Democrats versus Guns

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[CremeSaver]

I think that the dems will remain very quiet for the next two years. They are not going to tackle anything controversial as they will not want to make any waves until they take back the White House. This is when Republicans must make an issue of the differences and not go along to get along. The middle runs this country and the middle doesn't like a mess. :O(

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"When was the last time we saw any sort of gun-ban get repealed? "

The AWB was not repealed (a sunset provision is NOT the same thing) and Bush stated he'd sign a new one.

[Hydroshock]

If the republicans want to have any shot at retaking the congress and holding the Whitehouse in 2008 they will not.

[SWAMPSNIPER]

Don't trust anyone on either side to support RKBA on principle, there are "Freepers" in our midst who would sell us out in a New York heartbeat!
There are also far too many "Republican Leaders" who view RKBA as just another sop, to be doled out in exchange for our votes. If they believe they no longer need us, they are just as dangerous as the liberals.

[Concho]

You got it. If they come to get your guns, give them all the ammo first.

[P-40]

And Bush won't veto a thing.

I've heard he has been making inquiries into just what a veto pen is and where it is kept. :)

[TheBattman]

So you are planning to take a stand when the authorities come-a-knockin? Are we going to have to add your name to the martyrs for the 2nd amendment? I would have believed Americans had the guts, but yesterday's election has raised serious doubts. I know a lot of people who talk a big talk, but I'm not so sure most of them are willing to "walk-the-walk".

[cowboyway]

RUSSERT:...."Jon Tester ... is a genuine, big old farm boy. He opposes gay marriage, supports the death penalty, says Hillary Clinton `doesn't do much for me,' loves guns, hates illegal immigrants, and is the Democratic candidate for Montana's contested U.S. Senate seat." Now, if you're nationalizing the race, is that candidate on board with the national Democratic platform?

SCHUMER:....On certain issues, of course the Democratic Party is a big tent.

RUSSERT:....On guns?

SCHUMER:....Guns, we're not united. Jon Tester's view and my view are worlds apart.

[Dead Corpse]

So you are planning to take a stand when the authorities come-a-knockin?

Well, that's stupid. So is talking about SHTF plans on the open internet on a webforum who's Founder/Owner has repeatedly stated he doesn't want such conversations here.

[Centurion2000]

Are you a gun owner? If so, the ascension of Nancy Pelosi to Speakerette of the House, and the probable capture of the Senate by the Democrats, bodes ill. To paraphrase an old song....They're coming to take'em away..ha-ha...they're coming to take 'em away......!

If they want CWII ... they can try.

[Atlas Sneezed]

I would love to see a grass-roots "Million veto pen" campaign to mail pens to Bush. Sure, it would inconvenience the security aspect of the mail room, but he might use the pens to get a spine.

[MamaTexan]

if all you can manage is insulting rhetoric, I'll just take that as your admission that you're wrong.

ROFLMAO! Wrong...about what?

The Dems won the House and you're freaking out about losing the RKBA. That's what the words you've posted say, anyway.

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What good are your "rights" when the cops show up at your front door with their guns, determined to take yours?

You don't wait for it to happen, you plan as if it is GOING to happen.

Hide the better firearms and keep a few out to relinquish to the cops. Once they confiscate the firearms, take them to court and sue them for deprivation of rights under color of law..... Title 18, Section 242 of the US Code.

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I'd much rather prevent that situation than actually deal with it.

As would I. The fact is, however, we have no control of our elected reps once their elected. We can call, write, and harass them, but we cannot control their votes.

They, in turn, cannot prevent the People from defending themselves....period.

Anyone who doesn't realize that is a fool.

[P-40]

"Million veto pen" campaign

I'm running that idea by some people now. I did the same about a year ago but they were not interested then. Now may be different.

[ArrogantBustard]

you're freaking out

Strike two.

take them to court and sue them for deprivation of rights under color of law.

Please ... tell me you're kidding. Tell me you don't seriously believe that would accomplish anything.

They, in turn, cannot prevent the People from defending themselves....period.

Tell that to David Koresh.

[MamaTexan]

Strike two.

You reply like a DUmmie. I'm not swinging, but you're still counting strikes.

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Please ... tell me you're kidding. Tell me you don't seriously believe that would accomplish anything.

It's called the legal system. You know, the platform of the uphold the law party. It would get you your firearms back, a chunk of change in your pocket, and expose an anti-RKBA 'law' for the fraud that it is. In layman's terms, it would set a precedent.

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Tell that to David Koresh.

Koresh was set up, but he still had the option to surrender. He made his choice.

I lack the authority to second-guess his decision.

[ArrogantBustard]

Every post of yours to me has included a gratuitous insult. You'd be smart to abandon that approach to discussion. It just makes you look foolish.

It's called the legal system.

Yeah, I just have loads of confidence in it. It's composed primarily of judges who think the Law and the Constitution mean whatever they want it to mean, and will search under every penumbra and examine every emmanation necessary to justify their agenda. Good luck with that. I'd love to see a clear, proper SCOTUS decision on the II Amendment ... but as far as I can tell, it's a crapshoot.

but he still had the option to surrender.

I don't think the BATF and FBI really wanted him to.

[MamaTexan]

Every post of yours to me has included a gratuitous insult. You'd be smart to abandon that approach to discussion. It just makes you look foolish.

Yawn

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It's composed primarily of judges who think the Law and the Constitution mean whatever they want it to mean, and will search under every penumbra and examine every emmanation necessary to justify their agenda.

All which can be stopped by one person with a clear understanding of the law.

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I don't think the BATF and FBI really wanted him to.

What they thought was immaterial. It was his actions that determined the outcome.

Good day

[ConservativeTexas]

The 2nd Amendment is not dependent on who is in "power" in the U.S. Conservatives cannot allow themselves to be swayed on this issue. We must frame our arguments in such a way as to demonstrate that we know inalienable rights are just that - inalieanable. As Blackstone said, "Absolute rights [aka inalienable rights] are abosolute by the fact that they are what they are and will never change."

[Eastbound]

"Once they confiscate the firearms, take them to court and sue them for deprivation of rights under color of law..... Title 18, Section 242 of the US Code."

That's a good plan. Rights have to be claimed in court by the individual when they are violated, 'For the claim of the people with the knowledge is for the keeping and for the bearing of the arma.'

[MamaTexan]

Rights have to be claimed in court by the individual when they are violated

True. Not to mention that since the court have found that the police have no legal obligation to protect us, they cannot therefore possess the legal authority to prevent us from protecting ourselves.

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"A popular Government, without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy; or, perhaps both. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance: And a people who mean to be their own Governors, must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives."
James Madison to W. T. Barry August 4, 1822