Congressman Sweeney!).

I have also recieved about 500 calls from a live person for the Gillebrand campaign. I generally try to keep them on the phone for as long as I can stand it and then finally tell them I'm voting for Sweeney! ;) (Which I did earlier today...and I will be praying the rest of the day that he defeats that inexperienced, liberal, toe-the Nancy Peloisi-line democrat running against him).

38 posted on 11/07/2006 12:28:54 PM PST by blinachka (Vechnaya Pamyat Daddy... xoxo)
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To: steve-b
I got a Spanish language GOTV call from the local Donks yesterday, with a live person for a change. I speak fluent Spanish but I told him that I prefer to speak English on my own phone. He apologized, told me that he did not speak enough English to do that, and hung up. (my last name is of Iberian Jewish origin and often shows up on automated searches for "Hispanic surnames")
39 posted on 11/07/2006 12:29:29 PM PST by atomic conspiracy (Death to terrorists, death to traitors, death to (draw the obvious conclusion))
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To: steve-b
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40 posted on 11/07/2006 12:30:24 PM PST by Anti-MSM
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To: A CA Guy

It apparently was happening in NH and Indiana, but it's been stopped.

Who else here is happy today is election day because the ads are over?

The last week, we didn't get any commercials except congressional attack ads from both sides, over and over and over again.

The ads have basically been running since labor day. I am not exaggerating that saying there was only 1, that is right, 1 policy issue, proposal brought up in the dozens of different ads run. They were all, you are sleazier than me.

The one policy proposal by the challenger btw was to give tax breaks to veterans. That was all the issues being discussed for 3 months. Makes me want to bury my head in the sand.


41 posted on 11/07/2006 12:32:35 PM PST by dogbyte12
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To: A Citizen Reporter
I saw some drivel in the Washington Post by a guy who tried to defend robo-calls. "The writer is an account manager at the Mack-Crounse Group, a Democratic political consulting firm."

Here's the end of it. The last paragraph contains a particularly ridiculous argument. Oh, preceding the column were four letters from readers annoyed by the calls -- nobody submitted a letter in support of this practice.

"Robo-dials can be inconvenient, and I know there are times when mistakes are made and your phone rings at a strange time, but typically these calls take 30 seconds, and they represent the freedom of speech that our country was founded on.

<snip>

"So, before getting too upset about the robo-dials that you are no doubt being bombarded with this weekend, think about what they are: a political campaign spending a small amount of money to use one of the few mass-education tactics available to reach out to you and get (or keep) you involved in the electoral process.

"Instead of hanging up on the call, realize that this is American democracy in action and that there is nothing wrong with an automated call requesting that you participate. After all, many sacrifices have been made over the course of American history to preserve our right to vote. A phone call or two reminding us to exercise that right is certainly something we can all live with."

42 posted on 11/07/2006 12:39:23 PM PST by FoxInSocks
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To: FoxInSocks
"and they represent the freedom of speech that our country was founded on."

Uh no, the constitution does not guarantee you a right to 'market' to me on my private telephone line.

43 posted on 11/07/2006 12:44:21 PM PST by A Citizen Reporter (Sign at World Series in St. Louis, October 27, 2006 "The Experts are Idiots")
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To: Hydroshock

I agree...when caller ID says out of area or unknown I press talk than off so the darn thing quits ringing!!!!!

I am on the do not call list but they still come through....




44 posted on 11/07/2006 12:44:41 PM PST by Kimmers (As a former fetus, I am against abortion.)
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To: steve-b

Our governor has called me twice, as hve Rudy giuliani and Sarah Brady (about a local legislative race. She helped me figure out who NOT to vote for.)


45 posted on 11/07/2006 12:54:07 PM PST by TBP
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To: A CA Guy
Nobody has a right to complain about their house getting called unless they are on the "do not call list".

I hvae all my numbers on that list and I still get them.

46 posted on 11/07/2006 12:55:11 PM PST by TBP
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To: A CA Guy
Nobody has a right to complain about their house getting called unless they are on the "do not call list".

Political calls are exempted. Obviously, that needs to change.

47 posted on 11/07/2006 12:56:44 PM PST by 3niner (War is one game where the home team always loses.)
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To: A CA Guy

Political calls are exempt from the "do not call" list.


48 posted on 11/07/2006 1:00:15 PM PST by sauropod ("Come have some pie with me.")
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To: Kimmers

Me too. The do-not-call list only works for some calls. Thanks to Caller ID, I only answer if I recognize the person who's calling.

If I don't know you, then if I'm in a really good mood I MIGHT let you leave a message on the answering service. Otherwise, you're SOL.


49 posted on 11/07/2006 1:01:11 PM PST by BMIC
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To: steve-b
I had a live person call asking for support for George Allen and Joann Davis. I enthusiastically thanked the nice lady and told her they would need a rope and a truck to keep me from voting. I also had a nice conversation with Rudy for thirty seconds (turned out it was a recording).
I mostly hang up when it's a recorded message. I didn't get any from the Dims though I would have talked to them for as long as they could bear to hear me tell them what whiners and losers they are!
50 posted on 11/07/2006 1:01:17 PM PST by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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