Posted on 11/07/2006 9:21:54 PM PST by Tim Long
South Dakotans rejected Tuesday a toughest-in-the-nation law that would have banned virtually all abortions, even in cases of rape and incest. The outcome was a blow to conservatives, although they prevailed in four other states where voters approved constitutional amendments to ban gay marriage. Among them was Wisconsin, where gay-rights activists had nursed hopes of engineering the first defeat of such a ban.
Five states passed increases in their minimum wage, while Arizona passed four measures targeting illegal immigrants, including one making English the state's official language.
Nationwide, a total of 205 measures were on the ballots in 37 states, but none had riveted political activists across the country like the South Dakota abortion measure. Passed overwhelmingly by the legislature earlier this year, it would have allowed abortions only to save a pregnant woman's life.
Had the ban been upheld, abortion-rights supporters would likely have launched a legal challenge that could have led all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court.
Is it certain? I'm so disappointed.
Next time the morons ought to provide exceptions for rape and incest. Unfortunately, there are some idiots on the anti-abortion side who are more content with getting none of what they wanted than in getting 75% of what they wanted.
This amendment was unrealistic; stupid in fact.
Leaving out a provision in a case of rape or danger to the mother was bill suicide. It would have passed otherwise. Someone wasn't doing their homework and wanted to grab everything. Instead of getting most of what they wanted, they got none of what they wanted.
I wonder how many of these VOTER-APPROVED pieces of legislation get thrown out by activist judges?
even in case of rape or incest? it deserved to go down
We have to learn from the socialists. Change must come gradually. We have to start small and work our way up once our ideas start to take root. We also need to do a better job explaining our positions rationally. The leftists don't, they just appeal to emotions, which is satisfying to most people until logic kicks in.
A sharp drop off a cliff is more like it.
"Next time the morons ought to provide exceptions for rape and incest. Unfortunately, there are some idiots on the anti-abortion side who are more content with getting none of what they wanted than in getting 75% of what they wanted."
Exactly. I was excited about this initiative way back until I realized it would die since it didn't have those exceptions. I still can't believe the people who wrote that initiative could be so stupid.
Now maybe liberals will stop beating us over the head and scaring women that Republicans will outlaw abortion. If we can't get it outlawed in South Dakota, it ain't happening anywhere.
Ed Zachery....
"If we can't get it outlawed in South Dakota, it ain't happening anywhere."
It got a lot of support. If they would have put in the exceptions it would have easily passed.
The pro-abortion people were afraid of a court case (they might lose) so they challenged the law by referendum instead and won it there.
It looks like we also won an affirmative action ban in Michigan, and I heard we were winning Amendment 2 in Missouri.
I don't know. People have been talking about the "gradual approach" for a long time. Shouldn't we be seeing some gradual progress? Abortion in this country is still exactly the way the abortionists want it.
"....while Arizona passed four measures targeting illegal immigrants, including one making English the state's official language."
Ouch. Guess the U.S. supreme court allowing Arizona to verify who people say they are by requiring photo ID really hurt the illegal alien turnout.
Maybe if Walmart starts doing abortions, the Dem House will stop bashing them. It might be a good defensive strategy on their part.
I kinda inspect that because this abortion law don't allow NO Exceptions at all
SO I am not suprise it was reject but yes Country going to the left
Do you know what the break-down of votes was by any chance?
My sense was they were sending up a trial balloon. Now at least they know what is not going to work.
It's like 45% - 55% now.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/ballot.measures/
So children who have criminal parents should
be killed for their parents crime?
There is no reasons what so ever to kill a baby (in the womb or otherwise). 70% this, 37% that, 200%, I don’t give a damm … death is death ,unborn or otherwise …
I get it; the baby was at fault for incest, rape … so kill the baby … So, make abortion the law of the land.
I say that abortion should be aborted.
Accept for the possible physical death of the mother, there is no reason for abortion.
With all the above, I find extreme acceptation to your “idiots on the anti-abortion side” argument.
NO. Believe this - legal abortion is TOAST. THREE public acknowledged prolifers (Ford talked it and is moving that way, but is still far from it) Shuler and Casey much closer. IMPOSSIBLE and unthinkable 10 years ago for the DNC to back them.
The abortion lobby hold on the Dems is cracking and we're seeing the water not just trickling, but pouring through.
The next cycle, even more Prolife Dems will get in. The dam is going to break and the pro life wash will wash the country. Believe It!
Learn compromise. Either get most of what you want, which could have happened in SD, or get nothing, which happened in SD.
"Perfect is the enemy of the good."
When it comes to life, I don’t compromise!
Also no exception for the health of the mother - unless she was going to die.
Right. Aborting a baby conceived by rape or incest is the only crime I can think of where the only totally innocent party is the only one involved in the tragic situation who is executed. I say the only totally innocent party because the rape victim is no longer innocent if she wants to or agrees to allow the murder of her totally innocent child.
There is no excuse for murdering an unborn baby when there are millions of eager would-be parents waiting to adopt a baby. My niece and her husband finally gave up hope of adopting an American baby and went to China to adopt over there. I wonder how many unborn babies were needlessly killed in their own city during the time they waited on several long lists of couples seeking to adopt an unwanted baby.
If this suggestion of personhood is established, the appellant's case, of course, collapses, [410 U.S. 113, 157] for the fetus' right to life would then be guaranteed specifically by the Amendment. The appellant conceded as much on reargument. 51 On the other hand, the appellee conceded on reargument 52 that no case could be cited that holds that a fetus is a person within the meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment.
source:U.S. Supreme Court, ROE v. WADE, 410 U.S. 113 (1973) Section IX Paragraph A
If the fetus is a "person", to which anyone with a modicum of common sense who doesn't believe in "poof!" magic would assent, then he must be protected by the law. Regardless of the circumstances surrounding his conception. Otherwise --- why have ANY protection? It's either a person or it is not. There is no middle ground - because of the Roe decision and its wording.
I really don't see any reason to continue at this point. The slaughter will continue. 48 Million will be become 49 Million, 50 Million, 51 Million. Are you comfortable with this? Are others Perfectly happy while little children are poisoned, dismembered, ripped hand and limb from their warm safe-haven for the apparently capital crime of mere existence? Flip it around: Would you be happy having this done to your sister or wife, knowing that she would face the brutal scar of regret for the rest of her days as she considers, not the spin, but the reality?
Too few seem to care, as long as they can sit on their fat a$$es in front of the boob tube and let their critical thinking skill atrophy as they are spoonfed ther new identites. I really don't know what to make of this nation or her grim future at this point.
Apparently those who think that exceptions for rape and/or life of the mother know very little or nothing about both the medical and psychological aspects of abortion. Nor have they any idea of the actual medical procedure of an abortion.
When women--and men--finally get around to actually knowing the facts about abortion and of abortionists, they will not be so ready to make exceptions for any of it.
In this case it isn't the rhetoric of "politics being the art of the possible". It's the reality of the willful and hired murder of a living human being. There are no exceptions to this reality.
You having a constitutional right to life is "stupid, in fact."
And that is the only justifiable reason to abort a baby. And even then only if there is agreement among several competent physicians who are not involved in the abortion industry that carrying the baby to term will result in the death of the mother and any other type of delivery would also be fatal to the mother.
One innocent human life is as valuable as another, and those rare cases the mother is the only one who should decide which of the two will live and which one will die.
With the defeat of this amendment, I fear the great experiment that was America is toast. We don't care how many little people die, or how brutally they die, as long as they don't block our view of the TV.
Nope, and that's by design. Face it, we're done as a culture.
Also no exception for the health of the mother - unless she was going to die.
- And that is the only justifiable reason to abort a baby. And even then only if there is agreement among several competent physicians who are not involved in the abortion industry that carrying the baby to term will result in the death of the mother and any other type of delivery would also be fatal to the mother. -
You realize that there are situations where there isn't time to convene a panel of physicians? Like a ruptured ectopic pregnancy, for instance? Also, many situations are a matter of percentages. If the mother has certain heart abnormalities, she may have a very high risk of dying if she carries the pregnancy to term. By the time it becomes clear that she will be one of those unfortunates, it may be too late.
Garbage. No fair minded person can deny that abortion is wrong but to deny these exceptions is unconscionable and an invitation to be slapped down.
The gay rights lobby, in trying to jam the marriage issue down our throats are like those pushing this amendment - they will eventually reap the negative political consequences of their radicalism.
READ the Roe decision, Section IX Paragraph A. It either is a person, or is not. There is no bifurcation over the circumstances around conception for concenience, no incremental steps,etc. The ban was very carefully crafted to survive in the Supreme Court.
South Dakotans were bought and paid for by Planned Parenthood. They voted to continue a holocaust that will take more lives each day than soldiers that have died in Iraq. No one seems to care - as long as it's not OUR lives at stake I suppose it's fine to sit and pontificate about this exception or that - as long as WE'RE safe.
People are naturally repulsed of the idea of themselves or their daughters, sisters, wives being forced to carry the child of a rapist- it is going to take education and changing of hearts outside the political process to change that. A ban with the exception might have facilitated a further ban down the road- too bad the advocates of the ban got greedy.
People ought to be repulsed by their wives, daughters, sisters, being forced by social consensus to commit an act of brutality against their own flesh and blood that renders all other violence in the world trivial by comparison. The fact that we're not repulsed by this I fear speaks more to the future of America than does anything else.
And dismember the rapists in the same way the unborn would have been dismembered. That is a MUCH MORE LOGICAL outworking of justice than doing same to the hapless offspring. Brutal? Well, so is abortion. But at least this dismemeberment would be just.
Oh man it just gets worse. This has been a HORRIBLE NIGHT!
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
That is the America I love. Those principles are rejected when a group - esp. those most in need of protection and least able to defend themselves - is rejected.
The America whose founders produced the famous words Jefferson articulated so beautifully in our Declaration of Independence is different from the America of relativism, pleasure, entertainment, and free love that necessitates the practice of abortion which the founders, concerned for posterity, would have abhored.
I repeat: With the defeat of this amendment, I fear that the great experiment that was America is toast. I hope that my fears our unfounded, but all indications are we are clinging desperately to what was and never again shall be.
And the National Right to Life Committee, who is clearly interested in keeping abortion as an issue - a source of income - even if it means 48 million dead babies becoming 49 million, becoming 50 million. They don't care. No one does.
You guess wrongly.
There is no hope to save the life of the child in the case of an ectopic pregnancy. Let's get real here. That is not the same as a willful choice to snuff out a human life for whatever reason fits the reason of the moment.
That's called utilitarianism and makes us into a lesser people.
"Abortion is a form of psychic self-destruction, and if practiced on a large scale will have the gravest consequences for any society which condones it .....to advise a woman to abort is to push her even deeper into isolation and provoke a depression which in our experience is malignant and incurable"
Dr. Conrad Baars, psychiatrist
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