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Cairo street crowds target women
BBC ^ | Wednesday, 1 November 2006, 14:36 GMT | By Magdi Abdelhadi

Posted on 11/07/2006 1:40:34 PM PST by Eurotwit

The incidents were first reported online by Egyptian bloggers, some of whom saw large number of men harassing the women and ripping off their clothes.

It all happened over the Eid al-Fitr period starting on 23 October, as thousands of young men thronged the streets of central Cairo to celebrate the end of the fasting month of Ramadan.

One blogger who took pictures of what happened dubbed the incidents "sexual voracity down town".

According to the bloggers, the attackers targeted veiled as well as unveiled women who happened to be on their own.

The state media ignored the incidents, but ordinary Egyptians where shocked when they heard for the first time eyewitness accounts broadcast on the private television channel Dream.

Women chased

"We saw one girl being chased by a man, her blouse torn off, she ran inside a restaurant," one eyewitness reported.

We took the girl inside and locked the door. There were four or five of us. But there were hundreds of young men outside trying to break down the door Cairo shop owner

"Seconds later young boys were shouting that there was another one by the Miami cinema. We went there and saw another girl surrounded by a crowd trying to assault her. She managed to run inside a nearby building.

"A third girl jumped into a cab as she was being chased. But the taxi couldn't move because of the crowd. Then they tried to pull the driver out of the car then the girl herself," the witness told Dream TV.

One eyewitness was too embarrassed to recount what he saw: "There were youths harassing the young women. What a shame! I really can not say any more about it."

Social malaise

One blogger wrote that as the police failed to protect the women, shop keepers had to intervene.

A shop owner described to the TV station what happened: "We took the girl inside and locked the door. There were four or five of us. But there were hundreds of young men outside trying to break down the door."

The bloggers blamed the incidents on widespread sexual frustration among Egypt's youths.

Most of them cannot afford to get married and premarital sex is strictly forbidden.

One commentator said that this was evidence of the breakdown of law and order in Egypt.

Another said the state deployed the police only to suppress political dissent but could not care less about the welfare of its own citizens.

A psychologist, Amr Abu Khaleel, attributed the predatory behaviour to the possible use of drugs and the breakdown of traditional values. Egyptians are horrified by the news that women have been assaulted by hordes of young men in the centre of the capital, Cairo.

One prominent writer and journalist, Nabeel Sharaf al-Deen, said that such behaviour was the symptom of a deeper malaise in Egyptian society and warned that such incidents were the first stirrings of much bigger social unrest.

A statement by the ministry of the interior played down the incident, adding that it had not received any complaints from the public. It urged those who had anything to report to contact the police.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: egypt; eid; eidalfitr; eidiots; genderapartheid; happyramadan; islam; misogyny; religionofrape; rop

1 posted on 11/07/2006 1:40:35 PM PST by Eurotwit
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To: Eurotwit


Egyptian views on street assaults
Three young women in Cairo give their reactions to news that women were assaulted by crowds of young men in the city during Eid celebrations.

HANIN HANAFY, DEVELOPMENT WORKER, CAIRO, 28

I think chaos is spreading in Egypt.

There are the social and economic problems which mean that there's no work and people are too poor to get married.

Cairo Eid crowds: Bloggers say the picture shows a shop owner giving shelter to a woman who was assaulted
Blogs broke the story that has scandalised Egyptians (Picture: misrdigital.com)

There are problems with a lack of democracy. And also a lack of basic services such as decent education and transport.

You can't even walk safely along the street, there are so many road accidents.

It all points to one thing: a state which does not protect its people or provide them with the basics.

The targets for all these problems become the women - or Christians - who are the most vulnerable.

I can believe the police did nothing to help, because it has happened before.

In May last year women taking part in a political demonstration were sexually harassed in front of police.

Some incidents were encouraged by the officers, to frighten women away from demonstrations. This is the way police often handle security in public places.

But at the end of the day the police are not the problem; the issue is one of a state and society in collapse.

DINA ORIBY, INTERNATIONAL MUSLIM WOMEN'S NGO, CAIRO, 27

This is quite shocking. This incident was an attack on all our values. It went beyond everything we condemn.

In Egypt we don't approve of having intimate relationships in the street; of people kissing or holding hands.

So how come we have reached such an extreme of touching and bothering people?

I do think it reflects the state of corruption we live in.

I'm talking about a lack of good education and upbringing. I think the role of parenthood and Islamic preaching is missing.

We're concerned with how to pray and fast, but not with how to bring up good citizens.

Parents need to know how to punish and how to reward.

The state schools are deteriorating more and more. There are some good schools, but they only take the children of the wealthy.

I don't blame the police for not doing more. They are not paid enough and not appreciated properly. They are poor people in the first place, they are miserable and suffering too.

We have a problem in Egypt that our rights aren't protected anyway.

ELHAM FATHI, TRANSLATOR, CAIRO, 24

I was shocked when I read about this in the blogs. I nearly cried; I pictured myself having to face this kind of shameful experience.

I think there are many reasons young men are behaving like this. It shows how desperate they have become through poverty and unemployment. This means they have to wait longer before they can get married.

The media also has a role to play in this through the images it presents. Movies show heroes as drug addicts and outlaws.

Video clips and commercials use women's bodies and bad language to sell things.

I can believe that the police did nothing to help the women, because I have had experience of this myself.

Once, when I was being kerb-crawled by a man in a car I ran to a policeman for help. He said it was none of his business.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6107216.stm


2 posted on 11/07/2006 1:41:26 PM PST by Eurotwit (WI)
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To: Eurotwit
There can be no civilization with islam as a major part.
3 posted on 11/07/2006 1:43:08 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: Eurotwit

I hope the brothers and fathers of the girls go find these yutes and give some family justice. No excuse for that behaivor.

Paris? Cairo? What's the difference?


4 posted on 11/07/2006 1:44:55 PM PST by xusafflyer (Mexifornian by birth, Hoosier by choice.)
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To: Eurotwit
Isn't full facial nudity banned in most muslim countries?
5 posted on 11/07/2006 1:46:04 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (If a pug barks and no one is around to hear it... they hold a grudge for a long time!)
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To: Eurotwit

I guess the Liberal response would be to up the money we give to the Egyptian government. /S


6 posted on 11/07/2006 1:46:54 PM PST by rocksblues (Do unto others as they do unto you!)
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To: Eurotwit

I thought this only happened in Europe...


7 posted on 11/07/2006 1:47:07 PM PST by Captain Rhino ( Dollars spent in India help a friend; dollars spent in China arm an enemy.)
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To: xusafflyer

I hope they don't kill the girls to restore the family honor.


8 posted on 11/07/2006 1:47:16 PM PST by definitelynotaliberal
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To: Eurotwit

Business as usual, we're just paying more attention to these barbarians now.


9 posted on 11/07/2006 1:47:21 PM PST by rageaholic
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To: Eurotwit; MadIvan; Alouette; Salem; All

DAMN Egyptian cops didn't do jack


10 posted on 11/07/2006 1:49:48 PM PST by SevenofNine ("Step aside Jefe"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: Eurotwit

Damn that Bush!


11 posted on 11/07/2006 1:50:15 PM PST by D_Idaho
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To: Eurotwit

Sounds like the money Uncle Sam is sending to Egypt, mainly so the country can remain stable, isn't helping much. I hope this does not forbode an islamic revolution and establishment of harsh Sharia law in Egypt. That would just create an ally of Hamas in Gaza and, maybe even bring Egypt back into war with Israel.


12 posted on 11/07/2006 1:50:29 PM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Eurotwit

Reminds me of Central Park.


13 posted on 11/07/2006 1:51:25 PM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: definitelynotaliberal

Yup. Under islam, it's the fault of the women for being unescorted by a male relative. After all, such women are like unprotected meat. You can't expect the cats to stay away. (just paraphrasing that crazy Australian muslim imam).


14 posted on 11/07/2006 1:52:35 PM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Eurotwit
Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting
15 posted on 11/07/2006 1:53:43 PM PST by fat city (What part of cognitive dissonance don't you understand?)
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To: Eurotwit
Islam - such peace and tolerance! And what a way to end the "holy month of ramadan"
16 posted on 11/07/2006 1:53:43 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: doc30

And the internal preventive to a Sharia coup may be almost as bad. I would not rule out a return to a hard line anti Western Stalinist regime, ala Nasser.


17 posted on 11/07/2006 1:54:04 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: definitelynotaliberal

Bttt


18 posted on 11/07/2006 1:54:48 PM PST by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: Eurotwit
A statement by the ministry of the interior ... urged those who had anything to report to contact the police.

Preview of America without full force of the 2nd Amendment.

19 posted on 11/07/2006 1:55:08 PM PST by LurkedLongEnough
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To: kinoxi

I read recently from an Imam? "If you put a can of cat food out and the cat eats it, it is not the cats fault"!


20 posted on 11/07/2006 1:55:08 PM PST by SF Republican
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To: Eurotwit
I am not surprised by this.......there are many religions that sprung up or were tilted to rationalize the belittlement and ownership of women as property...

I am sure these nice young Muslim me will say the women asked for it by actually being in public.....

21 posted on 11/07/2006 1:56:28 PM PST by cherry
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To: Eurotwit

Outfitting the young ladies with Kalashnikovs and multipe full magazines would go a long way toward restoring order ...


22 posted on 11/07/2006 1:57:26 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Eurotwit

I think this is the original blog - in any case it has video and pictures of the incidents.

http://misrdigital.blogspirit.com/

I did not see any obvious nudity but there is violence and I cannot guarentee there is not some nudity in the videos as I did not watch them all - best to consider this site possible not work safe.

Here are two sample work safe pictures
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/9720/ola1kp2.jpg
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/3621/p1270077xt1.jpg


23 posted on 11/07/2006 1:57:26 PM PST by gondramB (It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.)
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To: kinoxi

No question about it. 'swhy we need to remove them from over here.


24 posted on 11/07/2006 1:57:31 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: Eurotwit
Pictures
25 posted on 11/07/2006 2:01:17 PM PST by Bon mots
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To: Eurotwit
"The state media ignored the incidents..."

Didn't happen if you didn't see it in the news...

26 posted on 11/07/2006 2:04:11 PM PST by etcetera (‘War is permanently established until the Day of the Judgment’. Mohammed)
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To: Eurotwit
Wow! Sounds almost as bad as Paris!


27 posted on 11/07/2006 2:04:26 PM PST by Bon mots
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"the attackers targeted veiled as well as unveiled women"

I thought veiled women were protected by the modesty of their veils and were supposed to be safe. Isn't that what the Australian imam said? Sarc/off


28 posted on 11/07/2006 2:06:05 PM PST by kalee
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To: Eurotwit
This is just unspeakably awful.

What a terrible religion and what a despicable, corrupt and utterly worthless Government Egypt has.

What Egypt and all unreformed Islamic countries need is an "Underground Railroad" of sorts, to allow women who want to escape this madness an opportunity to do so.  It would provide them with secret transit to neighboring countries that have some degree of sanity, and an ability to start a new life with a new identity, to shield them from the repercussions of their 'families'..

Just as Christians played a major role in the abolition of Slavery here in the USA, so they could also play a role in the abolition of  the slavery of women in the Muslim world.

Thanks to the internet, funding would such an organization would be easy.  It could be done via PayPal   or any other preexisting payment mechanism.

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29 posted on 11/07/2006 2:13:29 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Eurotwit

Sexually frustrated? What'd they do-run out of farm animals?


30 posted on 11/07/2006 2:14:20 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (Common sense will do to liberalism what the atomic bomb did to Nagasaki-Rush Limbaugh)
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To: Eurotwit

The old bulls in a polygamous society have to get rid of the young males so the old bulls can have all the young females for themselves.


31 posted on 11/07/2006 2:22:54 PM PST by tkathy (The choice is clear: White hat people or white flag people.)
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To: Eurotwit
It's not genetic (humanity is not that separated) but it does seem to be cultural. In other countries (not only the Western ones) people can ordinarily walk down the street without being attacked. This makes it seem as if the order for them to go with a male relative is credible. The Islamic world is in need of a huge cultural overhaul.
32 posted on 11/07/2006 2:28:35 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.freerepublic.com/~jedimasterpikachu/ The tables should be frozen in place, now.)
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To: K4Harty

Not most, that is too extreme. Former Afghanistan seems to be the only one, unless another freeper knows otherwise.


33 posted on 11/07/2006 2:29:42 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.freerepublic.com/~jedimasterpikachu/ The tables should be frozen in place, now.)
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To: 2banana

Ramadan has been over for some time (at least around a week).


34 posted on 11/07/2006 2:30:48 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.freerepublic.com/~jedimasterpikachu/ The tables should be frozen in place, now.)
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To: SF Republican

An Australian imam to be exact.


35 posted on 11/07/2006 2:31:19 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.freerepublic.com/~jedimasterpikachu/ The tables should be frozen in place, now.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

"The Islamic world is in need of a huge cultural overhaul."

That is the understatement of the decade.


36 posted on 11/07/2006 2:33:25 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: Eurotwit
I think the role of parenthood and Islamic preaching is missing.

Boy, SOMEONE needs to wake up and smell the blood!

Things like this happen BECAUSE of Muslim Parenting and BECAUSE of Islamic preaching.

When it's drummed into these young thugs minds from the time they can walk that women and christians and jews and other infidels are at the same level as animals and that Islam and Muslim men are the answer to every question the universe has ever asked or will ever ask, the result is that there is no respect for people, no respect for life, no respect for property, no respect for anything that isn't islamic.

Man, did I say that in one sentence??? ;)

That's the root of this kind of problem. Not because of the ABSENSE of Islam, but because of the PRESENCE of Islam.

And MANY,MANy, MANY more people will have to die before islam understand this, if they ever do which I doubt.

When muslim men are TAUGHT that torture, rape, beheading, maiming, murder, kidnapping, gunrunning, drugrunning, arson and the breaking of every other law of man or God are not only condoned by Islam, but ENCOURAGED as a method of spreading Islam, what do they expect the end result to be???? No different than the Nazi's.

shrug

37 posted on 11/07/2006 3:01:31 PM PST by HeartlandOfAmerica (The Democrat Party: Best friends of America's WORST enemies!)
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To: Eurotwit

Ah, the holy Muslim men who respect their women so much!


38 posted on 11/07/2006 3:06:52 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Eurotwit

Happy Eid! This has the makings of an episode of South Park.


39 posted on 11/07/2006 3:15:43 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: Eurotwit
I wouldn't overlook the role of rap music in this type of stuff. When I was in Morocco and Tunisia a few years ago, I couldn't believe how popular rap was. Combined with some good 'ole Islamic hatred, you've got a volatile mix.

This kind of reminds me of that episode of "wilding" in Central Park not too long ago.

40 posted on 11/07/2006 3:43:44 PM PST by badbass
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To: Eurotwit
Sounds like the cats no longer care whether the meat is wrapped or not. Just proves the wrapping was never meant to be a deterrent to cats.
41 posted on 11/07/2006 4:44:16 PM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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